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79th anniversary of the 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud.

Postby Hannover » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:06 am)

Once they lied they must continue to lie.

Recall that there have been attempts to excavate and display the alleged 34,000 Jew human remains at Babi Yar and as usual no such remains were found.

!! Excavation Result: No Human Remains of alleged 34,000 Jews as claimed at Babi Yar !! In fact, no remains period.': viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

aerial photo of Babi Yar at exact time of the alleged shooting of 34,000 Jews::
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We see nothing.

More links which expose the Babi Yar fraud follow this article. Read on.

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Ukraine marks 79th anniversary of the Babi Yar massacre
Ukraine is marking the 79th anniversary of the Babi Yar massacre, one of the most infamous mass slaughters of World War II
By The Associated Press
September 29, 2020,

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People look an art installation to mark 79th anniversary of the 1941 Babi Yar massacre at a menorah monument close to a Babi Yar ravine where tens of thousands of Jews were killed during WWII, in Kyiv, Ukraine, Tuesday, Sept. 29, 2020. Ukraine marked

Ukraine marked the 79th anniversary of the 1941 Babi Yar massacre. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)

KYIV, Ukraine -- Ukraine on Tuesday marked the 79th anniversary of the Babi Yar massacre, one of the most infamous mass slaughters of World War II.

Babi Yar, a ravine in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv, is where nearly 34,000 Jews were killed within 48 hours in 1941 when the city was under Nazi occupation. The killing was carried out by SS troops along with local collaborators.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy visited the Babi Yar monument on Tuesday and took part in a ceremony commemorating the anniversary of the tragedy.

“Seventy-nine years ago, a black page was inscribed in the common past of the Ukrainian and Jewish people. We bow our heads before all the victims of Babi Yar. And we have no right to forget these terrible crimes,” Zelenskiy said in a statement.

After the ceremony, Ukraine's Minister of Culture Olexandr Tkachenko and World Jewish Congress President Ronald S. Lauder signed a memorandum of understanding and cooperation between the Ukrainian government and the Babyn Yar Holocaust Memorial Center.

The center, where Lauder is a member of the board, plans to open a museum in Kyiv dedicated to the tragedy and unveil it in 2025-2026, according to the center's website.

“The parties to the memorandum called for joint efforts of Ukrainian society, the state, the international community and organizations researching and studying the Holocaust and the tragedy of Babi Yar, aimed at preserving and restoring historical memory, so that it becomes a constant reminder of the price people pay for peace,” Zelenksiy's office said.

Lauder echoed that sentiment.

“We show the world here today that we will work together to stop this age-old hatred and to remember,” he said.
ABC News

also see:
'What Happened at Babi Yar? Fact vs. Myth' / Using air photos and wartime newspapers, Ukrainian writer MICHAEL NIKIFORUK attacks a few myths about a wartime atrocity.: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html

' Babi Yar: Critical Questions and Comments'
http://codoh.com/library/document/920/?lang=en
Bodies at Babi Yar, John Gibbons Reporting
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7302
'Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked': viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41
Babi Yar: The alleged Einsatzgruppen 'Killings'
http://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/
former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396
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Re: 79th anniversary of the 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud.

Postby Hannover » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:28 am)

Breitbart.com even posted some laughable fake photos:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... 4000-jews/

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caption: "This a 1944 file photo of part of the Babi Yar ravine at the outskirts of Kiev, Ukraine where the advancing Red Army unearthed the bodies of civilians killed by fleeing Nazis, 1944."

Yet there were zero remains found when a team of Jews excavated, see OP.
And we see no human remains in the faked photo. Notice no close ups of what looks like a pile of clothing.
"Red Army unearthed the bodies"? No they didn't. We have seen no real photos that support the fake story.
And of course it's claimed that all this was "top secret", yet we have photos? :lol:

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caption: "Nazi SS Special Commanders line up Kiev Jews to execute them with guns and push them in to a ditch, already containing bodies of victims, the Babi Yar Massacre, World War II. "

Again, there are no human remains, just some vague clothing-like objects, lumps. Note the cut and paste job complete with a soldier with a camera .... as if the 'Nazis' would have allowed such record keeping of allegedly top secret war crimes.

Here's what a real excavation, forensic study looks like. Katyn. A site where many thousands of Poles were in fact murdered by the Soviets.
see:
Katyn facts: 'Amtliches Material zum Massenmord von Katyn': viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758
Tons of real photos.

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No wonder that people are arrested and persecuted for exposing such obvious lies. The narrative does not withstand rational, scientific inquiry; hence the need to suppress facts by The Usual Enemies of Free Speech.
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Re: 79th anniversary of the 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud.

Postby HMSendeavour » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:13 pm)

Whenever the Red Army "unearths" something, the instant assumption should be that it was them who committed whatever it is they're going to try and blame on somebody else. They're attempting to scapegoat the Germans. The fact that the Holocaust story and the frauds who propagate it, are forced to rely on the duplicitous "findings" of the Communists, who were also responsible for the false 4 million Auschwitz number is enough to dismiss the lie.

Even the famous Soviet Reichstag photo had to be edited before being published in Communist newspapers and subsequently around the world. Smoke was added to make it appear more dramatic than it was - as if it was a "triumphant" photo taken in the heat of battle, which wasn't true.

You can also see stolen watches worn by one of the men in the photograph that was later removed from the highly publicised versions. Case in point, you literally cannot trust the Soviets with anything.

See the wrists of the man in the middle, notice the watches on both arms:
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These are the men whom we should "trust" to relay the "truth" about an alleged German genocide of Jews of course :lol: . Also, if you look at other versions of this photo online, you will see that there's fake smoked added into it as previously mentioned. here's a close up of the watches:
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See this article published by Der Spiegel about this: https://archive.vn/6wn8g

In regards to the alleged Babi Yar photos, I'm hesitant to say if they're fake. I cannot be sure. But there is certainly no evidence that these photos are of Babi Yar, or a German massacre of any kind. The origin seems to be completely unknown.

So to think that the Soviets aren't beyond faking photographs is absurd. They're more than willing to do so. If it's being said that they "found" these remains, then surely it was also them who took the photos? Or are we expected to believe the Germans went to all the trouble "covering it up", so nobody would ever know, grinding the bones up.......Only to document their crimes with photographs?

Or, are we to believe the Germans DIDN'T go to such lengths as claimed to cover up the bodies, and the Soviets found them and were able to take photographs? How does this make sense at all? It doesn't. There are no remains, this is a fraudulent story on this basis alone. That's ignoring the actual logistics of how the Einsatzgruppen were alleged to have actually carried out this concocted farce.

For a great summary of that, anyone interested should read:
Thomas Dalton, Debating the Holocaust (Castle Hill Publishers, 4th Edition, 2020), Pp. 93, 96 Image http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=32

An excerpt:

The single worst alleged massacre was at Babi Yar, Ukraine. On 29 September 1941, Einsatzgruppe C supposedly slaughtered 33,771 Jews in one day. To accommodate these bodies, they would have had to dig a colossal trench 10 m wide by 100 m long, and 5 m deep. This alone would have been a major construction effort—all for a single day’s killing.


We should also keep in mind the fact that Soviet soldiers were ordered to dress as Germans, particularly SS, and commit atrocities in order to blame it on the Germans.

These photos aren't proof of anything until proven otherwise.

Stalin's "Torchmen's Command"

The Supreme Commander's stawka orders :

1. All settlement points where German troops are located are to be destroyed and set on fire 40 to 60 kilometers from the main battle line and 20 to 30 kilometers to the right and left of the roads. The air force is to be called in to destroy the settlement points in the specified radius, and artillery and grenade launchers are to be used extensively, as are the reconnaissance commands, skiers and partisan division groups, which are equipped with fuel bottles. The hunting commandos are supposed to carry out the extermination operations mainly from booty stocks in uniforms of the German army and the Waffen SS. This stirs up hatred of the fascist occupiers and makes it easier to recruit partisans in the fascist hinterland. Care must be taken to ensure that survivors remain who can report on the "German atrocities".

2. For this purpose, hunting detachments are to be formed in each regiment, with a strength of 20 to 30 men, with the task of blowing up and setting fire to the settlement points. Courageous fighters must be chosen for these actions of the destruction of settlement points. Especially those who destroyed settlement points behind the German lines in opposing uniforms are to be proposed for the award of medals.

3. It is to be spread among the population that the Germans are setting the villages and towns on fire in order to punish the partisans.

Source: Akten der Abteilung Fremde Heere Ost (FHO II) des Generalstabs des Heeres, Bundesarchiv file BA-MA: H3/70, National Archives Mikrofilm T-429, Rolle 461, Blatt 6,439,568; vgl. Fritz Becker, Stalins Blutspur durch Europa, Seite 268 (http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/StalinOrder171141.html Archive: https://archive.vn/IhDci)
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Re: 79th anniversary of the 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud.

Postby Hannover » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:49 pm)

Excellent post, HMSendeavor.

More on Stalin's heinous 'torch-men / torchmen order' here:

Stalin's "Torch-men-Order" #0428 confirmed by Russia
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5804

As an aside; in the film about a Soviet mass murderer of children, Child 44, starring Tom Hardy, who plays a beleaguered KGB officer, there is a bit on the edited Reichstag watch photo.
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Also in that film it's laughably said that Hitler fed prisoners special drugs, “to make them addicted to the blood of children”.
Perhaps a Revisionist statement, a type of 'wink'.

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Re: 79th anniversary of the 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud.

Postby Archie » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:39 pm)

I just checked the Jewish Telegraphic Agency archives and it looks like this alleged massive slaughter was not reported until more than a month after the supposed massacre. Note that JTA did not have anywhere near the same reporting standards as the major newspapers.

The earliest JTA report would seem to be this from October 21st, more than 3 weeks after the event. And it merely says the Jews were expelled from Kiev.
https://www.jta.org/1941/10/21/archive/nazis-drive-jews-in-ukraine-to-unknown-destination-kiev-made-judenrein

The city of Kiev which prior to Nazi occupation had a Jewish population of 150,000 people, is now completely "judenrein" according to a report published in the pro-Nazi Ukrainian newspaper Krakiwski Wisti, published in Cracow.

The paper, which reached here today, states that all the Jews of Kiev were driven out of the city by the Nazi army, immediately after the German troops took control of it. "The last Jew was expelled from Kiev on September 29," the Nazi-controlled Ukrainian paper states.

Describing the expulsion, the Krakiwski Wisti stated that soon after the occupation of the city, all Jews, including men, women and children of all ages, were taken from their homes and driven into barbed-wired enclosures located at the out-skirts of Kiev. From there they were driven on foot to an undisclosed destination. Their fate remains unknown. [...]

The "thoroughness" with which the Nazis expelled the Jews from the Ukraine cities is highly commended in the Krakiwski Wisti. "The military Gestapo has performed a wonderful job in purging these aliens from our Ukrainian soil," the paper writes.

It's not till November 16th, more the six weeks after the event, that they claim that 52,000 Jews had been massacred.
https://www.jta.org/1941/11/16/archive/nazis-execute-52000-jews-in-kiev-smaller-pogroms-in-other-cities
Fifty-two thousand Jews, including man, women and children, were systematically and methodically put to death in Kiev following the Nazi occupation of the Ukrainian capital, according to information received today by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency from an unimpeachable source.

Unimpeachable, I tell you!

Another story on December 31st.
https://www.jta.org/1941/12/31/archive/retreating-nazi-armies-intensify-anti-jewish-terror-in-ukraine
The full story of the massacres of Jews carried out by the Nazi military command will probably not be known until the Soviet army, in its present unceasing drive against the retreating Nazi troops, regains the Jewish-populated cities of Kiev, Berditchev and Zhitomir where the Nazis are reported to have slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews without displaying any mercy even to women and children. Meanwhile, the latest report from Kiev which reached here today through secret channels gives a horrible picture of what has happened to the Jews in that city since the Nazi occupation.

The report reveals that in addition to executing practically the entire Jewish male population of Kiev on the charge that the Jews who remained in the city were "Soviet spies and guerrillas," the Nazi military command ordered thousands of Jews confined in mined cemetery grounds. The victims, most of them women, were then blown up by the exploding mines. Those who survived were machine-gunned to death by the German soldiers. (Earlier reports estimated that 52,000 Jews were murdered in Kiev when the Nazis first occupied the city.)

They say they won't know what happened until the Soviets can investigate yet they'd already reported 52,000 killed the previous month. The blowing them up with mines part seems to have been dropped from the later propaganda.

Then Jan 8, 1942, we have a "report" from the Soviets that's publicized by Molotov.
https://www.jta.org/1942/01/08/archive/u-s-embassy-in-russia-studies-report-of-nazi-massacres-of-jews-russians-in-ukraine
Officials of the American embassy in Soviet Russia today studied detailed figures on the mass-executions by German military authorities in the Ukraine of some 100,000 civilians, the majority of them Jews. The figures are contained in an official note submitted to the embassy yesterday by Vyacheslav Molotoff, Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs.

This 100,000 number is what was used at Nuremberg (IMT Vol 1, page 47-48).

It's only when Molotov reports it that it gets picked up in the NYT with stories on Jan 7th and 8th.
In Kiev, in the course of a few days, 52,000 men and women, particularly old men and children, Russians, Ukrainians, Jews and any one loyal to the Soviet, were killed, he charged.

Note the 52,000 body count matches the number from the earlier November 16th JTA report but JTA said 52,000 Jews whereas Molotov said 52,000 people, only some of whom were Jews.

Lastly, I would note that none of these stories mention "Babi Yar." Rather, there are multiple references to the Jews being killed at a Jewish cemetery. Was there a Jewish cemetery by the Babi Yar ravine? If not, that would seem like a significant contradiction.

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Re: 79th anniversary of the 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud.

Postby Hannover » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:03 pm)

Archie:
Lastly, I would note that none of these stories mention "Babi Yar." Rather, there are multiple references to the Jews being killed at a Jewish cemetery. Was there a Jewish cemetery by the Babi Yar ravine? If not, that would seem like a significant contradiction.


Yes, there was Jewish and a Christian cemetery. Start at page 154 of 'Babi Yar' in John Ball's Air Photos:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/27-ape.pdf

They're also on the aerial I posted in the OP.

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Re: 79th anniversary of the 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud.

Postby PrudentRegret » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:47 pm)

The New York Times was on the scene in 1945, and even they didn’t buy it:

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Re: 79th anniversary of the 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud.

Postby Hannover » 6 months 1 week ago (Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:52 pm)

Here's another fictitious article title & link with the typical fake photos and absurd claims that have been demolished at this forum:

Nazi valley of death: 33,000 Ukrainian Jews were killed in just 48 hours in 1941 - paving the way for the Holocaust… yet it is only now, thanks to a Scotland Yard investigator, that the hideous truth of the Babyn Yar Massacre has emerged:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gator.html

Concerning the fake 'photos' in the propaganda article, I recommend these:

The article uses this:
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It is debunked here:
A Closer look at a German "Atrocity Photo":
http://codoh.com/library/document/a-clo ... -photo/en/
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Then there's this previously exposed Babi Yar fake:
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from:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12648&p=93315&hilit=pile+of+clothes+babi#p93315
"Why are all of the photos supposedly of Babi Yar just a pile of clothes?"

And this previously exposed, laughable Babi Yar beauty from the Times of Israel::
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caption:
"Photo taken from the body of a dead German officer killed in Russia, showing a Nazi firing squad shooting Jews in the back as they sit beside their own mass grave, in Babi Yar, Kiev, 1942."

Another one from the article:
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caption: "A day later, Russian PoWs cover the bodies. Some historians believe it signalled the true start of the Final Solution, the plan devised by Heinrich Himmler and authorised by Hitler to exterminate the entire Jewish race"
LOL
An allegedly top secret massive war crime where the Germans allowed locals to come by, watch, and hang out.

Only lies require fake, altered, & mislabeled photos.

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