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phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

Postby HMSendeavour » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:25 pm)

I didn't know how to best title this post. But I will continue nonetheless.

On July 20th, 2020 Germar Rudolf chatted with the guys from TRS on their show "The Daily Shoah" (See interview: https://therightstuff.biz/2020/07/20/tds620-the-rudolf-report/). It's a very good interview, a bit awkward at times, but overall very good. Germar was interviewed about a variety of things and one caught my attention, because it was unfortunately not elaborated on. Mike, one of the hosts, asked Germar about a paper from 2016 by someone Mike called "Giles Carmison" (my spelling of his name could be entirely wrong, I spelt based on Mikes pronunciation) published on phdn (see 1:22:17). I could not find this paper online, so I was wondering if anyone here has heard of it or knows of a response to it? Because it didn't sound like Germar had heard of this guy or this paper whatsoever. He just brushes over it.
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Re: phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:48 pm)

I briefly checked the site (which is in French) and couldn't find any article from 2016 about that. Maybe you could email TRS and ask them about a link to it.

Or if anyone is a paid subscriber, they could do it instead as they would likely have better luck, or they could possibly check the video version (if there is one)
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Re: phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

Postby HMSendeavour » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:17 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:I briefly checked the site (which is in French) and couldn't find any article from 2016 about that. Maybe you could email TRS and ask them about a link to it.

Or if anyone is a paid subscriber, they could do it instead as they would likely have better luck, or they could possibly check the video version (if there is one)


I have emailed them regarding this and about another matter as well. They responded about 40 minutes ago, but not regarding the article unfortunately.

Checking the video version would be best I agree. I've wanted to get behind the paywall for a while now, so i'm looking into doing that.
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Re: phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

Postby Marley775 » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:08 pm)

HMSendeavour wrote:
On July 20th, 2020 Germar Rudolf chatted with the guys from TRS on their show "The Daily Shoah" (See interview: https://therightstuff.biz/2020/07/20/tds620-the-rudolf-report/). Mike, one of the hosts, asked Germar about a paper from 2016 by someone Mike called "Giles Carmison" (my spelling of his name could be entirely wrong, I spelt based on Mikes pronunciation) published on phdn (see 1:22:17)...


It's Gilles Karmasyn, if it may help.

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Re: phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

Postby HMSendeavour » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:09 am)

Marley775 wrote:It's Gilles Karmasyn, if it may help.


Thank you, I have now found a variety of papers. All of which are in French.

Germar rudolf profile & biography by Gilles Karmasyn
https://phdn.org/negation/rudolf/biogermarrudolf.html

Here's the 2016 paper Mike was talking about:

Scientific incompetence and falsifications by Germar Rudolf About the evaporation of hydrocyanic acid from Zyklon B by Gilles Karmasyn
https://phdn.org/negation/rudolf/rudolfincompetencefalsifications.html

This is the profile they have of Germar:
https://phdn.org/negation/rudolf/

With links to old papers Germar has already refuted, namely those by Richard J. Green. I hope that Germar, at some point can respond to this Gilles Karmasyn fellow (he doesn't appear to be mentioned at all in the CODOH library). Although I doubt he says much different to Green, a hint that this might be the case is this line:

The " demonstrations " of Germar Rudolf had early been refuted in English, including a professional chemical engineer (that is not Germar Rudolf), Richard J. Green


Unfortunately, I think Germar is busy at the moment with his GoFundMe to pay his court bills as a result of his hack lawyers throwing out his case against a lying police officer that claimed Germar was a perverted exhibitionist.
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Re: phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

Postby Pia Kahn » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:50 am)

Well thanks for posting this. The gist of the paper is the claim that Zyklon B evaporates hydrogen cyanide much faster than claimed by Germar Rudolf. He claims that Rudolf fabricated the curve representing the evaporation speed..

"I.  Comment Rudolf a fabriqué sa courbe de vitesse d’évaporation de l’HCN

Rudolf se présente comme un scientifique et affirme effectuer des démonstrations scientifiques. Pour affirmer que la vitesse d’évaporation est lente il faut disposer de mesures concrètes. Rudolf n’en dispose pas mais va tout de même proposer une courbe. Il nous faut examiner comment ainsi que la nature de cette courbe.

Il prétend (p. 59) disposer de deux sources, dont l’une émane, prétend Rudolf de «l’US-Army Chemical Corps». Nous l’examinerons plus tard car, bien qu’intéressante pour notre propos, elle est peu exploitée par Rudolf.

Celui-ci insiste surtout sur une lettre qu’il aurait reçue de la firme Detia Freyberg, qui a pris la suite de la société Degesch dans la commercialisation de produits comme le Zyklon B. "

In English:

"I. How Rudolf fabricated the graph of the evaporation speed of HCN

Rudolf presents himself as a scientist and purports to perform scientific demonstrations. In order to prove that the evaporation speed is slow one has to perform concrete measurements. Rudolf doesn't do that but nevertheless he proposes a graph. We must examine the nature of this graph.

He pretends (page 59) to be in the possession of two sources, one of them - Rudolf purports - is from the "US Army Chemical Corps". We shall examine it later on because .... Rudolf doesn't use it very much.

He relies overwhelmingly on a letter that he received from the company "Detia Freyberg", which is the successor of the Degesch company in the commercialisation of products like Zyklon B."

I haven't read much further, but I do remember that Rudolph relies on the measurement of this speed from an original German document. Thus, he does not propose a graph. Possibly, the original Rudolph report lacked this information? I don't know.

Oh yeah, here it is on page 236, he relies on a paper, which contains the measurement of the evaporation characteristics published by Irmsher.

http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/02-tcoa.pdf

O.K. I stop reading right there, because this French paper is not (or possibly no longer) relevant for the Rudolf report.
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Re: phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

Postby Pia Kahn » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:28 am)

O.K. later on the French paper does talk about the Irmscher paper. Sorry, but this paper is really polemical and bad. In the beginning, they claim that he mainly relies on a letter and later on the French paper discusses the Irmscher paper. Thus, Rudoph did not fabricate the graph, he took if from a scientific paper. Here is another example of the "dishonesty" of this French paper:

"V.  Une négligence scientifique majeure de Germar Rudolf: l’importance de la température"

In English:

" V. A major scientific negligence by Germar Rudolf: the importance of the temperature"

later on I read:

"Cela est évidemment passé sous silence, «oublié» par Germar Rudolf et rend dérisoires toutes ses arguties sur les vitesses d’évaporation de l’HCN. Aucun scientifique digne de ce nom n’oserait négliger la question de la température dans une étude relative à une problématique d’évaporation!"

In English:

"This is evidently treated with silence, "forgotten" by Germar Rudolf and renders ridiculous all of his sophistry about the evaporation speed of HCN. No scientist worthy of his name would dare to neglect the question of the temperature in a study about the problem of evaporation!"

Does Rudolf neglect the influence of the temperature on the evaporation speed? This is what he writes in the Rudolf report:

"For later references, we want to keep in mind that, at 15°C and in the presence of low relative humidity, approximately 10% of the hydrogen cyanide used at Auschwitz has left the carrier material during the first five minutes, and approximately 45% after half an hour. At a temperature of 30°C, it can be expected that 15% would have been released within the first five minutes, and up to 60% after half an hour. In areas with a relative humidity of approximately 100%, however, the evaporation times would have been “seriously delayed....On the other hand, the relative atmospheric humidity in the cellars of Crematoria II and III, which certainly would have approached 100% when packed full of people, would have “seriously delayed” evaporation...The present study regarding homicidal mass gassings will be based on the
assumption that the Zyklon B would at best have behaved in the manner described by Irmscher at 15°C (see above), which is assumed to be similar to a temperature inside the chamber of 30°C, a relative humidity near 100%, and a carrier wetted by a wet floor and/or not finely distributed, depending on the scenario considered. 300”

Here is the first English language edition of the Rudolf Report, which also discusses the temperature effects:

https://archive.org/details/TheRudolfRe ... 5/mode/2up

Thus, Rudolf does not neglect the impact of temperature. This French paper is basically lying about the Rudolf report. This French paper is indeed a fraud!

I wonder why people do such a thing, when it takes few minutes to expose such a fraud! Do they think that people just won't notice? I have no idea.
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Re: phdm article about the evaporation of hydro hydrocyanic acid from zyklon b / "Refutation" of Germar Rudolf

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:48 am)

Not sure why they are responding to the Rudolf report in 2016, as it has been replaced by "The Chemistry of Auschwitz"

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php ... &page_id=2
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Postby Webmaster » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:48 pm)

Note: Another discussion of this podcast interview can be found in this thread:

Germar Rudolf interviewed by podcasters - July 20 2020 - including about his recent arrest

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