General Jodl's wife denied Holocaust claims, "first heard the names Buchenwald and Belsen the day after the surrender"

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General Jodl's wife denied Holocaust claims, "first heard the names Buchenwald and Belsen the day after the surrender"

Postby Sannhet » 2 months 1 day ago (Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:02 am)

On November 8, 1945, a United Press reporter interviewed Luise Jodl (1904?-1998) at Nuremburg. She was the wife of General Alfred Jodl, among highest ranking figures of the German Army throughout the war, as Chief of Operations of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht.

His wife's birth name was: Luise Katharina von Benda. They had been married in 1944 after the death of Jodl's first wife to an illness.
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The summary of the interview and Luise Jodl's basic claims ran over the United Press wire. (United Press, or UP, was a predecessor to today's United Press International, or UPI; both UP and its successor UPI were/are rivals to the bigger Associated Press or AP.)

This is the article at it appeared in the New York paper The Dunkirk Evening Observer on November 8, 1945; this paper printed nothing but UP stories:

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Frau Jodl denies having ever heard anything about any concentration camp atrocities, or even the names of these concentration camps.

Her line "these atrocities" refers specifically to Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen. The UP was, in early November 1945, before the opening of the Nuremburg trial, framing "the Holocaust" (which forty years later this set of facts/allegations/etc. would be called) as something primarily about "Buchenwald and Belsen"!

Also notable that nothing in this brief article specifically mentions gas chambers or Jews.

Col. Gen. Alfred Jodl's wife indicated today that his defense at the war crimes trial will be that he knew nothing about Nazi atrocities and that he was only and officer doing his military duty.
"In his last letter he told me that any real crime should be punished, but he could not see how he was guilty of any crime," she said.
She said she first heard the names Buchenwald and Belsen -- two of the most notorious Nazi concentration camps -- the day after the German surrender.

"I never knew of these atrocities, and neither did my husband," she said.
In case one dismisses Luise Jodl as some kind of "bitter Nazi covering up the gas chambers," note that in the same interview she disparages her own people and the Nazi movement/government by saying:
"[W]e are not politically matured. We have proved that."
In other words, she is in the mood to admit wrongdoing where it existed, but still denies any claim or knowledge of the Holocaust.

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Re: General Jodl's wife denied Holocaust claims, "first heard the names Buchenwald and Belsen the day after the surrende

Postby HMSendeavour » 2 months 20 hours ago (Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:25 am)

Sannhet wrote:note that in the same interview she disparages her own people and the Nazi movement/government by saying:
"[W]e are not politically matured. We have proved that."


Well, if Mrs Jodl were alive to see the 21st century, and if she had any sense in the latter half of the 20th, she certainly should've been thinking differently as to what constituted "political maturity". Because the liberal tyranny we live under right now is most certainly not it.

Liberalism is the historical and logical antechamber of anarchy.

Benito Mussolini, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1932.
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Control is integral to our current state of anarchy. Control is implemented by academic institutions, the traitors and non-white 5th columnists currently in government, the media etc. all of which are flooded by Jewish overrepresentation, or at least have been thoroughly bathed in Jewish morality. This is what's controlling the societal anarchy so prevalent in our countries.

There's no unity whatsoever in our societies, just avid consumerism, licentious filth, hyper-white individualism and squabbling over unimportant social nonsense. The solution to our problems is always temporary and usually left in the hands of our vices, which only causes more intrinsic societal problems. I guess you could say that Democracy and Liberalism is the pinnacle of politically matured totalitarian tyranny. The element of control still exists despite the illusion of "choice"; the mobilisation of the masses for support of modern dogmas is immensely successful. In fact, if you do not participate in the causes the regime has decreed we must (Climate fear mongering, Negro worship in the form of BLM, Lysenkoism, Covid-19 hysteria, Globo-Homo agenda, etc.) , or if you're not enthusiastic enough for the manufactured social outrage at these causes, you thereby become a pariah and your commitment to the cause and to the political establishment is called into question. You become isolated in your personal life, from your job (if you're not fired) and censored on the internet. There's no respite, not even in your own mind. In that sense the system of control has been advanced as much by technology as it has through the maturity of politics.

We know, of course, that there is no freedom of speech. But few persons realise that there is no freedom of silence, either. Residents of a communist state are required to make positive statements of belief and loyalty.

Hu Shi, Liberal Chinese Philosopher, quoted in: Frank Dikotter, The Tragedy of Liberation: A History of the Chinese Revolution 1945-1957 (Bloomsbury, 2015), Pp. 185.

Now, I'm not saying we live in a communist state, the people who say that are too eager to associate trends and things that correlate with Communism to our current political predicament. It's not that easy. We don't live in a communist state just yet, but you can see very clearly the cultural marxism that exists on the surface and the push for communistic economic "reforms". Communism is itself the precursor to the "ideal" Anarchy, and Liberalism can be usurped because it doesn't have a backbone, which is it's primary characteristic.
Now what does it mean for the independent expert witness Van Pelt? In his eyes he had two possibilities. Either to confirm the Holocaust story, or to go insane. - Germar Rudolf, 13th IHR Conference.

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Re: General Jodl's wife denied Holocaust claims, "first heard the names Buchenwald and Belsen the day after the surrende

Postby Sannhet » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:30 am)

HMSendeavour wrote:The element of control still exists despite the illusion of "choice"; the mobilisation of the masses for support of modern dogmas is immensely successful. In fact, if you do not participate in the causes the regime has decreed we must (Climate fear mongering, Negro worship in the form of BLM, Lysenkoism, Covid-19 hysteria, Globo-Homo agenda, etc.) , or if you're not enthusiastic enough for the manufactured social outrage at these causes, you thereby become a pariah and your commitment to the cause and to the political establishment is called into question. You become isolated in your personal life, from your job (if you're not fired) and censored on the internet. There's no respite, not even in your own mind. In that sense the system of control has been advanced as much by technology as it has through the maturity of politics.

This is a worthwhile reaction to that line by Luise Jodl 75 years ago.

Luise Jodl was born in or about 1904. Those turning seventeen years old this year (2021) were born exactly a century later.

Flashing forward a cool century from Frau Jodl's timeline: What will the Germans born in 2004 be saying in 2045 about "political maturity"?

Will the Holocaust still have hegemonic control in 2045 as it has for the past several decades? That we don't know. But we do know the approximate system, mindset, and Weltanschauung into which the b.2000s cohort (now ages 11 to 21), those a century junior to Mrs. Jodl in age, have been socialized into. Is it political maturity to have a state cult dedicated to often-dubious claims that your own nation is the epitome of Evil in world history?

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Re: General Jodl's wife denied Holocaust claims, "first heard the names Buchenwald and Belsen the day after the surrende

Postby Sannhet » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:40 am)

Interesting discovery about Luise Jodl:

Her mother was British.

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Luise Jodl wrote a personal appeal for clemency to Winston Churchill in early October 1946, about two weeks before the execution of her husband, Field Marshal Alfred Jodl, at Nuremberg. (Churchill was no longer Prime Minister but was Leader of the Opposition, with more prestige than the actual Prime Minister, Clement Atlee of the Labour Party.) She hoped her British family connection might elicit sympathy from Winston Churchill.

The contents of her letter were summarized in the Sydney Morning Herald, Oct. 5, 1946, page 1:
Fraud Jodl has sent a message to Mr. Churchill, appealing for his intervention on behalf of her husband.

"You were always proud of being a soldier," says the message. "You were the mast when, in deadly peril, Britain kept her flag flying. As the daughter of a British-born mother I appeal to you as a soldier to give your support for the life of my husband, who, like you, did nothing but fight for his country."

I don't know if these few lines are the full text of the letter or if there is more.

I believe the wording here suggests a few things about the general state of "the Holocaust" as of October 1946, its relevance to the overall Nuremberg trial, to the significance of the war, and even to world history. Namely, this:

Luise Jodl understood that Alfred Jodl had been sentenced to death for the crime of waging aggressive war, not for any kind of direct or indirect involvement in "the Holocaust" as we now understand it. She says nothing about the Holocaust, not even to deny Alfred Jodl's involvement i (or point out non-involvement in) gassings or executions of Jews, anything like that.

Maybe there is more to the letter and maybe she does say things like that, in which case we still have the Sydney Morning Herald editors strangely omitting any mention of the Holocaust of the Jews.

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Re: General Jodl's wife denied Holocaust claims, "first heard the names Buchenwald and Belsen the day after the surrende

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:31 pm)

Sannhet wrote:Luise Jodl understood that Alfred Jodl had been sentenced to death for the crime of waging aggressive war, not for any kind of direct or indirect involvement in "the Holocaust" as we now understand it. She says nothing about the Holocaust, not even to deny Alfred Jodl's involvement i (or point out non-involvement in) gassings or executions of Jews, anything like that.

Jodl was a high ranking officer in the Wehrmacht, he had nothing to do with the concentration camps. He signed the Commando & Commissar Orders, which had nothing to do with Jews. He was also accused of being involved in the shooting of Soviet POWs. At Nuremberg, Jodl said that he:
"...never heard, either by hint or by written or spoken word, of an extermination of Jews."
He also said:
"I have never had any private information on the extermination of the Jews; and on my word, as sure as I am sitting here, I heard all these things for the first time after the end of the war." (4 June 1946, https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/06-04-46.asp)
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


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