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Communist Atrocities Buried by Wikipedia

Postby HMSendeavour » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:01 pm)

An article published by Fox News around the 19th of February has brought to light the open secret of Wikipedia's Leftist bias:

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"The days of Wikipedia's robust commitment to neutrality are long gone," co-founder Larry Sanger said.


Big tech has faced repeated accusations of bias and censorship, but one platform has escaped much scrutiny: Wikipedia.

The online encyclopedia, which claims "anyone can edit", is the 13th most popular website in the world, according to Alexa's web rankings. Google gives it special placement in search results.

But critics – including Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger – tell Fox News that many Wikipedia pages have become merely left-wing advocacy essays.

"The days of Wikipedia's robust commitment to neutrality are long gone," co-founder Larry Sanger said.

"Wikipedia's ideological and religious bias is real and troubling, particularly in a resource that continues to be treated by many as an unbiased reference work," he added.

Wikipedia pages related to socialism and communism contain stark examples.

The two main pages for "Socialism" and "Communism" span a massive 28,000 words, and yet they contain no discussion of the genocides committed by socialist and communist regimes, in which tens of millions of people were murdered and starved.

"The omission of large-scale mass murder, slave labor, and man-made famines is negligent and deeply misleading," economics professor Bryan Caplan, who has studied the history of communism, told Fox News.


The pages include plenty of history, Caplan noted, and are not confined to just philosophical claims. But the history focuses on flattering claims.

Wikipedia’s Socialism page announces: "The Soviet era saw some of the most significant technological achievements of the 20th century."

It ignores a man-made famine in which Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin commandeered the food from regions like Ukraine and Kazakhstan, leaving millions to starve to death even as the Soviet Union exported grain to foreign countries.

Asked for comment, a Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson sent a statement noting that "Wikipedia is a living, breathing project, and is always evolving just as our shared understanding of a topic does." The response also noted that the foundation does not directly control content on Wikipedia, which is written by volunteer editors. The statement did not address any specific criticisms of the content.

The Wikipedia socialism page also mentions China’s Communist history, but only begins its description in 1976, after Mao Zedong’s reign of terror had already killed tens of millions.

"After Mao Zedong's death in 1976... China's economic performance pulled an estimated 150 million peasants out of poverty," the encyclopedia says.

The article fails to mention Mao’s prior communist programs such as his "Great Leap Forward", in which private farming was abolished, leading to mass famine that killed tens of millions.

It also neglects to mention Mao’s "Cultural Revolution", in which, according to the History Channel, "Millions of young radicals who formed the paramilitary Red Guards shut down schools, destroyed religious and cultural relics and killed intellectuals and party elites believed to be anti-revolutionaries."

Wikipedia does maintain less central sub-pages that contain facts such as those, as well as a page titled "Mass killings under communist regimes." But it gets no discussion on the main pages; merely a stray link at the very end under a "see also" heading.

Chinese-American immigrant Lily Tang Williams, who lived through Mao’s cultural revolution, says she’s outraged by Wikipedia’s focus.

"Who writes this stuff? Trying to whitewash crimes against humanity?" she asked.

"What about students, who now will not know the real history of what happened? Or even teachers who won’t know?" she asked. Tang Williams volunteers at schools to teach kids about the history of communism in China, and her personal experience with it. She also presents it on her YouTube channel.

"I went through the entire 10 years of Mao’s Cultural Revolution, as child. I witnessed it," she said. "Of course I was extremely brainwashed -- we just did not know any truths at all, it was like living on a concentration camp. 6:30am every morning a loudspeaker comes on and tells you about the news and chants ‘long live chairman Mao.’ The memory of my childhood… we were hungry all the time. It was constant chaos."

The two main Socialism and Capitalism pages also fail to note any of the atrocities committed by other socialist and communist regimes, from Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Cambodia, or North Korea, among others.

Wikipedia bills itself as the "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." But experienced Wikipedians say new users will find they cannot simply fix things.

One prolific Wikipedia editor, Jonathan Weiss, told Fox News that "bias on Wikipedia somewhat reflects the bias in academia and journalism. It’s easier to find an open Marxist rather than a center-right conservative," he said.

Weiss mentioned one Wikipedia "administrator" as an example. Administrators are a select group of people who make final calls about what goes on pages. One has a photo of Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin on their profile paired with a Lenin quote about how even "The most democratic bourgeois republics" are "organs of class oppression."

Weiss is in the top 100 Wikipedia editors by contributions, having made more than 415,142 edits on the site since 2006, mostly on sports-related pages.

But he said that the political pages have largely been taken over by editors with a political axe to grind.

"If you’re the only one who’s not a Marxist on a page, you’re going to lose," he said. "It can quickly be disheartening."

The talk pages show that various users attempted to add balance to the socialism and communism pages. In 2020, for example, longtime Wikipedia volunteer "Narssarssuaq" added a mention to the communism page about the atrocities committed, sourced to a Harvard University Press publication, but the edit was quickly erased by other editors.

"Communism didn't kill these people; Stalin did," one user argued. "I’ve always been bothered by the concept that famines are caused by communism."

The user, "Narssarssuaq" later quit Wikipedia (not necessarily over the communism page).

"Right now my conscience does not allow me to contribute to this project, not even with attempts to provide balance to biased articles," he wrote in a goodbye message.

"The era of Wikipedia… is over," he said.

Encyclopedia Britannica provides one alternative. A study by Harvard researchers published in a peer-reviewed journal concluded that, "we find that Wikipedia articles are more slanted towards Democratic views than are Britannica articles, as well as more biased."

Asked for comment about the study, a Wikimedia spokesperson noted that the study also "shows how the more people edit an article, the more neutral it becomes." She also pointed to another study that found that page quality is higher when editors are more politically diverse, and lower when they think alike.

Weiss said the only hope for Wikipedia achieving more balance is if many more non-leftist editors join Wikipedia. But it can feel like a futile effort, as new editors find themselves outnumbered on political pages, with edits for balance deleted. Weiss suggested that new editors cut their teeth on non-political pages.

Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger says that the deck is too stacked on Wikipedia for it to ever be salvaged, and he is now working on a protocol called "Encyclosphere" to facilitate other encyclopedias.

Asked about whether the site was too far gone to fix, Weiss said he had hope.

"I’m a person who’s already dropped 10,000 hours of my life on Wikipedia, but it is disheartening," Weiss said.

"But I think it’s in theory salvageable. I’m not giving up yet," he said.


It doesn't take very long to recognize the hypocrisies, imagine if anyone said or did the the things these Wikipedia Communists say and do but in context of 'the Nazis' and the Holocaust. There would not only be systematic outrage, but systematic punishment.

Nobody could get away with saying that "Hitler and National Socialism did not kill the Jews, Himmler did". Yet, this is what David Irving says, and he is probably one of the most hated historians alive. Funny about that.

It's pretty fortuitous that this article came to my attention actually, because I had been viewing some of these mentioned Wikipedia pages in the last few weeks and was astonished at the amount of apologism for these atrocities you can find. Such pages, like the one mentioned above pertaining to the 'mass killings under communist regimes' has a very "balanced" tone, yet clearly prioritizes information that exonerates the Communist atrocities as much as possible, while only citing conflicting sources in passing but not in detail which gives the page a veneer of objectify that in reality doesn't exist.

Some pages are outright positive in tone, prioritizing the elaboration of Marxist philosophy rather than the genocidal results of that philosophy. Some authors, such as the Stalin apologist Stephen Wheatcroft ignore the Soviet famines and do not include the millions who died as a result in the numbers for those killed by Stalin and his Communist system - as he claims, as do others - that the Holodomor was the result of 'bad policy' rather than deliberate murder. Clearly, this is nonsense, and makes no difference to the millions of peasants who were starved to death due to Soviet policy, deliberate or not. No such distinction would be made, or has been allowed in terms of discussion about the Holocaust. This is just one example of the double standards.
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Re: Communist Atrocities Buried by Wikipedia

Postby Kretschmer » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:33 pm)

Personally, I only use Wikipedia as a cursory source for digging through non-political information, and even then it has a tendency to be either superficial or unreliable. As one could guess, virtually nothing it has to say about National Socialism or German history in general from 1919 - 1945 is reliable.

A prominent example (besides every single one of its articles relating to the Holocaust) is its entire article devoted to the so-called "Periclean Age" that was the Weimar Republic, and yet it has no articles written in the same tone about the much, much larger number of actual scientific and artistic achievements that happened under Hitler's leadership.
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Re: Communist Atrocities Buried by Wikipedia

Postby Hannover » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:22 pm)

It's no surprise given the effort that Zionists / Jew supremacists put into controlling Wikipedia.

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Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet
http://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-a ... =wikipedia

Wikipedia Bosses Propose ‘Code of Conduct’ Advancing Left-wing Identity Politics
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/09/ ... -politics/

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Re: Communist Atrocities Buried by Wikipedia

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:14 pm)

Kretschmer wrote:....
A prominent example (besides every single one of its articles relating to the Holocaust) is its entire article devoted to the so-called "Periclean Age" that was the Weimar Republic, and yet it has no articles written in the same tone about the much, much larger number of actual scientific and artistic achievements that happened under Hitler's leadership.


I'm pretty certain most Germans didn't experience the "Weimar Republic" before 1933 as some kind of Periclean age. It was a period of impoverishment for most and also moral decay. That's why virtually nobody really motivated to defend it, when the NSDAP took over. Of course there were some die-hards and they were also rather sceptical during the time-after, but early NS-achievements were hard to argue against.

Weimar had the "reparations" (an euphemism for war loot) problem, hyperinflation, unemployment, underpayment of employed people and a larger number of other problems involving corruption and scams. The world economic crisis gave it the rest. It is actually surprising that not more people did vote for the NSDAP earlier. But this got partially to do with allegiance to some of the parties like the Centrum (mostly catholic churchgoers) and the SPD (trade unions provided a platform). Those engaged in those parties weren't to happy with the take-over, but they weren't enthusiastic opponents neither. Why anyway, they got jobs, payment and social services now and the overall working conditions were improving. That is until later stages of the war, when rationing, and imprisonment took place for those stepping out of line then. The memory of older Germans is partially blurred by this, but I recall quite a lot of contemporaries that emphasised economic and social improvement during the 1930s. Soldiers have memories of their service and comradeship with their fellow soldiers then, but also mixed emotions. War isn't exactly a holiday vacation.

As for treatment of Communism on Wiki. There is a clear bias there in the treatment, I suspect quite some Western Leftists, but also Eastern ex-Nomenklatura folks being engaged in this. There is some pressure on the Western ex-Soviet Colonies not to "compare Communist Atrocities" to the Holocaust. Hirshe-Dovid Kats being a primary example of an activist involved in that field. I won't be surprised if he is involved with wiki as well, but if not him people of that kind or even connected with him will be.

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Re: Communist Atrocities Buried by Wikipedia

Postby Kretschmer » 1 month 1 week ago (Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:31 am)

Another great place to look for Wikipedia's obvious leftist bias is its article on political prisoners (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_prisoner.) While the list of notable historic political prisoners in the article includes the likes of Nelson Mandela and Dilma Rousseff (both Marxist guerrillas who fought as illegal combatants and were thus liable to criminal punishment), not a single Holocaust revisionist, let alone any significant figure on the far-right spectrum, is given a mention.

There's also this line too, which I found hilarious:
In Nazi Germany, socialists and communists were among the first victims of fascist repression, later groups like the "Night and Fog" prisoners and priests.

Whether one considers National Socialism a branch of Fascism or not, the way in which this line is worded still sounds like something straight out of an old Soviet textbook from the 1970's. And of course, it is obligatory that I mention that National Socialist Germany did not repress Socialists; it repressed those who adhered to the wide spectrum of Marxism in particular. The lie that Germany also persecuted priests over nothing more than religion has also been thoroughly debunked here.
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Re: Communist Atrocities Buried by Wikipedia

Postby borjastick » 1 month 1 week ago (Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:03 pm)

Because communism is judaism and judaism is communism. These people don't want to be associated with or grouped together by anyone who has two brain cells or more and who can connect the dots. The extreme communist cabal from Lenin and Trotsky onwards were either all jews or very much linked with the jew and it resulted in terrible crimes against their own people.

So as the saying goes 'Shut It Down'.
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Re: Communist Atrocities Buried by Wikipedia

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 pm)

borjastick wrote:Because communism is judaism and judaism is communism. These people don't want to be associated with or grouped together by anyone who has two brain cells or more and who can connect the dots. The extreme communist cabal from Lenin and Trotsky onwards were either all jews or very much linked with the jew and it resulted in terrible crimes against their own people.

So as the saying goes 'Shut It Down'.

It's a bit more ethnic networking based, then strictly religious though. Although Marxism is indeed like degenerated religion, while professing Atheism and Materialism. People should perhaps also look at the Frankists as a movement in Judaism.


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