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Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detected!

Postby neocon » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:49 am)

http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mens ... 46,00.html
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/jhome/15126

British scientists are able to detect even completely dissolved
Bodys by the Traces of the Iron contained in the red blood particles
(Haemoglobin).

So the Treblinka soil has to be so like mega iron-enriched that one
could start a profitable iron-mining business!

Please! Can we collect some money and start a Iron-detection
Expedition into the polish Bermuda Triangle!

Modern Science rulez. No Chance that the Nazis could have
known, what forensic Science can do in 2004.

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Postby Willing to Learn » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:32 pm)

I just started learning German this year, so that first article is giving me a little bit of trouble. :shock: :D

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Postby neocon » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:01 am)

Iron from Corpses

Magnetic Ghosts reveal old Graves

The metal jewels and swords are made of is most of the time is the ohly thing which tells of the location of old graves after many centuries.
British Scientists can now detect with extremely sensitive Scanners the tiny iron traces that dissolved bodys leave in the soil.

The metal detector is the best frient of the archaeologist. when ever they went to search for old graves they found with their detectors swords, coins and other metallic stuff from the graves.

the traces of the bodys themselves are mostly undetectable. especially in
sour soil the bodys decompose almost completely and leave at most a weak color in the soil.

British scientists from different institutes may have found the solution to the problem: with high-resolution scanners they were able to detect the extremely weak magnetic signatire of human remains in the soil - by searching for iron which is contained in the red blood color haemoglobin and which stays in the soil even after the decomposition of the body.

Neil Linford from the English Heritage Foundation has applied the new technology on two well known antique burial grounds with success, as he told in the Magazine "Archaeological Prospection" (Bd. 11, Nr. 3, S. 167).

The Geophysicist looked at soil samples of a roman burial ground and a 1200 year old Anglo-Saxon burial ground. In both cases he detected typical changes of the magnetic structure of the soil in relation to samples that had not come from burial grounds.

"a related technique was untill now only used in investigations, that took
place more on the surface of the soil" Linford explained to Spiegel Online.
Despite of the success the Scientist warned: "The Place where we tested
the new technique was well known.". Also only in two cases Soil Samples
were looked at with the new Method, so the Technique has to prove itself
in other Cases.

[Magnetic Picture of an anglosaxon grave with painted-in drawing
of the skelaton: iron traces of human decomposition]

[Gradiometer-Picture of an english farm with traces of a roman
burial ground. Corpses left iron Traces behind]

--- end of seppl translation ---

This was surely not an Anglo-Saxon "Mass Grave".
So the new Technique has to prove itself in like Treblinka since
the Suspicion is, that Treblinka is a Hoax. I can see all the zionist
Helpers walking around in the Treblinka Area and with their Hands
in their pockets dispersing iron powder thru little holes in their pockets
hehe...

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Re: Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detec

Postby Dolma » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:11 pm)

neocon:

I can see all the zionist helpers walking around in the Treblinka area and with their hands in their pockets dispersing iron powder thru little holes in their pockets hehe...


Jews have been filmed planting evidence at Treblinka neocon:

Jew filmed planting evidence at Treblinka

From all that I've been learning about Jews, doing something like planting evidence to further their agenda is standard operating proceedure.
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Re: Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detec

Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:42 am)

Could be combined with this technique: hermod @ The UT mass grave project: detecting the "lost" mass graves. and settle the matter once and for all.

Unless there are also biased Halacha laws forbidding to photograph the soil where Jewish mass graves are supposed to be from the sky... :wink:
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Re: Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detec

Postby Landulf » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:30 am)

This is great… Seems that science soon will slap this extortionists in the face.

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Re: Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detec

Postby Zulu » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:55 pm)

neocon wrote:http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,320846,00.html
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/jhome/15126

British scientists are able to detect even completely dissolved
Bodys by the Traces of the Iron contained in the red blood particles
(Haemoglobin).

So the Treblinka soil has to be so like mega iron-enriched that one
could start a profitable iron-mining business!

I afraid that this technique wouldn't be of any utility at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. At those camps. as we are told by the conspirationists, the alleged gassed people were buried and later unburied to be cremated during a gigantic operation carried out by the SS for "borrowing any trace of their crimes" .
As consequence, the detection of traces of iron won't serve there because there are no bodies anymore. In opposite, the GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) is already able to detect the former graves which are supposed to have contained the hundred of thousands of victims of gassing, as well as it is always possible to find human remains of cremation (bones' fragments and teeth). A research that has been unsuccesful at this date; the traces which have been found are far below to correspond with the alleged extension of the massacres.
However, that innovative iron detection technique could be very useful to detect all supposed mass graves made during the massacres perpetrated by the Einsatzgruppen because we are told that most of victims were not cremated in such operations.
Now, Father Patrick Desbois will be able to show "real" physical traces of all the crimes of the alleged "Shoah by bullets" he pretends to have discovered in Ukraine. After discovering mass graves, the searchers will just have an dditional work in order to make a distinction between Shoah's victims, Stalin's victims or even remains of Napoleon's Army.
Father Patrick Desbois is one hell of a prankster

The myth of the Nazi gas chambers was in such a bad way that a substitute or simulation had to be found. The “mass graves in the Ukraine” will do the trick for the time being, at least on the media level. But these alleged “mass graves” have not been dug open and never will be! Our hoaxers will have to be taken at their word. And so we’re being given the gas chamber deal all over again: no evidence and nothing but hair-raising tales in the style of Filip Müller or Shlomo Venezia.

The people claiming to have discovered the “mass graves” have not, in reality, carried out any excavations, hence no inventory of remains, no verification, forensic studies or physical or material certifications of the standard, compulsory kind made in the inquest following the discovery, anywhere, of even a single corpse or skeleton. No police or justice official has been to any of the sites to do any examination whatsoever. Credence will have to be lent to the statements of representatives of two Jewish associations who presume to tell us that if those procedures, albeit normal and routine ones, haven’t been followed, it’s because the Jewish religion forbids such “desecration” of Jewish bodies!

These associations have merely gone about gathering “testimonies” which, afterwards, they’ve sorted through in line with criteria not revealed to the trusting public, but which are known to all the specialists of the “comm.-biz” and “story-telling” (the art of “getting up a good story” as, for example, when the neo-cons want to launch a war). Ukrainian villagers, mustered for the occasion, are filmed giving their accounts from which, subsequently, only choice bits will be picked in order to obtain tidy, well-formatted narratives (good stories to tell), neat disposal being made of any contradictions or precise points that might be checked on and thus, possibly, refuted. In the spectacle of this “witness parade” the viewer-voyeur will not learn anything real but will be bathed in the emotion, the anger, the whining and the horror of vaudeville-hall monstrosities and Dracula stories: a real Jacuzzi of comfort. He’ll enjoy the gentle warmth of a mixture of hatred and goodness, deftly blended. He’ll hate those Nazi “bastards” capable of senseless exploits of evil and, simultaneously, he’ll feel suffused with a particular goodness, the goodness felt in feeling oneself to be good, not all alone off to one side, where your goodness is liable to go unnoticed, but good together with others, lots of others, amidst a community whose members all admire each other and pat themselves on the back for being so good and compassion-laden. From his emotion Jacuzzi, the viewer-voyeur will gaze at the TV screen and find the usual fare, what his psyche has grown accustomed to. He won’t want any other. Above all, the menu of the Shoah soap opera mustn’t vary. Always the same camera shots, the same colours, the same hackneyed expressions and the same refrains of the propaganda of war and hatred. A drug! People want it and ask for more. Take care not to disappoint the customers! They’ve become addicted. The dose is going to need strengthening: we’ve got to out-match Claude Lanzmann.

But, coming back to those alleged “mass graves”, how is the value of testimony to be assessed if the material reality of the facts hasn’t been established beforehand? How will it be determined whether, at such or such place, so much as a single corpse lies buried? How will the number of victims be set? How can it be affirmed that they were Jews? And Jews killed by the Germans? The mere fact that, apparently, spent German cartridges are to be found in the vicinity of the supposed location of a supposed mass grave proves nothing. Who’s going to prove to us that those cartridges were found at that spot? And isn’t the land of Russia and the Ukraine littered all over with used bullets from the German, Soviet and other armies’ weapons? Actually, it has been proved by real investigations, diggings and forensic studies that the 4,410 Polish officers duly ascertained to have been executed, with a bullet to the back of the head, by the Soviets in Katyn forest in 1940 were all killed with bullets supplied by the German war industry to the Soviet Union within the framework of the Germano-Soviet pact. Have there not, these last few years in Russia and the Ukraine, been uncovered a number of common graves which, after scientific examination, all prove to contain victims of the Tcheka, the NKVD and the NKGB, except for a few containing the remains of men of Napoleon’s army, the study of which, nearly two centuries after their burial, has established that they died of typhus?

Some months ago, in a long private interview, Professor Robert Faurisson had the occasion to bring up the myth which, today more than ever, can be seen developing round the Einsatzgruppen, Babi Yar and the “Holocaust by bullets in the Ukraine”, thanks in particular to Father Patrick Desbois, that friend of Elie Wiesel, of the late Cardinal Lustiger and of Mgr Vingt-Trois. Below is a passage from that interview where, after clarifying a few things about the Einsatzgruppen and Babi Yar, the professor went on to speak about Patrick Desbois.

These days, in the Ukraine, there’s a Roman Catholic priest who’s been getting a lot of attention, father Patrick Desbois, a Frenchman and great friend of the Jews. His speciality consists in travelling the length and breadth of the land in search of “mass Jewish graves”. He has the good Ukrainian peasants of a given area informed that he’ll soon be calling at such or such locale and that he intends to garner testimonies about the slaughters of Jews by the Germans during the war. It’s wholly in the inhabitants’ interest to be able to boast that the environs actually possess such mass graves over which, afterwards, may be erected monuments that may in turn attract the odd foreign tourist. The “witnesses” get together and prepare a story. The priest then pays his visit and has his photograph taken with the country-folk as they point towards some spot or other. One may, to begin with, be astonished at the age of certain witnesses photographed thus far: they are quite plainly below the necessary age, which would normally be about 80. But there’s something more astonishing still: these supposed mass graves will not be dug open; no disinterment or any material verification will be carried out, all under the admirable pretence that the Jewish religion prohibits the touching of Jewish corpses; however, it’s enough to look in the Encyclopedia Judaica (1978) at the entry “Autopsies [plural] and Dissection [singular]” to see that there is no such prohibition at all. Only at a single location, Busk outside Lvov, have fifteen common graves been dug open, but none of the skeletons found there were examined and the sites were all covered over with a thick layer of concrete, meaning no authentication will be very possible in future! A curious way of respecting a body in accordance with Jewish law! The historian will thus have to be satisfied with what father Desbois, a clever man, tells us the witnesses told him. Hence, unverified numbers of unfound and unshown victims will be added up and, at the end, we shall be told that the Ukraine contains so many mass graves with so many Jewish victims. And all this under the seal of the respective representatives of the Roman Catholic Church, the “Yahad-in-Unum” association and “Zaka”, a group presenting itself as “dedicated individuals determined […] to accord the proper respect for the dead in accordance with Jewish law, heritage and tradition”. As at Auschwitz, tourism will stand some chance of thriving.

We’ve been told that Professor Faurisson himself has visited the exhibition at the Mémorial de la Shoah in Paris on the “Mass shootings of Jews in Ukraine 1941-1944 / The Holocaust by bullets”, and that he caused some anxiety by asking a woman in charge the simplest of questions: “How is it known that there are mass Jewish graves there?” He was unable to get any answer. Perhaps the question can be put to Father Desbois, who’s now busy giving courses at the Sorbonne on his “mass graves”. Holocaust here, Holocaust there! Decidedly, “There’s no business like Shoah business”. Father Patrick is one hell of a prankster!

November 30, 2007
http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.es/ ... ll-of.html

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Re: Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detec

Postby Dolma » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:49 pm)

Zulu, there are numerous claims that jews were shot in pits at Bezec, Chelmno, sobibor and Treblinka, as well as at Majdanek. (And let's not forget Babi Yar.) I believe I read somewhere that the so-called "Lazarette" at Treblinka contained an alleged 80,000 people who were allegedly shot in the head and neck. I don't know exactly how much blood would leak into the soil at the bottom of Treblinka's alleged Lazarette if that story were true, but have you ever seen how much blood comes from a head wound?

According to David Irving:

There can be no doubt at all the Nazis did murder hundreds of thousands of jews by machine gunning them into pits, all along the eastern fromt and in the Aktion Reinhardt camps, of which this camp, Treblinka, is one. The other two were Sobibor and Belzec, and Majdanek...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qocBt6lJApo

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Re: Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detec

Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:08 pm)

Zulu wrote:I afraid that this technique wouldn't be of any utility at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. At those camps. as we are told by the conspirationists, the alleged gassed people were buried and later unburied to be cremated during a gigantic operation carried out by the SS for "borrowing any trace of their crimes" .
As consequence, the detection of traces of iron won't serve there because there are no bodies anymore.


Maybe those alleged bodies could have released some iron before they were supposedly unburried and cremated? Maybe rotting underground for months was enough?
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Postby Hannover » 5 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:27 am)

According to David Irving:

There can be no doubt at all the Nazis did murder hundreds of thousands of jews by machine gunning them into pits, all along the eastern fromt and in the Aktion Reinhardt camps, of which this camp, Treblinka, is one. The other two were Sobibor and Belzec, and Majdanek...
And Irving's attempt to play the 'holocaust-lite' card just doesn't stand up to rational, intelligent scrutiny any more than the absurd standard 'holocaust' storyline.
see:
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Re: Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detec

Postby Zulu » 5 years 8 months ago (Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:01 am)

hermod wrote:
Zulu wrote:I afraid that this technique wouldn't be of any utility at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. At those camps. as we are told by the conspirationists, the alleged gassed people were buried and later unburied to be cremated during a gigantic operation carried out by the SS for "borrowing any trace of their crimes" .
As consequence, the detection of traces of iron won't serve there because there are no bodies anymore.


Maybe those alleged bodies could have released some iron before they were supposedly unburried and cremated? Maybe rotting underground for months was enough?

I don't think so because the iron comes from the blood. So, usually, buried corpses don't release blood into the surrounding earth. However, it should be probably possible to detect the iron coming from the blood inside buried corpses when these are totally discomposed.
Furthermore, as Dolma pointed before, if the corpses are those of shot people, it is probable that blood appears on the corpses which can then impregnate the surrounding earth when buried. That would surely have been be the case for the alleged shooting of 80,000 people at Treblinka.
For sure, the many thousands of buried victims at Babi Yar, where "geysers of blood spurted up out of the earth", should be easy to locate nowadays in their mass graves for the amount of iron spread all around.
"Later, I learned from a witness that for months after the massacre, the ground did not stop trembling and that from time to time, geysers of blood spurted up out of the earth." Elie Wiesel, Against Silence: The Voice & Vision, Vol 2 (1985)

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Re: Finally! Dissolved 6M Bodies in Polish soil can be detec

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 8 months ago (Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:59 pm)

neocon wrote:the polish Bermuda Triangle!


That's the funniest thing I've seen all week!
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney


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