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Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 2 days ago (Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:40 am)

Jewish organizations are constantly polling people about how they view the "Holocaust" in order to track so-called "anti-Semitism." A recent survey of millenials and Gen Z Americans (18-39 year olds) has found that most of them "don't know" if 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust, almost half can't name a concentration camp, and 15% find so-called "neo-Nazi" views acceptable. In New York, almost 1/5 believe that the "Holocaust" happened as a result of Jewish behavior. The survey also found that almost half polled had seen social media posts "denying the Holocaust" and most have seen "Nazi symbols." The article also claims a survey from 2018 found that nearly 1/3 of Americans believe that fewer than 2 million Jews died in the so-called "Holocaust."

Almost two-thirds of millennials, Gen Z don't know that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, survey finds
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Almost two-thirds of millennials and Gen Zers don’t know that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, and almost half can’t name a single concentration camp, an alarming new survey on Holocaust knowledge has found.

The survey demonstrated wide gaps in younger American’s knowledge of the genocide while also showing a concerning 15% of millennials and Gen Zers thought holding neo-Nazi views was acceptable.

“How much of that is based on genuine understanding of neo-Nazis principles and how much is based on ignorance is hard to tell. Either of them is very disturbing,” said Gideon Taylor, president of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, which commissioned the survey.

“If people can’t name Auschwitz … that’s something that’s deeply concerning. I don’t think there is any greater symbol of man’s depravity in recent history than Auschwitz,” he added.

The survey is the fifth in a series that looks at people’s knowledge of Holocaust history worldwide as well as education around the genocide.

The survey of 1,000 18- to 39-year-olds in all 50 states also provided the first state-by-state breakdown of Holocaust knowledge in the U.S. In New York, for example, which ranked among the bottom 10 states in an analysis of Holocaust knowledge, nearly 20% of millennials and Gen Zers incorrectly believe that Jews caused the Holocaust.

That sort of denial and distortion around the causes of the Holocaust “is a form of anti-Semitism,” said Gretchen Skidmore, the director of education initiatives for the Levine Family Institute for Holocaust Education at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

The results come amid a rise in anti-Semitic incidents around the U.S. in recent years. The Anti-Defamation League said in May that it had recorded an all-time high of anti-Semitic incidents in 2019 since it tracking of such events began in 1979.

Another concerning finding in the Claims Conference survey: Almost half of respondents had seen social media posts denying or distorting facts about the Holocaust, and more than half said they had seen Nazi symbols in their community or online.

Taylor said these results demonstrate how the internet “has given a voice to and amplified Holocaust denial in a way that was unimaginable just a few years ago.”

Approximately 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust after Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime came to power in Germany in the 1930s. Jews and other groups were targeted by the Nazis and their allies on beliefs of perceived racial inferiority. Millions were sent to ghettos, labor camps and concentration camps and killed in mass shootings, gas chambers and from starvation.

“In order to understand the importance of this history, there are certain fundamental aspects of it that you need to understand,” Skidmore said. Knowing the basic facts allow people to then “go to the next level” and think critically about the causes and other enduring questions, she added.

Taylor said that the state-by-state data in this year’s survey will prove valuable for individual states where there can be more targeted changes to how educators teach Holocaust history.

The survey found that 8 in 10 respondents believe continued Holocaust education is important to prevent it from happening again. That education becomes all the more important, Taylor noted, as fewer Holocaust survivors are still living.

This claim that people need to be "Educated about the Holocaust" to somehow avoid a genocide of Jews just doesn't make sense to me. Murder is universally recognized in all human societies as a crime or worse. Why would someone need to be told that Hitler gassed millions of Jews to believe that doing such a thing is not a good idea? If anything, having this stuff shoved down their throat year after year is rather irritating.

Even if we accept the premise that the Jews were Holocausted in a genocide, there are numerous other genocides that are alleged to have ocurred historically. How many young Americans can name details about these? I would predict that if there were such polls (there probably aren't) the results would be that an even higher number of Americans have never heard of these events. If it is important for people to learn that killing is bad, why aren't they taught also about Pol Pot? What about the Mongol massacres and the Soviet famines? Were these events not bad things that also should not be repeated?

Why aren't students also taught about all of the hundreds of expulsions of Jews throughout history? I would suspect that the ADL would declare these events horrible developments that should also not be repeated. How many young Americans can say what the "Edict of Expulsion" was? Probably a single digit percent. Is that not also "concerning"? Nobody seems to care about that :?



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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 2 days ago (Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:56 am)

Here is the web page for the survey: http://www.claimscon.org/millennial-study/

It has an interactive map with figures for each US state. Here is an example that shows a handful of US states have over 1/3 of the polled population claiming that fewer than 2 million Jews perished in the "Holocaust":

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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby fireofice » 1 week 2 days ago (Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:16 pm)

Here is one response:

https://twitter.com/nataliemj10/status/ ... 4952788992

However, some responses to the tweet still find the actual results worrying.

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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby borjastick » 1 week 1 day ago (Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:53 am)

Yesterday I wrote a comment in a UK paper online about this. I was careful to not openly deny or doubt the H. I said something like this; Why should investigation and questions about the holocaust be banned. Anyone who takes the time to look at the claims of the holocaust would quickly see it happened but would doubt the 6m figure.

Within minutes I had replies calling me a Nazi!

You couldn't make this shit up.
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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 1 day ago (Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:10 am)

borjastick wrote:Yesterday I wrote a comment in a UK paper online about this. I was careful to not openly deny or doubt the H. I said something like this; Why should investigation and questions about the holocaust be banned. Anyone who takes the time to look at the claims of the holocaust would quickly see it happened but would doubt the 6m figure.

Within minutes I had replies calling me a Nazi!

You couldn't make this shit up.

"Nazi" is merely a racial slur against Whites. There are actually no real "Nazis" alive today. A "Nazi" (which is also a slur) is a member of the NSDAP. I guess a handful of elderly men could be called "Nazis" if they were part of the NSDAP when they were younger.

The overuse of the terms "Nazi" and "fascist" and "racist" are actually a good thing. Sooner or later every White person in the west that is not a radical neo-Marxist will be called this hundreds of times. They will start to wonder "Why am I being called this? What did these people actually believe? Maybe I'll go find out what these people have said in their own words."
People are actually being killed in the streets and some insane individuals are justifying these political assassinations because the individual was a "fascist" or "nazi." So does that mean that you can just violently assault or kill someone as long as you declare them a "fascist" first and then shout "black lives matter" afterwards? :?

And that's exactly what they want to do. Just as only Jews are allowed to determine what is "anti-Semitism" and why it ocurrs, they have a self-declared monopoly on what the "Nazis" stood for and what they believed. And their position is that Hitler wanted to exterminate all of the Jews becuase he believed they were racially inferior. Really, many will tell you that he wanted to kill everyone that wasn't blond hair and blue eyes because he believed they were the "Master race" or something. It's cartoonishly absurd but, as you have said, anyone even suggesting that free speech should be permitted on this topic is declared a blasphemous heathen.

In the USA we have freedom of speech outlined in the First Amendment and there are very few exceptions (libel/defamation, shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, threatening imminent violence, etc) and a lot of people - but not all - do believe this is an inalienable human right. And logically it would also apply to people asking "Maybe Hitler did not kill Jews in gas chambers? Maybe they died of disease and starvation due to war-time conditions?"

These questions cannot be asked. If the ADL had its way, you would be charged with a crime for asking them.
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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 1 day ago (Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:18 am)

fireofice wrote:Here is one response:

https://twitter.com/nataliemj10/status/ ... 4952788992

However, some responses to the tweet still find the actual results worrying.

From the link in my second post:
"When broken down further, 36 percent of Millennials and Gen Z thought that two million or fewer Jews were murdered"

And now we have the we have a debate over what entails "murdered" - was Anne Frank murdered? She died from disease in a non-extermination camp. Some people will argue that she was murdered because they put her in a camp and therefore were in charge of her welfare. Others will say that she was not murdered because she died of a disese.

I have written about this subject here:
The power of the "Denier" label and people's confusion about the "Holocaust" / debate strategies?
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Most people have no idea what the term "Holocaust" really entails. When you say "Holocaust denier" most think of someone that denies that Jews were put into camps and ghettos, forced to wear yellow stars, etc. This is a deliberate confusion. In many cases I have listed things that I believe did happen (ghettos, camps with crematoria, mass deportations, a "Final Solution" policy, executions in the east for various reasons, the T4 euthanasia program, etc) and I will get a response like
"So you think it did happen, you just disagree with the 6 million and gas chambers?" :roll:

There is simply no way that a person can claim fewer than 2 million Jews died in a "Holocaust" (however you choose to define that) and also accept the validity of the orthodox "Holocaust" story. Usually these polls split people into two camps: Those that call it a "myth" vs those that claim it is "exaggerated" -- Check the first link in my recommended links section of the OP for other examples.

What does it mean to claim "the Holocaust was exaggerated" even? None of these polls are very good at all. Imagine if they had a short article explaining the positions of revisionists and exterminationists and then asked the people being polled what they thought. Something like this:

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I think that Juergen Graf estimated that somewhere around 1 million Jews died in WWII, this is just from memory. Usually estimates of Jews that died in the Red Army range from 100-200 thousand, are they included in the "Holocaust"? What about Jews that were evacuated by the Soviets and died in the harsh conditions there as a result? What about Jews that died in Allied bombing raids? What about Jews that starved along with gentile civilians under NS occupied Europe because of the British blockade? Any Jew that died in WWII is a "Victim of the Holocaust" but any non-Jew that died outside of the camps is a "WWII casualty." It's a word game.
The results you get from a poll depend heavily on the wording of the questions. I can't imagine they did a very honest job here with their questions.

The goal of this survey is explained in the OP article:
The results come amid a rise in anti-Semitic incidents around the U.S. in recent years. The Anti-Defamation League said in May that it had recorded an all-time high of anti-Semitic incidents in 2019 since it tracking of such events began in 1979.

I wonder what would happen if someone made a fake Jewish organization or pretended to be part of some Jewish organization and somehow managed to send an actually honest poll/survey out to some American schools and see what the results are. A poll where the position of revisionists and exterminationists were summarized in a few paragraphs or contrasted such as in that graphic I posted above. I wonder what the results would be? That would be a fun exercise :D
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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Hektor » 1 week 1 day ago (Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:42 am)

Lamprecht wrote:
borjastick wrote:Yesterday I wrote a comment in a UK paper online about this. I was careful to not openly deny or doubt the H. I said something like this; Why should investigation and questions about the holocaust be banned. Anyone who takes the time to look at the claims of the holocaust would quickly see it happened but would doubt the 6m figure.

Within minutes I had replies calling me a Nazi!

You couldn't make this shit up.

"Nazi" is merely a racial slur against Whites. There are actually no real "Nazis" alive today. A "Nazi" (which is also a slur) is a member of the NSDAP. I guess a handful of elderly men could be called "Nazis" if they were part of the NSDAP when they were younger.
The appropriate term is National Socialist. But the left doesn't like it when people use it, since it may point one or more fingers back to them. Any NSDAP-member would be older than 93 today. I wonder if anyone of them is still alive.


Lamprecht wrote:The overuse of the terms "Nazi" and "fascist" and "racist" are actually a good thing. Sooner or later every White person in the west that is not a radical neo-Marxist will be called this hundreds of times. They will start to wonder "Why am I being called this? What did these people actually believe? Maybe I'll go find out what these people have said in their own words."
People are actually being killed in the streets and some insane individuals are justifying these political assassinations because the individual was a "fascist" or "nazi." So does that mean that you can just violently assault or kill someone as long as you declare them a "fascist" first and then shout "black lives matter" afterwards? :?
I think they realise the overuse may not be too good for the scheme they try to pull. So there are several alternative terms, like 'fascist' and 'racist', but also 'right-wing' with radical, extremist or populist as a qualifier. Or 'white supremacist'. The users of those polemical terms hardly know what those terms actually would mean. Political pseudo scientists or rather academic activists of course have some smart sounding 'definitions' of such terms. But they hardly ever fit. One of my favourites is, when they say "ultra-nationalist". OK, if there are "ultras", how would they then define a nationalist, proper? What's the difference between a nationalist and an 'ultra nationalist'?
What's wrong with people that want a nation minding its own business anyway? And why are White folks singled out for that kind of critique in the first place?

Traditionally one got a political spectrum in Western countries that stretches from welfarists over classical liberals towards conservatives of different shades. This was the modern left to right scheme. On the left there was the demand for equality and social justice in the middle the 'freedom of the individual', while on the right it's more about traditional value. There is a class issue related to this, with poorer folks tending to be more to the left, professionally more successful people tended more to the right, while the educated tended to the middle. The later underwent some change reflecting a shift of hegemony to the left, especially since WW2 and the 1960s. Interestingly the change afterwards was mostly about "self-realisation" a form of cultural individualism that then through self-reliance and personal responsibility under the bus in favour of the state taking care of everyone's failings. That was a job creation scheme for low grade academics, too. I don't think this was ever sustainable, it was the expansion of industries and the money-supply with 'globalisation' that made this possible. But there is a shadow side to this as well and my take is that the chickens will come home to roost within the decade ahead. People realise this and I see the two major responses to this. One is a cultural pessimism of which preppers are an expression. The other one is an "I-don't-care" attitude posing as optimism. It's of course not clean cut, but rather mixed up with a lot of various other ideas.

Lamprecht wrote:And that's exactly what they want to do. Just as only Jews are allowed to determine what is "anti-Semitism" and why it ocurrs, they have a self-declared monopoly on what the "Nazis" stood for and what they believed. And their position is that Hitler wanted to exterminate all of the Jews becuase he believed they were racially inferior. Really, many will tell you that he wanted to kill everyone that wasn't blond hair and blue eyes because he believed they were the "Master race" or something. It's cartoonishly absurd but, as you have said, anyone even suggesting that free speech should be permitted on this topic is declared a blasphemous heathen.
That's the narrative. But any narrative needs people that spin and promulgate it. This is where all your oversupply of post-modern academics come into play. They got a lot of spare time at their hand, which they can spend on cultural consumption. But those folks are also the ones that influence others as teachers, journalists/ media producers. Once the economy fails and no money/resources are available for them, they'll loose their grip though.

Lamprecht wrote:In the USA we have freedom of speech outlined in the First Amendment and there are very few exceptions (libel/defamation, shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, threatening imminent violence, etc) and a lot of people - but not all - do believe this is an inalienable human right. And logically it would also apply to people asking "Maybe Hitler did not kill Jews in gas chambers? Maybe they died of disease and starvation due to war-time conditions?"

These questions cannot be asked. If the ADL had its way, you would be charged with a crime for asking them.

The scope of what people can do legally was very broad in the US and it still is to a large extent. The post 9/11 changes did however get a grip on this and the trend persists. The BLM pogroms may serve to justify further encroachments on freedoms and to extend the legal power of the state.

However 'moral forces' made the expression of a set of ideas already a No-No in polite society for many. "Holocaust Denial" is an example. "Racism" another one (which is closely connected to this) and it keeps on extending with Migration policy being another tough cookie there. Ultimately all those postmodern societies are doomed to fail. And the actual question is on how to survive their doomsday and what comes afterwards.

Generation Zyklon shows signs of fatigue. They aren't really that enthusiastic about the Holocaust and the whole hedonism thing isn't that satisfying to them after all. My impression of the U25 is however that they are far to timid, with self-love, but lacking self-respect.

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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Lamprecht » 4 days 16 hours ago (Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:06 am)

RT has a segment about this survey:


Mirror: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N81QSBKu10g

It doesn't add much more than just a summary of the results.
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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Archie » 3 days 20 hours ago (Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:41 am)

In general people do pretty bad on surveys of basic knowledge.

Pervert Alan Dershowitz offers his take below. He spins it as proof that we need even more holocaust indoctrination.



According to the survey, straight up holocaust denial is fairly uncommon. About 1%.

Some of the results did warm my heart though.

"People still talk too much about what happened during the Holocaust"
Millennials: 41% Agree

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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Lamprecht » 3 days 12 hours ago (Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:31 am)

Archie wrote:According to the survey, straight up holocaust denial is fairly uncommon. About 1%.

Archie - yes the issue with "Holocaust denier" is that nobody knows what it means. Check the graph I posted showing how many people believe under 2 million died. There is no way a person can accept the "Holocaust" narrative at all and believe under 2 million died. About 1.5m allegedly were in the 3 AR camps - Treblinka 2, Sobibor and Belzec. There are documents saying that this many were sent to these camps. If they were not "Pure extermination camps" then the "Holocaust" did not happen.
Rudolf & Leuchter have shown that the alleged homicidal gas chamber at Auschwitz lack the cyanide traces they would certainly have from mass gassings. Rudolf, Leuchter and others have also proven the absurdity of these building designs for homicidal gassings.

These people probably thought when asked if they denied it:
"Holocaust denier? You mean someone that says there were no concentration camps or ghettos and the piles of bodies are all fake? No I don't think that!"

I bet if they gave the people being polled 2 short introductory articles by exterminationists and revisionists, or just a brief compare/contrast of their positions (refer to the images I posted in response to fireofice) the results would be different. Some might think:
"Oh, so the deniers are saying that the camps and ghettos and deportations were real, and that something close to 1 million died from various causes, they are just mainly saying that there were no homicidal gas chambers or policy to exterminate all of the Jews? Well that doesn't sound all that far-fetched to me..."

I will also point out again that the sample size here was only 1,000 and split between 50 US states. This is a very tiny sample size. I would like to see an actually honest and straightforward poll given, where the revisionist position is honestly explained and the questions are more fair and honest. I wonder how this could actually be done in a way that the results could not be skewed in some way, so that it is truly randomly selected? Perhaps by impersonating a Jewish organization and sending out emails to university professors asking them if they would allow their students to take an online poll or something. The easiest thing to do would be making the survey, there are a lot of websites that allow you to do this for free.
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Re: Survey: 2/3 of young Americans don't know 6 million, 11% think Jews deserved it, 15% accept "neo-Nazism"

Postby Archie » 2 days 23 hours ago (Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:16 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:Check the graph I posted showing how many people believe under 2 million died. There is no way a person can accept the "Holocaust" narrative at all and believe under 2 million died.


It's hard to know though what proportion of those answers are well-informed. Some people are so clueless they might not even know the answer is supposed to be 6 million. Consider that 9% of millennials said 20 million Jews died. People picking that answer obviously have no idea what's going on and are just going with the biggest number. Some of the other questions also suggest considerable ignorance. About half didn't know who Goebbels or Himmler were, for example.

Here's the full breakdown for question 36 for millennials.

Holocaust happened and numbers are correct 65%
Numbers are "greatly exaggerated" 11%
Myth, did not happen 1%
Not Sure 23%

Again, because we don't know how informed these people are, it makes it a bit hard to interpret. Are the "not sure" people just clueless or are some of them well-informed but legitimately undecided on the issue? Probably mostly the former but one can only guess.

http://www.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Holocaust-Knowledge-and-Awareness-Study-%E2%80%93-Topline-Results-1-1.pdf


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