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Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 8 months 1 week ago (Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:18 pm)

The holocaust myth greatly effects the present day. With the unrest, we're hearing about Antifa, a moniker for 'anti fascism', which references World War II and Nazi Germany, which is defined by the holocaust.

We hear a lot about racism which is intertwined with Nazism (which is defined by the holocaust.)

Black bloc has a building block, a cornerstone, in it's thought: the holocaust.

What seems like a black/white issue with USA unrest, is actually a black, white, Jewish issue, with the Jewish controlled media, aka Fake News, promoting the unrest, promoting a new anti-white ideology coming out of the riots/looting/protests. The media leaders of course are almost all Jewish, but if you look at some of the radical street leaders of this, they're Jewish too. They're ideology framework goes back to World War II (in other words, the holocaust.) Example: a lot of unrest is in Atlanta Georgia, and Project Veritas shows a video of "Tee Stern" who I'd be positive is Jewish, head of the Atlanta chapter of RefuseFascism, strategizing in an intelligent way.

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/ref ... ved-money/
(see video halfway down.)

As European Americans, or Europeans, our Achilles heal is guilt. Outsiders who study us can see that. What other culture has a religion based on the level of guilt that Christianity has? None. What is the holocaust myth all about? Guilt. The holocaust myth and how it informs how we think of racism and fascism is going to, in the long term, guilt us out of existence, with our own well-meaning liberal white people flagellating the process.

If the holocaust myth doesn't break, the next 100 or so years is just going to be about our slow dismantling, based on the Left doing the right thing as informed by history, namely the holocaust myth.

There are historical cases of peoples just fading out, without much commentary at all. Republican Rome had Patrician and Plebeian classes of people, with patricians in power. Some hundreds of years later, the Patricians didn't exist anymore. Faded away.
In the 500's the Germanic tribe, the Goths, ruled Italy and Rome, some hundreds of years later, they faded away. If the holocaust myth doesn't break, we're just going to slowly fade away. Not even that slowly. We're halfway there already.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby EtienneSC » 8 months 1 week ago (Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:54 pm)

This is certainly part of the story. At the moment in the Anglosphere though, we are hearing much more about Atlantic slavery and the British Empire.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 1 week ago (Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:40 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:What seems like a black/white issue with USA unrest, is actually a black, white, Jewish issue, with the Jewish controlled media, aka Fake News, promoting the unrest, promoting a new anti-white ideology coming out of the riots/looting/protests. The media leaders of course are almost all Jewish, but if you look at some of the radical street leaders of this, they're Jewish too.

This strategy employed by racist/ethnocentric Jews was already exposed by Black Nationalists in the USA decades ago.

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It was the integrationists (such as marxist subversive Martin Luther King Jr) that were supported by the Jewish minority, and so they won out.

Not too long ago, a middle-aged Black guy with a huge criminal record (including pointing a gun at a pregnant woman's belly during a robbery, and multiple arrests for cocaine) died of a heart attack while having methamphetamine and fentanyl-laced heroin in his system. This man, George Floyd, also had a history of heart disease (including Sickle-cell) and 75-90% blockage in various arteries. But the media ignores these facts and claims that the guy was murdered by a police officer kneeling on his back/neck (as he was trained to do as a "non-lethal" hold). But he didn't die of being choked to death, he died of a heart attack. Police can't give you a heart attack. On top of this, he was infected with COVID-19.
The police officer has been charged with manslaughter and will go to trial, but still looting and rioting and destruction of private property has happened in multiple cities as a result.

Just the other day, another Black guy died, but he was shot by the police. Why? Because he stole a police officer's taser, physically assaulted at least one officer, pointed a gun-shaped device at him (probably the taser, but regardless) and tried to flee... Who knows what kind of danger he could have risked to other people's lives? The mainstream media lied and said this man was unarmed and was shot by police solely for sleeping in a car in the parking lot of a Wendy's (fast food, drive-through restaurant). As a result, various Blacks committed arson and destroyed the Wendy's, this was after Wendy's pledged to pay $500,000 for Black-only scholarships.

I am sure the first trial will be televised publicly just like the Trayvon Martin trial, and if the police officer is acquitted there will be more rioting and looting. I think this sort of nonsense wakes up a lot of White people to the absolutely absurd nature of the controlled US media.
Generally, the most "Racist" Whites are the ones who interact with other races (usually the lower median IQ ones) the most. So I think Whites will survive for a long time, but if nothing changes they will remain a small minority in Third World countries that their ancestors built.

I mean really, the USA has about 200 million [non-Hispanic] White people. I guess Jews, North Africans and Middle Easterners are counted here, but even if you halve it, 100 million (which I think is a great underestimation) that's still very far from dying out. There are multiple European countries with fewer than 10 million people and nobody says they are dying out.
The US population exploded from about 200 million to over 300 million in a relatively short time frame, mostly due to mass immigration.
Flooding your living spaces with other populations isn't the same as dying out.


Putin has also compared the current situation in the USA with the USSR collapse:
http://archive.fo/ThLYC or http://web.archive.org/web/202006150030 ... tates.html
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby borjastick » 8 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:25 am)

Dear Mr Supreme, I totally agree with your thoughts. The current Black Lives Matter and of course as you say the holocaust are designed and very effective in making us whites feel guilty. No one mentions the second world war without at least a flash of the word 'holocaust' crossing their mind and then a subconscious feeling of what did we do or those poor old jews.

In Europe the European Union is behind all this. The Great replacement or Kalergi Plan or something similar is in full swing. This is all about removing whites from power and influence and is done by guilt tripping us about the non white countries around the European basin who have consistently behaved badly and improved their lot not one jot in the past 100 years or so. The regular saying we hear in UK is how immigration has made us a much better country. The clear inference is that we were a horrid bunch before the war and thus after the war with mass immigration things are much better. They are not.

The shadow of the holocaust lies behind all of this in my view.
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby stinky » 8 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:38 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:
What seems like a black/white issue with USA unrest, is actually a black, white, Jewish issue, with the Jewish controlled media, aka Fake News, promoting the unrest, promoting a new anti-white ideology coming out of the riots/looting/protests. The media leaders of course are almost all Jewish, but if you look at some of the radical street leaders of this, they're Jewish too.


Surprise, surprise!

As was pointed out by Jo Atwill in a recent ‘Power’s & Principalities’ podcast, BLM has a rather curious relationship with the ‘globo-homo’ agenda.
There is a convincing argument to be made that it is part of, or at least compliments, this agenda;

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/tkel ... 5_08-07_00

And, gee.
Which crowd is pushing the globo-homo shtick?


To quote from the BLM webpage, under the title ‘What We Believe’, amongst less contrived, broad statements, we find the following;

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).


WTF does ‘cisgender privilege’, 'gender identity/expression’, ‘transgender’, ‘sexism’, ‘misogyny’, disrupting ‘Western-prescribed nuclear family structure’, mothers (no mention of fathers) ‘queer-affirming’, 'heteronormative thinking’ got to do with what is largely being promoted (and framed) as a campaign instigated by disproportional police brutality toward blacks?


Once unpacking ‘What We Believe’ what becomes obvious is the BLM is just another controlled, astro-turf organisation, that fits neatly into the broader elite driven ‘globo-homo’ campaign, designed to dismantle nations, society, culture, history the nuclear family & turn people into a homogenous, debased, de-racinated, clueless, rootless, soul-less, sexualised, gender-confused, irrational, emotion driven, consumer zombie - to the benefit of the crowd with the small hats.


Regarding BLM's funding, under the heading ‘What We Believe’ we find the following;
The Black Lives Matter Global Network is as powerful as it is because of our membership, our partners, our supporters, our staff, and you.


Here is the list of organisations listed as ‘Partners’ on BLM's website;

Black Alliance for Just Immigration
Color Of Change
The Movement for Black Lives
NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc
UndocuBlack Network

A cursory look at the brief of BLM’s listed ‘Partners’ indicates what appears to be another layer of astroturf organisations, used to obfuscate the filtering of money & resources.
These are conduits to implement an agenda via the illusion of interlinked, community/people-driven, grass-roots movement(s) which are merely additional layers of the controlled opposition.

It would be helpful to understanding the Black Lives Matter Global Network if it published a full list of it’s institutional & corporate ‘partners' & ‘supporters’, of which it has many.

On BLM's webpage ‘News’ section, on June 11 we read;
Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLM Global Network Foundation), a US nonprofit global organization active in the US, UK, and Canada is grateful for the generosity and support of donors and is pleased to announce a $6.5 million fund to support grassroots organizing work. This fund is available to all chapters affiliated with the BLM Global Network Foundation. Starting July 1, 2020, affiliated chapters may apply for unrestricted grant funding of up to $500,000 in multi-year grants.


Rather than a spontaneous, down-trodden, voice-less group, running on a shoe-string budget, BLM is very well funded & promoted.

While BLM ‘believes’ in eradicating ‘white supremacy’, it enjoys the support & sizeable donations from a multitude of large (dare I say it, predominantly “white”) corporations.
Despite the enthusiasm of large corporations to loudly & prominently virtue signal, I found it difficult to locate a list of corporate BLM sponsors in a single location. I found nothing on the BLM website, and under other circumstances, such an acknowledgement is demanded by “sponsors”. Unless of course, there is a desire to minimise, not completely hide (as individual sponsors may widely promote it on their own platforms) funding.

Doing a quick search, I found a short list of corporate sponsors, who have contributed sizeable sums to the galaxy of affiliated groups.
I’m sure my list would be substantially longer had I taken the time to individually consult the official social media accounts of other prominent global corporates.

H&M donated $500,000 to the BLM partner’s NAACP & Color of Change.
Nike & Jordan donated $40million to “support the black community”.
Etsy, art & craft ecommerce site announced on Instagram that donations of $500,000 (£396,000) will be made to the Equal Justice Initiative and $500,000 to Borealis Philanthropy’s Black-Led Movement Fund.
Amazon The ecommerce giant said it would donate $10 million (£7.9 million) to several organizations, including the ACLU Foundation, the NAACP, the Equal Justice Initiative, the Brennan Center for Justice, the National Museum of African American History and Culture, and the National Urban League.
Airbnb tweeted on June 1 that it will be giving a total of $500,000 to the NAACP and Black Lives Matter
Apple CEO Tim Cook, in a note to employees said he had donated to organizations including the Equal Justice Initiative, The New York Post reported. However, it is unclear how much money Apple has donated.
Coca-Cola released a statement on Twitter on June 3, announcing that it would be donating to 100 Black Men “as a part of the effort to end systemic racism and bring true equality to all.” The statement did not include how much money the company plans to donate.
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg wrote in a Facebook post on Sunday that his company would be donating $10 million “to groups working on racial justice.” He said the company is “working with our civil rights advisors and our employees to identify organizations locally and nationally that could most effectively use this right now.”
Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi announced on May 31 that the company plans to give $1 million to the Equal Justice Initiative and the Center for Policing Equity.
YouTube announced in a tweet last week that it would be giving $1 million to the Center for Policing Equity.

White supremacy at work!


As for any acknowledgement by BLM of the broader problem of disproportional, violent deaths of blacks, at the hands of blacks, where whitey isn’t in the frame, anywhere?
Or the disproportional levels of violent crime committed by blacks?
Blame slavery, racism, video games, rap music, poverty, transphobia, sexism, the ‘Western-prescribed nuclear family structure’, 'cisgender privilege', 'heteronormative thinking'….Fuck it. Blame whitey.
Which is to concede that black’s have NO agency.

Buried amongst a wall of globo-homo rich gibberish, largely outlining BLM's stated support for black, transgender, disabled, queer, undocumented people, again under the ‘What We Believe’ heading, we find this;
We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.


Black, transgender, black, queer, black, disabled, black, undocumented, black this, black that, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, BLACK LIVES MATTER.........and by extension all people.

Such a sincere & powerful disclaimer (and by extension all people) serves as BLM's impenetrable shied to defend against any possible accusations that they themselves are supremacist!

Now get down on your knees & renounce your white privilege while we burn & loot the city with impunity in the name of equality & justice.

#B LGBQTI LM
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 8 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:25 pm)

Hi Stinky, pretty much agreed with everything you said. I didn't know a lot of that.

Lamprecht wrote
Flooding your living spaces with other populations isn't the same as dying out.
It is if the immigration has the effect of lowering the white birth rate, and immigration does have that effect. Denser population makes real estate go up, harder to buy a house and create an environment where you can have kids. And if those immigrants are more fecund, and they are, it does over the long term become the same as dying out. Or The Great Replacement. What we're seeing is the immigrant population becoming hostile to white people, which collectively becomes political hostility, which diminishes white birthrate.

We've grown up with the mantra beat into our head that stereotypes are wrong, but now there is this new term, a "Karen" that is a white woman stereotype. Officially acknowledged in an article by Eric Ting in the San Francisco Chronicle. So white ethno names and stereotypes are becoming o.k. In this case by a Filipino home owner freely uses the new white derogatory term "Karen."
https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspick ... 338311.php

But the way this all relates to the holocaust myth, is every move whites make for their own interest is seen as Nazi. If we try to boost the American white abysmal birthrate, that would be Nazi or fascist. Trying to stop immigration is tied by the media to the holocaust.

It's hard to see but even the word 'nazi' or 'fascist' is almost like bringing up the holocaust because they are so connected.

And where holocaust denial is arguably fading out in some ways, the holocaust is not. It seemed to me that the commemoration of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was as big or bigger than the 100 year commemoration of World War I, or the 75th anniversary commemoration of the end of World War II in Europe.

Here's how the holocaust myth is used to fight immigration reform: A 5.6 million view video by an alleged Auschwit survivor, put out by the Jewish owned or half Jewish owned Buzzfeed, about Henry Oster. I think the video requires a sign-in for some reason, but at 6:15 it says:
are we going to actually build a fence around our country and make a ghetto out of the United States? Are we going to have 11 million people sent out and make refugees? I just can't accept that America goes the way of Germany at one time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7q04r5iW4

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:13 pm)

This is very similar to the topic here that I made:

Is the "Holocaust" story primarily why white leftists view their own race negatively?
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Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:It is if the immigration has the effect of lowering the white birth rate, and immigration does have that effect. Denser population makes real estate go up, harder to buy a house and create an environment where you can have kids. And if those immigrants are more fecund, and they are, it does over the long term become the same as dying out. Or The Great Replacement. What we're seeing is the immigrant population becoming hostile to white people, which collectively becomes political hostility, which diminishes white birthrate.

The USA as it is simply cannot last forever, I think there's a very good chance that within my lifetime the borders will change.

Also, yes, the White birthrate is lower on average. But it's those mentally insane Whites that kneel before Blacks over supposed invisible racisms that truly have the low birth rate.

Among Whites, Conservative-Liberal Fertility Difference Twice as Large as Democrat-Republican Difference
https://www.unz.com/anepigone/among-whi ... ve-libera/

The above link shows that the more conservative a White woman is, the higher her birth rate. And I suspect these conservative and ultra-conservative Whites are less likely to miscegenate than the leftists.

Low birth rate is the most self-correcting trait because it is always selected against, generation by generation.
In a racially homogeneous society where individuals are socially shamed into starting families (or even basically set up by their families or village elders or whatever), where monagamy is enforced and divorces are considered scandalous, these sorts of traits did not get selected against.

I am not saying that flooding a country with the Third World is a good thing, or even neutral. It's a terrible idea and is a recipe for disaster.
Jews often complain about high intermarriage rates, they have compared it to "another Holocaust" - I recently quoted an article about this in the thread regarding Jewish census figures. But still, Jews will not die out from miscegenation because there are Ultra-Orthodox sects of Jews with ridiculously high birth rates.

Although women seem to be a bit more leftist by nature than men, a lot of these traits are heritable. Heritability is basically the proportion of variance in a trait between people that can be attributed to genetic differences. For example, IQ and height [for adults] are both about 70-80% heritable, meaning that only about 1/4 of the difference in these traits between randomly selected people from a population will be attributable to differences in shared and unshared environment.

The same can be said about political and ideological beliefs.
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I have hypothesized that the ethnocentrism we see among Jews, their ability to stick together and work as a tribe (while Whites work as individuals) is partly genetic. Indeed, their religion is essentially "Racist" by most standards, and a large number of Jews are atheist. Perhaps this is why the outbreeding rates are so high for American Jews. Regardless, over time, this trait (which is likely polygenic) will be selected against.

Most people need an in-group, and by default, that will be an ethnicity because that is how it has been for over 99% of human history. Until the neolithic, humans existed in small tribes of a few hundred people. I guess some people are very individualistic (and this is also genetic) but for those who need an in-group that includes people they have personally not met, very few things can replace race/ethnicity which is nothing more than a large, extended family. And that is religion:

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[…] Perhaps the most interesting environmental effect was that elements of the unique environment acting at the essentialist level exerted effects countervailing environmentally mediated religious favoritism, such that elevated levels of religious favoritism were associated with lowered levels of ethnic favoritism. This may reflect the influence of religious teachings, which may increase ethnic tolerance, or the possibility that religion became superordinate to coalitions based on ethnicity." https://web.archive.org/web/20190727024 ... 623-81.pdf

The "Holocaust" itself is basically a religion of sorts.

But the way this all relates to the holocaust myth, is every move whites make for their own interest is seen as Nazi.

In one thread I posted multiple studies showing that strong ethnic identity improves self-esteem, happiness, and general well being of adolescents. There were at least a half dozen studies all showing the same thing for various ethnic groups: Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.
But not one single study analyzed this in Whites.

I also noticed while researching a different subject, White Americans - despite doing better in school than virtually all other groups (with few exceptions like East Asians and a handful of immigrant elites which don't even make up 1% of the population) out of every ethnic race/ethnic group listed, including mixed-race and other, White adolescents dislike school the most.

I never liked school when I had to go. I was never bullied or attack or anything, it was just boring, a waste of time. After a certain level of literacy, you can really just teach yourself anything you want, at least things at the high school level.
I still managed to do so well that I had the highest standardized test scores out of a class of 450+, which got me nearly a full ride to the top university in my state. But I didn't enjoy being in school, it just felt like a huge waste of time, like daycare, and they were so obsessed with teaching us the joy of diversity and multiculturalism and the horrors of racism, slavery and the Holocaust.
"You must learn or history will repeat itself," they said. That is obviously the most absurd excuse ever, people know that killing people and slavery are bad, you don't have to rub it in their faces.

It was actually in high school when I started researching race differences in cognitive ability and somehow I found Holocaust revisionist material. In fact, I was still in high school when I made this CODOH account, just asking questions while debating on other websites.
I think generation Z, because they are growing up and attending high schools where they will be minorities, are going to be far more conservative than Millenials.

The Whites that do not think Whites becoming a minority is going to make their country a better place are far more likely to be the Whites that actually live in diversity. The leftist, egalitarian, diversity-loving Whites are more likely to live in >90% White areas.
In contrast, the Whites who have absorbed the message pushed by the controlled media and hate their own race have adopted a lethal ideology. The ones who have truly accepted this nonsense that is totally at odds with reality as good as dead already. They are mentally contaminated, hopeless, rootless, and nothing will ever change their minds.

If we try to boost the American white abysmal birthrate, that would be Nazi or fascist. Trying to stop immigration is tied by the media to the holocaust.

It's hard to see but even the word 'nazi' or 'fascist' is almost like bringing up the holocaust because they are so connected.

And where holocaust denial is arguably fading out in some ways, the holocaust is not.

Sooner or later the word "Racist" and "nazi" will lose all of its power since everything is called "racist" and "nazi" now. Even the dumbest White person would know that they wouldn't be constantly called "racist" for no good reason if they were in an ethnically homogeneous society.

Unfortunately, Whites are too comfortable right now. They won't do anything so long as Trump or some other Republican is in office. And even then, if they can buy shiny new cars, remodel their houses, and go on expensive summer vacations: they still probably won't do much.
It might require a complete economic collapse of the US dollar.
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby stinky » 8 months 1 week ago (Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:54 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:Hi Stinky, pretty much agreed with everything you said. I didn't know a lot of that.

I hope you & other readers found it useful.
I have been well informed by yourself & contributions from Lamprecht & others here at CODOH. I feel compelled to at least occasionally contribute something more substantive than an infrequent sarcastic quip.

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:But the way this all relates to the holocaust myth, is every move whites make for their own interest is seen as Nazi. If we try to boost the American white abysmal birthrate, that would be Nazi or fascist. Trying to stop immigration is tied by the media to the holocaust.

Everything that (((they))) don't agree with is deemed 'Nazi' or 'facist'.
What is most grating is the fact that they promote the same things exclusively for their own tribe.
As E. Michael Jones likes to say about the glaring double standards applied by the usual suspects, "This is intolerable!".

Lamprecht wrote:I never liked school when I had to go. I was never bullied or attack or anything, it was just boring, a waste of time. After a certain level of literacy, you can really just teach yourself anything you want, at least things at the high school level.
I still managed to do so well that I had the highest standardized test scores out of a class of 450+, which got me nearly a full ride to the top university in my state. But I didn't enjoy being in school, it just felt like a huge waste of time, like daycare, and they were so obsessed with teaching us the joy of diversity and multiculturalism and the horrors of racism, slavery and the Holocaust.

This explains why your contributions are several levels above my pay grade.

Lamprecht wrote:In one thread I posted multiple studies showing that strong ethnic identity improves self-esteem, happiness, and general well being of adolescents. There were at least a half dozen studies all showing the same thing for various ethnic groups: Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.
But not one single study analyzed this in Whites.

If a (any) study demonstrated similar analysis for whites, it would be spun in a manner something like; strong ethnic identity contributes to heightened self-esteem, happiness & general well-being amongst whites, however it is also the precursor to white's irrational 'Nazi' / 'racist' tendencies, and is basically the reason for the holocaust. Therefore, in order mitigate these 'Nazi' like symptoms & to circumvent the next holocaust, a strong ethnic identity amongst whites must be stamped out, for the good of (((society)))

Lamprecht wrote:Sooner or later the word "Racist" and "nazi" will lose all of its power since everything is called "racist" and "nazi" now. Even the dumbest White person would know that they wouldn't be constantly called "racist" for no good reason if they were in an ethnically homogeneous society.
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This may be true, but it is a long road.
It can be argued that labeling someone "anti-semitic" has lost some of it's impact, but it is still enough to have you cast out of 'polite' society.

The high frequency of labels like "Nazi" or "racist" is expertly conveyed in a satirical way by C.J Hopkins, who makes contributions at UNZ.
The guy makes me LOL
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 1 week ago (Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:10 am)

stinky wrote:This explains why your contributions are several levels above my pay grade.

To be fair, when a substantial % of your school doesn't have English as a first language and speaks/reads it at a level of someone 5 years younger than a native speaker, it's not very difficult to outperform them. If I went to an all-White school I'm sure I wouldn't have been so above the average. You wouldn't necessarily notice that Whites were such a minority in the school if you're only in the honors classes. But I have been researching the subject for over a decade (with breaks, like when I was at university).

I went to two high schools, one a mixture of a high school and an adult education center. You had to pass a ridiculously easy test to get in (the TABE - test of adult basic education). It had 4 classes per semester, then another 4 the next. That was 1.5 hours per class and after the first year you get 2 classes each semester in your "technical class" - the choices were programming, cooking, auto-repair, computer-repair/networking, nursing, and a few others.
I don't know about the other ones, but I was in programming class for 3 hours a day. The teacher wasn't very bright and the class had adults as well who paid to be there, so the students were ignored for over 90% of the time. I figured out how to bypass the internet blocks so I could go on any website I wanted. The assignments were easy enough that I could complete them in 10-15 minutes, so I had nearly 3 hours of "do whatever you want on the computer" time 5 days a week, in high school. :D
It was a joke of a school. The "Honors" classes were in the same classes as everyone else and all you had was an extra project at the end of the semester. And the 1.5 hour classes are an especially nonsensical idea since a lot of subjects, like math, you can't really teach twice as much new information to people in one day, so really it was just slowed down and we had extra free time.

We had a class called "leadership" or something but it was a mix of common sense that there was no reason to teach and then a bunch of diversity/multiculturalism crap. This school was one town over so I had to wake up at 5am and ride the bus. As a teenager that sucks, especially since I'm a sort of night owl (runs in my family, all of my mom's brothers are the same way) so I decided to switch schools and go to the one that was just a mile away so I could ride my bike. That second school right near my house I went to anyway after the first one got out because they had no after-school sports.

The first school I can't find racial demographics for, but it was in the next town over which is 42% Hispanic (mostly Puerto Rican) and that's for all ages, if you go by age group the White % drops the younger you go. The high school I graduated from just under a decade ago right now has:
- Black: 6.2%
- Caucasian: 36.95%
- Mixed: 2.5%
- Asian: 1.8%
- American Indian or Alaskan: 0.4%
- Pacific Islander: 0.05%
- Hispanic or Latino of any race: 52.1%

So I think my estimate of 15-20% White [non-hispanic] is accurate. Keep in mind that the way US census figures work, virtually all mestizos are counted as "White/Caucasian" since "Hispanic" is a separate question altogether, so if a Mestizo just decided to not identify as Hispanic or Latino they are counted as "White/Caucasian" here.

Anyway, my point is that this sort of thing is very eye-opening to a lot of people. The county I grew up in is the only county in the contiguous USA that has Puerto Ricans as the most common ethnic group -- this is even more true for the city/town that my first high school was in compared to the one I switched over to. There are entire areas where if you go through a drive-through restaurant they will ask for your order in Spanish. And it's not just Puerto Ricans, there are other groups like Dominicans (mostly mestizos but with more Black ancestry, probably from sharing an island with Haiti). Steve Sailer has a lot of articles on Puerto Rican student test scores, they are absolutely horrific. For example:

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https://unz.com/isteve/uncovered-puerto ... sa-scores/

I think Generation-Z Whites are more racially conscious than Millenials, specifically the ones that go to racially diverse schools. Really, unless you're indoctrinated into some egalitarian religion (I consider the "Holocaust" and even communism to be a form of religion) you can't help but notice it.
The older generations, well, they're probably not going to change their minds. After a certain age, it takes a lot to radically change someone's beliefs; younger people are more open to new ideas. Supposedly, the brain continues developing up to the age of 25. And for Whites who manage to go to nice universities and get high paying jobs, they probably don't ever interact with double-digit IQ non-Whites outside of minimum wage workers.

I don't know how accurate this quote is (all sources seem to point to the ADL) but Bradley Smith, CODOH's founder, has been quoted as saying:

"I don't want to spend time with adults anymore. I want to go to students. They are superficial. They are empty vessels to be filled." (Bradley Smith, Oral presentation, 5 August 1987)

The communist subversives had the same strategy, but their goal was to destroy the target society: viewtopic.php?t=13209

And it is the winning strategy. Fortunately, young people are on the internet all the time.

There is a test that you can find online called "Implicit Association Test" (IAT) where the screen flashes pictures of White and Black faces as well as negative and positive words, and you're supposed to press a button on the keyboard depending on if it's a Black or White person's face or a positive or negative word, and then it measures reaction time and somehow calculates subconscious bias.
The test is here (along with others): https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/selectatest.html

You will notice in this map of average White IAT score by US state that the states where there are more Blacks, or rather where Whites interact with Blacks more often, the IAT score is higher:
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The promoters of the "Holocaust" are not stupid. They are masters of psychological manipulation and have gathered the means to manipulate the American public into their hands. They dominate the media, academia, and the government. "Holocaust denial" laws are not even necessary.
Some people will believe whatever they are told to believe by their perceived authority, only a minority of people are capable of thinking for themselves: if these people are told over and over "Race is just skin color" but then their personal experiences totally contradict this, they will lose trust in these institutions. If they start doing the research into the subject they will find a massive quantity of information, even published in peer-reviewed academic journals, showing that the "Politically correct" position is fraudulent. And then they will wonder "What else was I lied to about?"

Starting with Holocaust revisionism may not always be the best course of action, as it's impossible for someone to see with their own eyes that it didn't happen; they weren't even alive during WWII and weren't at the camps. Also, they have had Holocaust propaganda shoved into their faces, often before they were even teenagers. Seeing piles of bodies has a bigger psychological effect than just reading about it; that's precisely why they do it, and the younger they get to them, the better. And they repeat this "Holocaust" nonsense over and over, year after year, to make sure the people don't forget. The "Holocaust" is important but the truth of the matter is, White Americans had nothing to do with it and even for those that believe the standard narrative, they can't really blame White Americans for it.

A common argument is "If we don't teach young children about the Holocaust, history might repeat itself!"
But does this make any sense?
And why not show them the crimes committed by communists? Why not show the mass graves at Katyn and Vinnitsa? What about all of the starving Ukrainians in the Holodomor? How many US high school graduates know who Pol Pot was? How many of them are aware of the millions that died in China under the famines caused by the Chinese communists?
It might have been brushed over for a few days in history class, but nothing even close to the big H.
I have personally met White Americans (not very bright, but they did graduate from high school) that had no idea what "Communism" was or even who Stalin was. I'm sure if they were told year after year about the dangers of communism and the mass deaths it resulted in, they would remember those names.

Anyway, I've rambled enough.
The fact is: Most people who are comfortable just do not care enough to do the research and just want to be accepted by their peers, so they conform their beliefs and attitudes to what they perceive is popular and accepted. Trump, despite all of his many flaws, did do us a service by shifting the Overton window so that being against mass immigration is OK. His whole "Fake News" and "The media is the enemy of the American people" schtick is also a good thing. Even if he gets reelected, someone else will eventually become president and then he can go back to pre-president Trump and speak his mind without worrying about political correctness. Trump is a celebrity and actor and has charisma, just watch his debate with Hillary; Biden he will probably rip to shreds. Trump won't just disappear off the face of the earth when another president comes along, he will be critical of future presidents, and with a much louder voice than before he entered politics. And in the case that he loses the reelection, he will surely be very outspoken and belligerent. Conservative talk show hosts would love to have him on and people will listen to him. He certainly won't be ignored.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby attenuate » 8 months 1 week ago (Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:50 pm)

Part of the problem is that holocaust revisionism is conflated with ethno-nationalism until the two become inextricably linked in the public perception. The task of revisionism should simply be to set the historical record straight and that's what dilligent revisionists have been doing for so long now. However there are too many vested interests sustaining the Holocaust mythos, not least the Allied historical paradigm which will completely collapse when Nazi Germany is rehabilitated and all the historically tweaked propaganda we've been subjected to for the last seventy years is shown to be fraudulent.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Hektor » 8 months 1 week ago (Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:21 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:The holocaust myth greatly effects the present day. With the unrest, we're hearing about Antifa, a moniker for 'anti fascism', which references World War II and Nazi Germany, which is defined by the holocaust.

We hear a lot about racism which is intertwined with Nazism (which is defined by the holocaust.)

Black bloc has a building block, a cornerstone, in it's thought: the holocaust.

What seems like a black/white issue with USA unrest, is actually a black, white, Jewish issue, with the Jewish controlled media, aka Fake News, promoting the unrest, promoting a new anti-white ideology coming out of the riots/looting/protests. The media leaders of course are almost all Jewish, but if you look at some of the radical street leaders of this, they're Jewish too. They're ideology framework goes back to World War II (in other words, the holocaust.) Example: a lot of unrest is in Atlanta Georgia, and Project Veritas shows a video of "Tee Stern" who I'd be positive is Jewish, head of the Atlanta chapter of RefuseFascism, strategizing in an intelligent way......


For sure that's not in dispute. I defended this theory several times over the years. With partially vitriolic reactions, but not with any real refutation. Well, I used state of the Art sources from social psychology (Many by Jewish authors) and generally accessible sources to support my theory.

Regardless of what one believes about the factuality of the major Holocaust claims. It's all to obvious that what's now called the Holocaust has developed into a myth defining what policies Western Societies ought to have. While ordinary folks may not really care a lot about Hitler or the Holocaust, most organic and especially public intellectuals do or at least pretend that they do. That Adolf Hitler is a historical figure that tried to remove Jews from Germany's sphere of influence in Europe isn't in dispute. But over time he has been turned into some mythical deity, some kind of incarnation of evil and a lot of "documentary" videos bear actually witness to this fact.

The Holocaust function as some sort of replacement for Calvary, the passion of Christ (whose narrative is considered antisemitic now). Since the enlightenment period the cultural Christianity has been thoroughly deconstructed levelling Jesus to some kind of "good teacher" and nice guy, who's historicity has been doubted by many theologians as well. Satan suffered a similar fight and has been declared a figment of people's imagination. That left a rather empty pantheon within Western societies.... That pantheon was refilled and rearranged giving a para-divine status to Adolf Hitler as the deity of evil. Everything can be said about him as long as it isn't good and will be believed to some extent by most people. Saying something good would be considered sacrilege (by extension this counts for National Socialists, Germans.

White people in general as well) and those that dare will be excommunicated. Imagine what influence this has on the current narrative about the era and in what direction the bias will go. Nevertheless the Hitler and Nazi Myth got moral value. If Hitler said A the new morality demands that you've got to be against A (On that level it's an inversion of Christianity where the formula is Jesus said X, you ought to believe and strife for X). With no competitors in side this makes the mythologised Hitler the ultimate moral authority in Western societies. One can speculate what the consequences are. I don't think they'll be healthy. The Holocaust had it's apostle's, missionaries, martyrs, etc. spinning the narrative and image of World War Two and it's pre-history.

Media gave it extensive coverage and it's a non-negotiable part of the curriculum at almost all universities. It became a thought terminating cliche for humanities and the social science to more or lesser degree. Of course other ideologies flew into it as well like postmodernism and Neo-Marxism, but both don't have enough moral strength to capture human minds. Based on this the present ideology has been spun more and more into the direction that it reached now where anything associated with 'White people' is under general suspicion. Sure other issues are conflated into this, like e.g. Slavery and Colonialism, but the Holocaust is the prototype of it all. The rest just tries to emulate the techniques for constructing narratives. That deconstruction now reaches anything that upholds the institutions that let Western societies function. Which is why it's at a point where it's becoming unstable. Just chasing financial and with that material wealth and status won't uphold that for to long. And given that people don't seem to view that much worth of defending it will sooner or later collapse or be displaced piece by piece. Sure this matter is worth elaborating on.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby stinky » 8 months 1 week ago (Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:57 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:To be fair, when a substantial % of your school doesn't have English as a first language and speaks/reads it at a level of someone 5 years younger than a native speaker, it's not very difficult to outperform them. If I went to an all-White school I'm sure I wouldn't have been so above the average.

Ok, Lamprecht, you've been downgraded from 'several', to 'a few' levels above my pay grade. :wink:
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 8 months 1 week ago (Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:12 am)

I think the idea of the holocaust myth being used by the media, being used by capitalism, by the Jews, who persuade with media brown immigrants to be anti-white, or a combination blur of all this, the myth being used as a hammer to thwart every attempt white people make to survive in the long term, is a concept that is definitely outside the Overton window of the average person. But it's true, and truth is interesting in and of itself; and being within the Overton window hasn't really done much for us. You can be well inside the Overton window, as tepid as saying "I think different sides need to be looked at in reference to the holocaust." And you will get censored/deleted on social media, or you'll lose your job. I had a video on youtube once and all it said was the reasons I thought Yankel Wiernik at Treblinka was a fraud. It got deleted. So in this state, might as well just say the truth as you perceive it, all the way. Particularly since things are moving against us at a fast rate. The media is moving toward anti-white, with a sea change this summer. Here's an example article discussing taking down a bust of a white man Avery Brundage, for reasons informed by the holocaust myth
Brundage, who prominently supported the America First movement that opposed the U.S. entry into World War II, insisted that the United States not boycott the 1936 Olympics in Nazi Germany. At the 1968 Olympics, Brundage was outraged after Tommie Smith and John Carlos, two African American Olympic athletes, gave the black power salute at the medal ceremony. They were expelled.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Hektor » 8 months 4 days ago (Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:40 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:I think the idea of the holocaust myth being used by the media, being used by capitalism, by the Jews, who persuade with media brown immigrants to be anti-white, or a combination blur of all this, the myth being used as a hammer to thwart every attempt white people make to survive in the long term, is a concept that is definitely outside the Overton window of the average person. But it's true, and truth is interesting in and of itself; and being within the Overton window hasn't really done much for us. You can be well inside the Overton window, as tepid as saying "I think different sides need to be looked at in reference to the holocaust." .....

Actors use and can uses a theme and they do so in an organised manner. Ideologies (like capitalism) can't use, but people acting and then using in accordance with some ideology is possible and plausible. I'm sure you meant businesses and those working in them pull the Holocaust card from time to time, when it suits their agenda. Such actions are however not always consistent even from staunch supporters of an ideology. And analysis of how the Holocaust developed and was used by various actors during that time also would reveal that. National Socialism is blamed for being a dictatorship and imprisoning it's opponents. But this is overshadowed by "the Holocaust". The argument against Holocaust Revisionism is often the insinuation that "Holocaust Deniers" want to make "Nazism" a "viable option again". Apparently the Holocaust beats all other arguments. And if it wasn't for the Holocaust Everybody on Earth would become a National Socialists. I don't really buy that of course. There is a variety of political models and many of them seem to be feasible depending on the population one deals with is naturally a consideration. Even the National Socialists thought that all countries had to adopt their model and this makes it different from the Liberal Democracy and Marxism-Leninism. Being such a thought terminating cliche (dictating what your policy can or can not be today, because you can't do stuff that looks like the Holocaust perpetrators did), the Holocaust can certainly qualify as some Myth or religious narrative designed to "teach certain some morals".
But consider how this myth arose over the last decades.
How I see it the use and development of the Holocaust-Myth take place in the following manner?
1. Sensationalist atrocity propaganda was the predecessor of the Holocaust. It's use started early. And we have on good source as early as 1933:
https://archive.org/details/AllegedPers ... 1/mode/2up
Horace Rumbold was British Ambassador in Germany at the time. His report is far more balanced than the usual stuff one would read. And he seems to understand many of the nuances as well.
2. Dissemination of Atrocity rumours about the Axis, but especially Germans. (Reply may be they didn't say Germans, but Nazis - In the public mind this was however interchangeable.) This was done in press releases, media broadcasts but also distributed via other channels.
3. "Discovering" Extermination Camps. partially through psychological warfare units. Attached to this a media campaign.
4. Immediately afterwards were the Nuremberg Trials (IMT) and related mock and show trials. Again media campaign.
5. The UN and Israel were founded in 1948. Note the Founding documents of the UN especially the Declaration of Human Rights. Israel benefited mostly by having a founding Myth and being the main victim in WW2 was good at the negotiation table.
6. The 1950s were more relaxed on the issue, until it came to the Eichmann trials and also the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial again media coverage. The "Eichmann abduction" - I got my doubt that things really happened as claimed there. This "Adolf Eichmann" really was very cooperative with his accusers there. This seemed more like a TV show were atrocity stories could be brought onto record. Well, there is a lot of footage still available from this. Holocaust awareness must have worked wonders for the governments and population of Israel afa they were Jewish. The 1968 movement caught some fire in Germany it was also a "rebellion" of the postwar generation against the "Nazi" generation. This played also a big role in the circles of the Baader-Meinhof gang.
7. Until then the Holocaust wasn't really a well investigated affair. Wasn't it that the only people interested in Holocaust research seemed all have been Communists or at least were seen that way. And I think the atrocity narrative was indeed pushed hardly in the Eastern Block countries with a slant of blaming "the fascists in the West." - Possibly the affair wasn't touched on that much in the West, because of this association with Communism. The clout of the lobby must also have been smaller.
8. AFAIK what gave the Holocaust the breakthrough was airing the soap opera "Holocaust" in Germany. That was in the late 1970s. This was also accompanied by a media campaign and I guess this was also picked upon by people in academia. More movies followed, more education campaigns, more demands for money from Germany (While I think this was actually started by Adenauer).
9. There was also a Revisionist response in the 1980s. While there were always people calling the atrocity allegations into question this wasn't even a niche movement, which Revisionism became after the Zuendel Trial.
10. The Holocaust is still well established in terms of widely held belief. Their issue is now with "upholding memory" and "fighting deniers".

The big question is how the Holocaust was received in other departments of the social sciences except history. How it influenced thought about "moral questions" especially political morality. There may have been some interaction with other questions like "Colonialism and Slavery" which then touched upon the "Racism" debate. That word, btw. didn't really play a big role before 1950s. I think the first person to use it in a book title was Magnus Hirschfeld, a sexologist and homosexual activists of Jewish descent. An English translations seems to have been released in 1938. Even literature that dealt with ethnicity and prejudices didn't have the term in.

So far my 5 cent. I wonder what one can do to educate people about the role of the Holocaust in Western Thought. Who would be the target market for this? My take is that at 80% of people don't care or don't have the faculty to process that idea. My guess would be that the "intellectuals" would be most rejecting even to think about the Holocaust as a Myth - Which actually demonstrates the power of this thought determining cliche.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 8 months 4 days ago (Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:24 pm)

Hektor wrote:
Ideologies (like capitalism) can't use, but people acting and then using in accordance with some ideology is possible and plausible.


I think capitalism can have a mind of it's own, collectively working to expand capitalism, even if it involves the great replacement of white people. It does this via *conscientous capitalism united against hate.* meaning they want censorship and might fire you from a job if video or a tweet shows you even having a conversation with the wrong beliefs. And when that happens the holocaust is the ideology right there justifying it all. Example: Facebook pulled a Donald Trump campaign ad because if featured a red triangle, and that was connected to the concentration camps and Facebook has a policy against "organized hate." In short: Facebook censored the President of the United States based on symbols connected to the holocaust (myth.)
SOURCE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/faceb ... r-BB15FVtu

You can see all this with the North Face and REI getting on board with a boycott of Facebook in July because Facebook doesn't censor enough 'hate' with hate often being defined as white people trying to preserve their people and culture. The holocaust is always there by proxy via the ADL, or mentioning of anti-semitism, or mentioning Nazis, or 'racist.' All those terms are informed by the holocaust myth.
SOURCE: https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-face-j ... 36668.html


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