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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Hektor » 8 months 6 days ago (Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:07 pm)

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Ideologies (like capitalism) can't use, but people acting and then using in accordance with some ideology is possible and plausible.


I think capitalism can have a mind of it's own, collectively working to expand capitalism, even if it involves the great replacement of white people. It does this via *conscientous capitalism united against hate.* meaning they want censorship and might fire you from a job if video or a tweet shows you even having a conversation with the wrong beliefs. And when that happens the holocaust is the ideology right there justifying it all. Example: Facebook pulled a Donald Trump campaign ad because if featured a red triangle, and that was connected to the concentration camps and Facebook has a policy against "organized hate." In short: Facebook censored the President of the United States based on symbols connected to the holocaust (myth.)
SOURCE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/faceb ... r-BB15FVtu

You can see all this with the North Face and REI getting on board with a boycott of Facebook in July because Facebook doesn't censor enough 'hate' with hate often being defined as white people trying to preserve their people and culture. The holocaust is always there by proxy via the ADL, or mentioning of anti-semitism, or mentioning Nazis, or 'racist.' All those terms are informed by the holocaust myth.
SOURCE: https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-face-j ... 36668.html


I think you're more referring to the phenomenons of group think and ideological/cultural hegemony here. Marxists would call that class interest as well, although that is far more blunt (e.g. Bourgeoisie got an interest in property rights, low taxes, etc. - there is some indication that the top layer actually doesn't, but that's another analysis). Group think is more a social thing where people knowing and cooperating with each other think in a similar manner and hence are making decisions and doing things in a similar manner as well (they struggle to think outside the box then). Cultural hegemony is even far broader than that it's a kind of compulsion to 'view' things in a similar manner and to hence develop a mores in that line. This even get's hold of larger parts of society with developing shared or similar values and opinions on issues (with a smaller percentage actively dissenting ). While I consider all of this to be true phenomena and that this can lead to the appearance of people acting in a similar manner (hive mind), the actors within this context are still individual decision makers, they just don't act to far out of line, since this violation of an unwritten code can have negative consequences for them (social punishment). Within the context of capitalism / market economy a corporation's interest is making sustainable profit over time. Their image is very important to them. They want to be seen in line with the larger groups values and aesthetics (beauty and morality being linked). We think as corporations as very powerful, but they are actually very dependent on public opinion and the cooperation of other actors stakeholders with them. Those other stakeholders are e.g. distributors, customers, service providers, employees, investors and political and civil society organisations,media and of course governments. "Racism" (with Antisemitism supposedly to be a variant or even prototype of this) is kind of the "last sin" here. Why this is the case and why this even takes preeminence over all others (including sexism, homophobia, ableism, ageism, let alone old-fashioned vices etc.) is another analysis. But what's called "Racism" (and it is not exactly a well defined term) is a hinting towards people's in-group preference especially loyalty to their kinship group (family, tribe, folk, nation, group of similar nations which is what traditionally was understood to be race (not necessarily a discrete distinction within a species)). It's a also a blanket term of sorts covering all kinds of definitions relating to bigger kinship groups. As said it relates to in-group preference, but also to which side is to pick in an inter-group conflict. If one can destroy this group cohesion, by demonising anyone that shows an in-group preference a "racist" and make group members afraid of being called that one can of course far easier fight, overpower, control and ultimately destroy this group in the future. And I think that's at work here. Relating to this one should of course bear in mind Raphael Lemkin's initial definition of genocide: https://archive.org/details/genocidedef ... haellemkin

Back to your example of disallowing any contact with those outside that code of allowable opinion (racist). This is of course how thought-reform-cults do work: https://culteducation.com/brainwashing/ ... alism.html
It's ultimately a dispensing of existence and demand for purity in action. I'm not surprised the BLM-pogroms took place right after the Coronavirus-scare did take a global dimension with compulsory "hygiene measures" forced on members of the public. It took the form of a Healthscare in many countries. The physical hygiene scare preconditioned people for an ideological hygiene battle with the "healthy" or "immune" forcing it down the supposedly diseased (White folks) cleansing the public landscape from signs of the disease. For now it mostly took the form of symbolic violence, with occasional assaults and mob murders included, but that's merely a side show for now.

I agree that the Holocaust is the prototype for the "White guilt-ideology" in general. But while it's on its way out, it also has done much damage to the Western psyche already. Debunking the Holocaust will however have to be part of deprogramming people that are in the shaming trap. Won't be easy though, since the Anti-Racism cultists already achieved a high degree of milieu control as you were hinting to with the censorship on social media. They also aim at enforcing that further trying to maximise control over what can get published and distributed on social media. One advantage at the moment may be the focus is shifted from the Holocaust towards issues like Slavery and Colonialism. Perhaps this is a gap where one can come in. One would have to work out an approach with a strategy here. Something that is subtle enough to dodge the censorship, but still powerful enough to give people doubts about ideology and hints on what's happening. The mockdown-shock may also come in handy here, since trust in institutions is shaken as well. And that trust may get shaken even more within the next few month or years, when the shear incompetence of "science" and "government" comes out in the light of the "Corona-Crisis".

Funny enough the perfect figure for all that has been mentioned right now would be Ludwik Fleck. A Jewish medical doctor from Poland that worked against Typhus and was employed in concentration camps to do so, while also having written extensively of the issue of what nowadays is called group think and hegemony in institutions and organisations:
https://archive.org/details/CognitionAn ... udwikFleck

He could become the silver-bullet to destroy the Holocaust, the Cracism-Cult and the academic establishment at the same time.Guess we need to focus on him for a while.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby forasanerworld » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:27 am)

To throw another aspect into the pot, an interviewer of Heinrich Himmler, Harvard Phd Theodore Lothrop-Stoddard wrote many books including "The Rising Tide of Colour - Against White World Supremacy", incredibly prophetic he foretold the possibility of exclusion of the west from the Pacific (China's Nine Dash Line), the deindustrialisation of the west as a result of ultra cheap Chinese labor rates, and the collapse of european empires in which he said that a withdrawal from Africa, the "Inner Dyke", would see an influx of eastern power and the flooding of the northern hempisphere (consider that India and China have between them about 2.4 bn and Europe and the US what, some 5/600 million of a broadly european background). Now TL-S is now of course called a "racist" along with such as Rudyard Kipling and Boy Scout founder Baden-Powell and I DO recognise that all countries and peoples have risen and fallen, no one has a god given right of permanance but it's the "how and why" of change that makes the difference for me and the keeping of wisdom and appreciation of history rather than its destruction.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Hektor » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:53 am)

forasanerworld wrote:To throw another aspect into the pot, an interviewer of Heinrich Himmler, Harvard Phd Theodore Lothrop-Stoddard wrote many books including "The Rising Tide of Colour - Against White World Supremacy", incredibly prophetic he foretold the possibility of exclusion of the west from the Pacific (China's Nine Dash Line), the deindustrialisation of the west as a result of ultra cheap Chinese labor rates, and the collapse of european empires in which he said that a withdrawal from Africa, the "Inner Dyke", would see an influx of eastern power and the flooding of the northern hempisphere (consider that India and China have between them about 2.4 bn and Europe and the US what, some 5/600 million of a broadly european background). Now TL-S is now of course called a "racist" along with such as Rudyard Kipling and Boy Scout founder Baden-Powell and I DO recognise that all countries and peoples have risen and fallen, no one has a god given right of permanance but it's the "how and why" of change that makes the difference for me and the keeping of wisdom and appreciation of history rather than its destruction.

Do you have a link to that book, fsw. ?

Another predictor of the fall of the West is of course Oswald Spengler - who was found to be to pessimistic during the NS-era. I'd say he may be a bit too deterministic in what he's saying, but those predictions seem to come remarkably close now.

While I acknowledge the Holocaust's role in changing mainstream 'Western Values' over time, I'd dispute singular culpability on the affair. Well, there is the Frankfurt School, but even there they could only do as they liked, because people did allow them to do their staff. I wonder how many old Profs thought to themselves that this may not age well, but the fruits will only become a problem long after my pension age.

As for the Holocaust/NAZI-theme. This obsession has been extended in Germany to any other part of history prior to 1945. Weimar is still spared though, but the Kaiser does get his unfair share of blame there - At least in the mainstream press that is. Themes there are 1st. world war and German's armament prior to it. And last but not least the 'colonial episode', with special emphasis on the fate of the Herero (who breached a pact with the Germans then, trying to murder as many as they could) accusing the Schutztruppe of committing a genocide against the Herero people. E.g. by cordoning them off from an areas where there was water. The history of that accusation is btw. highly interesting. The events would have taken place in the time between 1904-1907 - but it was trumped up after the occupation of SWA by the SAU (South African Union) on the of the British empire, when a so-called Blue Book was published (un-challeged, untested accusation stories). In the 1920s the South African Union seems to have retracted those accusations again - Only to be picked up by the GDR-Communists later...

So the move is now from the "Jewish Victim" towards the "Black Victim" or "people of colour".... May guess would be, at least for a while, because the Holocaust-horse isn't far from collapsing. So rather have another horse for a while.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Lamprecht » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:12 pm)

Stoddard's book is here:

The rising tide of color against white world-supremacy
https://archive.org/details/risingtideofcolo00stoduoft
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby HMSendeavour » 2 months 2 days ago (Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:58 am)

Deborah Lipstadt hates white people. And she definitely hates Germans. In her vile book 'Denying the Holocaust' she's open equates "Germanophilia" with being untrustworthy, anti-semitic, racist, and all the rest of it. She even states that Holocaust revision would mean the Germans are under less of an obligation to accept immigrants to their country, to racially replace them.

Germar Rudolf put it quite well:

When it comes to Lipstadt’s motives, there is one topic we have to briefly mention here. As stated before, Dr. Lipstadt considers anti-Semitic and related leanings to be abominable motives. Interestingly, she puts at the same level of abomination another attitude, and that is philo-Germanism. She uses that term frequently together with anti-Semitism, racism and/or Nazism. Here are the quotes, which we won’t read to you. You can stop the video if you want to take them in.

“The roots of Barnes’s views about the Holocaust and his attitudes toward Israel go beyond his deep-seated Germanophilia and revisionist approach to history: They can be found in his antisemitism.” (p. 91)

“Butz’s book is replete with the same expressions of traditional antisemitism, philo-Germanism and conspiracy theory as the Holocaust denial pamphlets printed by the most scurrilous neo-Nazi groups.” (p. 141)

“Most people who were aware of [the IHR’s] existence dismissed it as a conglomeration of Holocaust deniers, neo-Nazis, philo-Germans, right-wing extremists, antisemites, racists, and conspiracy theorists.” (p. 154)

“With the zeal of a convert, [Austin App] moved to the isolationist, pro-German end of the political spectrum and stayed there for the rest of his life.” (p. 76)


These statements indicate that, for Dr. Lipstadt, having positive feelings for Germany or the German people is just as odious as being anti-Semitic or racist. To put the shoe on the other foot: what do you think the average person would think of us if we stated that it is odious to have pro-Jewish feelings? We’d be labeled an anti-Semite, right? But that stance would not be different than Dr. Lipstadt’s attitude.

How crazy her attitude toward Germans and Germany really is can be seen from two more quotes. In one, she seriously states that Germany has the moral obligation to welcome anyone seeking refuge there:

“If Germany was also a victim of a ‘downfall,’ and if the Holocaust was no different from a mélange of other tragedies, Germany’s moral obligation to welcome all who seek refuge within its borders is lessened.” (p. 243)


And in another one she states that she feels obligated to take charge of how the Germans look at their own history:

“We [historians] did not train in our respective fields in order to stand like watchmen and women on the Rhine. Yet this is what we must do.” (p. 222)


Considering that there are currently around a billion people on this planet who, due to war, famine, poverty and civil unrest, are inclined to seek refuge elsewhere,[19] and if we keep in mind that one favorite destination of those migrants is Germany, is Dr. Lipstadt seriously saying that Germany has the moral obligation to welcome a billion people, if they decide to come? Is she out of her mind? And why exactly does Germany have that obligation, but Israel does not?

Germar Rudolf, The Lies and Deceptions of Deborah Lipstadt Part 2 (https://codoh.com/library/document/the-lies-and-deceptions-of-deborah-lipstadt-1/en/.
Archive: https://archive.fo/EZl9E.
See video:http://www.holocausthandbooks.com/dl/LipstadtsLies+Deceptions-Part2.mp4


Lipstadt cannot be viewed as a lone voice among many. She had written these disgusting things in her book prior to the Irving Libel case in 2000, where she subsequently received the attention and support of all the academic establishments the world over, not to mention Hollywood and the mainstream media. She has become the representative of the Holocaust narrative. A gate-keeper and arbiter of what she believes to be the "truth"; and she's in the business of manufacturing the truth so long as it helps the interests of her race, the Jews. Of course, she is a virulent Jewish ethnocentrist and political activist.

She is for a great many people the mouthpiece of the Believer faith - and it is with the same voice that she espouses the existence of alleged gas chambers and the moral indignation of the deaths of 6 million Jews that she on the other hand, champions the genocidal hatred with which she demands the destruction of the German people through immigration, and no doubt, the rest of Europe and wherever else in the world people of European descent reside.

What she says here should be taken much more seriously than I believe it has been.
Now what does it mean for the independent expert witness Van Pelt? In his eyes he had two possibilities. Either to confirm the Holocaust story, or to go insane. - Germar Rudolf, 13th IHR Conference.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Merlin300 » 2 months 2 days ago (Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:29 pm)

I am a Revisionist because the Holocaust Tale is false in large parts.
I am irritated that the government and much of the establishment is trying to push an obviously false narrative onto me. I ain't THAT stupid.

The Holocaust is a prime example of the twisting of history predicted in Orwell's 1984.
I think that a government that lies is dangerous to every human, except those in power. This applies to weapons of mass destruction,
the Tonkin Gulf incidents, the sinking of the Maine, as well as to the Holocaust propaganda tale.

I believe that everyone is a victim of the Holocaust Belief promoters. Holocaust propaganda launched the current Era of Victimization
which divides people with narratives of real or exaggerated wrongs. As my high school principal told me one time, "Shake hands, boys
and move on." Good advice for teenagers or society.

The sick twisted tales of Holocaust Belief install only sick twisted feelings in the listeners.
The Jewish public feels fear, shame and alienation from the rest of humanity. While great for fundraising, it is bad for Society.
The survivors of National Socialism oppression have their real tragedies exploited by propagandists.
German youth have been taught to cringe with guilt.
The Tale is used to divert attention from the real horrors and stupidities of WWII. The real lessons of history are concealed.
So, while European culture is insulted by the ugly absurd stories, Humanity itself is harmed by the Holocaust Tale.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby borjastick » 2 months 1 day ago (Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:21 am)

I believe that the holocaust myth has given rise to identity politics, the crushing of free speech, the mass invasion of the white european block by invited non whites from Africa and the middle east, the vilification of conservatism and white heritage and gave rise to the current Empire of the European Union.

If the holocaust can be broken the balance will begin to return and fall out from that crushing blow to those who would lie on such a scale would be both entertaining to watch and largely beneficial to many.

Things like 'climate change' and BLM have all profited from the myth of the holocaust because they have profited from the context of being able to speak their minds without fear of contradiction from official channels.
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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby stinky » 2 months 1 day ago (Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:16 am)

Merlin300 wrote:I think that a government that lies is dangerous to every human, except those in power. This applies to weapons of mass destruction,
the Tonkin Gulf incidents, the sinking of the Maine, as well as to the Holocaust propaganda tale.

The COVID scamdemic comes to mind
It's easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 month 4 weeks ago (Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:40 am)

HMSendeavour wrote:Deborah Lipstadt hates white people.

The holocaust myth is key for people who hate white people, and it convinces a lot of white people to hate white people. Which means a lot of white people hate themselves cause they're white, and that sentiment leads to choices they make in their life.

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby paternos » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:32 am)

I think the holocaust is part of the equation.

It's a holy war, between the truth and devilish lies.

Jews always used lies to seduce and control populations and they are proficient in that, the 21th century leads to a peak point of their power.

The holocaust is a great lie, but todays society is filled with lies.

- Homosexuality / Lesbianism is good - Which leads to the extinction of the white race
- Choosing sexuality - The perversion of the lie that you can make a girl a boy, perverts the soul and leads to the extinction of the white race
- All races are equal - Making it impossible for government to effectively deal with crime or make sane decisions on immigration, hurting the white population
- Socialism is good - Which demotivates energy and quality and promotes degeneracy and laziness
- Usury - And even worse usury of government which leads to shoving costs to future generations
- Inflation - Abandoning the gold standard let to the inflation we see today, pension funds being dried up, the virtue of saving is demoted, all on the premise of growth
- Promoting fat people on bill boards
- Stimulating hatred and envy in black people, resulting in the collapse of several US cities
- Shutting down society with the corona virus for a year
- Antisemitism - Any form of criticism of Jews is a punishable crime in court

All Christian vices are promoted: lust, greed, pride, sloth, wrath, envy & gluttony. Personally this spiritual decay is the hardest I see around me. White people choosing lies and hell on earth instead of light and confidence.

Following Jews leads us whites to the path of self destruction, all they promote, see the examples above is the spiritual breaking of white people and pursuing the death of our race.

Starting a new year, it is important to live in the light, and cherish our godly connection, when we live in light we might be chased and prosecuted, but we can look in the mirror and god loves us like his son. We can be a radiant divine energy breaking the big lies and bringing truth, living with the spirit and knowing we follow the right path.

That's how I see it, that's how I live life and I've believed the Jewish lies for many years myself and I know now I have never been more at peace today.

Wish you all a blessed new year!

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Re: Long Term: white people won't survive if the H-myth doesn't break

Postby Werd » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:44 pm)

Many leftist Jews are in fact wrapping themselves in the blanket of the holocaust to justify opening borders to the hoards of Muslims coming into Europe. It's a guilt trip. The thing is, a few Jews on the right, and in the center of the political spectrum see the anti semitism and pushback, and have made calls for Jews to stop doing this. David Cole/Stein is one of them. Let gentiles have their borders just like Israel has her borders. They don't want the double standards to become part and parcel of being a Jew. These more sensible Jews have figured out deep down, that especially in the 21st century now, with classical Christian based anti semitism decreasing (atheism is on the rise in Europe - just check the statistics), there are in fact rational reasons now for anti semitism.

In other words, the ball is in the court of the Jew. If they're going to attach the holocaust to the white plight of sharia/Jihad and waning white birth rates, but skyrocketing Muslim ones in Europe, then I guess we're going to have to attack the holocaust to save Europe. Hey. THE JEWS MADE IT THAT WAY. IT'S THEIR FAULT. They could have said, "you know what, not only is rape and other crime going up in Europe, but so are attacks on Jews and we don't like that. Let's be on the side of the gentiles in Europe who want to close their borders so that we don't get ourselves accused of being cultural distorters and disloyal parasites."

In other words, the Jews screwed themselves on this. So no sympathy from me. If you don't want to be accused of disloyalty and cultural distortion, THEN DON'T FULFILL THE STEREOTYPE YOURSELF! Jews, you are not special. You are going to be judged on your actions just like everyone else. So watch how you behave. If I had my way, I would stop allowing Jews to flee Germany, France, etc and just simply let the Muslims handle them. Enjoy your multiculturalism, Jews. :lol:


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