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Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby HMSendeavour » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:30 am)

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In this thread, Wyatt repeatedly insults people who aren't as easily convinced as he is of alleged gassings at Auschwitz by posting these photographs which, according to him "prove" there were introduction holes into the alleged gas chambers!

These photos have been discussed at length by revisionists and do not at all support the conclusion made by Wyatt.

All of the believer Holocaust historians ignore essential elements of these photographs in order to justify the conclusions that these objects are Zyklon B introduction columns, which they cannot be.

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Germar Rudolf, The Chemistry of Auschwitz (Castle Hill Publishers, April 2020), Pp. 133.


Rudolf shows that these objects in the train photograph cannot possibly be Zyklon B introduction holes. He states:

If these objects are really Zyklon-B-introduction shafts, as Pressac believes, then one must assume that the objects are:

a) of equal size
b) regularly aligned
c) evenly distributed along the roof
d) nearly the same color and
e) casting approximately the same shadows.

Figure 77 points out the outlines of the cellar, indicating its breadth as well as the approximate width of the three objects. Despite the mediocre resolution of the photograph, it may be concluded that these objects are of differing widths, not evenly distributed over the roof, but stand, on the contrary, close together.

It also seems peculiar that the shady side of the first object seen from the left, compared with those of the other two objects, is remarkably light in color. Figure 79 shows the alignment of perspective, viewed from above, on which these objects can possibly be located (Boisdefeu 1994, p. 168). As none of the requirements set forth above is met, the argument that these objects are above roof parts of Zyklon-B-introduction shafts must be rejected.

Germar Rudolf, The Chemistry of Auschwitz (Castle Hill Publishers, April 2020), Pp. 132-133.


And we have photographs of the same roof from January 20, 1943 and Summer 1943, which show no holes, no columns, nothing whatsoever:

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Germar Rudolf, The Chemistry of Auschwitz (Castle Hill Publishers, April 2020), Pp. 134.


We also know (as you can see in the above photograph) that there was construction work being done at the time. Seeing as this is the case, it's only too likely that the space on the alleged "gas chamber" was being used to place materials, which is why in February 1943 we see some misshapen objects on the roof.

Germar writes:

It will therefore be necessary to find another explanation for the objects in the photograph taken in February 1943, such as, for example, that some sort of objects had been placed on the roof – perhaps in the course of constructing the building, undertakings which were obviously still underway – or less likely that the picture has been retouched at a later date.

Ibid.


So what were these holes? Probably, as David Irving and Mattogno agree, tar or bitumen (a binding agent) used for insulation of the roof, as you can see being built in the photograph from January 1943.

To read about both photographs in full, see these works:

Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 1
Dissecting the Holocaust—The Growing Critique of ‘Truth’ and ‘Memory’, Pp. 338-342.

Holocaust Handbook, Volume 2
The Chemistry of Auschwitz—The Technology and Toxicology of Zyklon B and the Gas Chambers, Pp. 132-167.

Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 18
Auschwitz Lies—Legends, Lies, and Prejudices on the Holocaust, Pp. 373-406.
PDF | Archive


Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 22
The Real Case for Auschwitz—Robert van Pelt’s Evidence from the Irving Trial Critically Reviewed, Pp. 432-439.
PDF | Archive


Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 27
Air-Photo Evidence—World War Two Photos of Alleged Mass Murder Sites Analyzed, Pp. 64-65, 67, 83.
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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby borjastick » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:47 am)

Wasn't it the case that Wyatt was here at one time and couldn't stand the heat of intellectual disagreement etc?

He's just a foul mouthed bully.

So Wyatt old chap if you think you are in the know and think you're good enough come here and try these tactics on. I challenge you old boy. I'm in the mood for food...
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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:38 pm)

Borjastick:
Wasn't it the case that Wyatt was here at one time and couldn't stand the heat of intellectual disagreement etc?

Wyatt was one of those trolls that decided to deliberately break the simplest rules (no name-calling, etc) just so he could whine about being censored. Anyone can read his posts here: search.php?author_id=4556&sr=posts
And more responses to his tweets: search.php?keywords=wyatt

Another exterminationist poster, Pon, actually tried to have a civilized discourse on the subject and as a result his posts were not deleted. Here is a related thread where Pon tried to argue that these marks from the aerial photographs were proof of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz:

Pon's Auschwitz Aerial photographs
viewtopic.php?t=12764

HMS:
All of the believer Holocaust historians ignore essential elements of these photographs in order to justify the conclusions that these objects are Zyklon B introduction columns, which they cannot be.

Exterminationist Provan doesn't even believe these marks are the alleged Zyklon-B induction holes. As I showed in the above-linked thread:
Lamprecht wrote:Exterminationist Provan claims that it is wrong to see these marks as vents, and they may be faked:
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On the next page, Provan states "we are hesitant to use the aerial photographs as proof that there were roof vents for Zyklon B"
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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Moderator » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pm)

Lamprecht:
Wyatt was one of those trolls that decided to deliberately break the simplest rules (no name-calling, etc) just so he could whine about being censored.

Wyatt is not banned, never has been. He can post any time he wishes.
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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Hektor » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:05 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:Borjastick:
Wasn't it the case that Wyatt was here at one time and couldn't stand the heat of intellectual disagreement etc?

.....
Another exterminationist poster, Pon, actually tried to have a civilized discourse on the subject and as a result his posts were not deleted. Here is a related thread where Pon tried to argue that these marks from the aerial photographs were proof of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz:

Pon's Auschwitz Aerial photographs
viewtopic.php?t=12764
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That's a bit far fetched. At best those marks would be indicators of objects or decolouration on the tops of the basements of the Krema.
Even if there were holes, what would that actually proof? On some of the photos it looks like marks being made with a pencil and that hints at sloppy manipulation.

The thing is of course, if the roofs of the morgues were rock solid, by what way could the Zyklon B possibly inserted into the morgue? If it was different than what alleged "eye witnesses" say, what does it say about the credibility of the testimony? It's essentially the No Holes - No Holocaust argument.

An even bigger question would be why the history of the rooms, alleged to be the rooms that were the most people in history were murdered, is so poorly investigated by historians. Did they simply take for granted what somebody said (as hearsay or at show trials)? Weren't they interested in details, scrutiny and how the thing actually worked.

The problem is of course that the material evidence doesn't support the narrative and any technically minded person taking an objective look can see that. Of course nothing that would it make into the bestseller lists in the book trade, you'd find it difficult to get book shops placing orders for this (in relevant countries I mean, like Germany, etc.). The book-shops are either run by ideologues or simply people that fear repercussions from those that don't want such books to be published.

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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Hannover » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:55 pm)

Amateur Hour Wyatt really shouldn't talk about subjects he knows nothing about.
But then, this is the impossible 'holocaust' where irrational True Believers have no clue.

More proof of fraud:
Non-existent 'holes' / Zyklon-B induction openings / 'little chimneys' that they had to pencil in:
i.e.:
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and fake, drawn in 'Auschwitz Jews being marched to gas chambers', ON A ROOF.
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And as posted previously, a photo of the rooftop of crematorium no. 2 at Auschwitz / alleged 'gas chamber':
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Taken January/February 1943, notice there are no little 'chimneys' / columns / holes that are alleged for the alleged insertion of Zyklon-B / cyanide.
The 'chimneys' / columns are claimed to have been ca. 2 feet high. The snow is 2-3 inches high. According to Auschwitz "expert" Robert Jan Van Pelt the 'chimneys' / insertion columns, which were said to protrude out from the roof, were added as an adaptation in August, 1942.

see threads:
Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3249
and:
VIDEO classic: Auschwitz Aerial photos, tampered with to fit the fake story / by John Ball
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11669

There is also this breakdown of the allegations concerning the 'gas chambers' at Auschwitz:
For a thorough demolition of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11143&p=83723&hilit=model+asmarques#p83723
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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby david2923 » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:15 pm)

Is not the roof size of this room to shown hole size ratio a bit off? would it not be very big holes?
6 inch pipe would have been plenty to drop in Zyklon
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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Marley775 » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:23 pm)

Not related to Krema II but this ground picture of Krema III taken few days before it startup does not show any chimneys on the roof of morgue 1.

http://imgur.com/1EyzhkV

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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby HMSendeavour » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:46 pm)

david2923 wrote:Is not the roof size of this room to shown hole size ratio a bit off? would it not be very big holes?
6 inch pipe would have been plenty to drop in Zyklon


Germar points out that the alleged Kula columns would not have fit in the "holes" in these alleged photographs. Either way, the believer's have a problem to tackle, which they cannot solve.
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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Hannover » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:10 am)

HMSendeavour wrote:
david2923 wrote:Is not the roof size of this room to shown hole size ratio a bit off? would it not be very big holes?
6 inch pipe would have been plenty to drop in Zyklon


Germar points out that the alleged Kula columns would not have fit in the "holes" in these alleged photographs. Either way, the believer's have a problem to tackle, which they cannot solve.

Indeed, HMS, I suggest that readers see the ridiculous claims about the phantom 'Kula columns' debunked here:

Germar Rudolf demolishes the alleged Zyklon-B 'Kula Columns'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10949

Also included in this thread:

'Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111

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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Hektor » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:48 am)

david2923 wrote:Is not the roof size of this room to shown hole size ratio a bit off? would it not be very big holes?
6 inch pipe would have been plenty to drop in Zyklon


In fact the smaller the better. It only would need to take the can or if you want some column into it. And a pipe on the roof would be sufficient with this. Although the method isn't really up to task anyway. The Kula-Column nonsense is inefficient and dangerous to operators. Even just dropping the pallets through the roof is. Zyklon B was in demand for other urgent applications as well (delousing). An easier method would have been just to burnout the oxygen and that way suffocate people inside, would take longer, but the bottleneck were anyway on the cremation side - plus your mini-lift of course. Why construct it in a way that you would require a lift anyway? The story is loaded with so many impracticalities, implausibilities and outright nonsense, that it simply isn't believable. If you weight in that those stories were essentially fodder for propaganda machines to justify the war effort and serve as motivational myth to Zionists and Communist efforts, then it can neither be accepted for orderly court proceedings, nor for decent historiography. And that is the part that is left out from the history books. NS-Germany had its propaganda minister (ardent student of Bernays book propaganda), why not mention that the Soviet state had its own propaganda arm, while the British engaged in Black propaganda and the Americans had their psychological warfare divisions, which were very interested in finding useful props in concentration camps. In fact that was so blatantly done, that one must be outright stupid to see that a macabre game has been played on people.

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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby david2923 » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:27 pm)

Ok 4 inch or even 2 inch with a funnel
Water came down instead of the gas :drunken:

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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Turpitz » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:59 am)

But, in 1945 when the commies entered the camp they couldn't be bothered to film, or photograph any of the four Kremas, even though they had film cameras with them. What a convenient, missed opportunity!

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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby HMSendeavour » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:04 am)

Turpitz wrote:But, in 1945 when the commies entered the camp they couldn't be bothered to film, or photograph any of the four Kremas, even though they had film cameras with them. What a convenient, missed opportunity!


Funny too, a friend of mine told me recently that he had a great-grandfather or great uncle who was a camp photographer during the Liberation of many of these concentration camps and took some recognizable photos. He told me this grandfather/uncle believed in the Holocaust, but over time started to deny it, until he flat out refused to believe the story whatsoever.

I cannot verify how true this is, just a third or fourth hand anecdote.
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Re: Wyatt's Aerial Photographs "proving" Gas Chamber holes

Postby Hektor » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:31 pm)

HMSendeavour wrote:
Turpitz wrote:But, in 1945 when the commies entered the camp they couldn't be bothered to film, or photograph any of the four Kremas, even though they had film cameras with them. What a convenient, missed opportunity!


Funny too, a friend of mine told me recently that he had a great-grandfather or great uncle who was a camp photographer during the Liberation of many of these concentration camps and took some recognizable photos. He told me this grandfather/uncle believed in the Holocaust, but over time started to deny it, until he flat out refused to believe the story whatsoever.

I cannot verify how true this is, just a third or fourth hand anecdote.


It's unfortunate that many potential witnesses never put down their own stories or biographies (Which needs skill and quite some effort, so I'm not judgmental there). That accounts especially for those that smelled a rat in this or deviate in any way from the officious narrative. But perhaps my statement is premature. It isn't impossible that in some boxes under the rooftop there are still some letters or writings put down by people that had some experiences not in line with what's mostly retold on TV up to now. They just need to be found. At the time being alternative views weren't exactly popular. If someone wrote articles or even a book on them, he'd probably struggle to find a publisher for it. And in the cases, like the ones of Thies Christophersen, his past was held against him. Funny how that is never the case with narrative-affirming witnesses. That's also something that those more prone on writing down experiences from their memory noticed. And there was probably an attitude of: "Well, I know that what they report is grossly distorted, but who would listen to me any way." - Bear in mind that the standard reply of Germans that were grown ups during the NS-era was: "We did not know about this" - This is held against them already as some form of "denial", since they must have noticed that "it" happened, just didn't want to admit it. Someone that was 20 in 1945 would be 96 this year. An an only few people exceed with a fully functioning mind. And well, I wonder how many get killed by that vax now sitting in an frail care home. Bear in mind that in Germany the atmosphere against people from that era also grew more hostile for several decades now, after gaslighting the general population with "the Holocaust". So the last potential witnesses are dying out and they probably shut up about it anyway after cleaners, cooks and camp clercs were dragged in front of courts for their alleged "participation in war crimes". Meanwhile crimes against German people went virtually all unpunished and before the "they had it coming"-excuse comes up - I'm also talking about the thousands of crimes and injuries they underwent prior to WW2.

But I digress. It isn't impossible that there are more photos from Auschwitz are still existing, yet unpublished. And over the last decades some have been published. Like this one relating to Auschwitz:
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The article actually cuts out the caption "Die Umsiedlung der Juden aus Ungarn":
https://www.mdr.de/zeitreise/schwerpunk ... tz100.html
I guess because it doesn't fit the myth. Now you can imagine what happens with photos that are even less supportive of what they want to make people believe.


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