Can anyone show us the alleged Treblinka grave of 900,000?

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Can anyone show us the alleged Treblinka grave of 900,000?

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:55 pm)

An open challenge to anyone who believes the story that ca. 900,000 Jews were dumped into a mass grave at Treblinka.

Promoters and marketers of the story have yet to show us the alleged mass grave. Can anyone? I submit that they cannnot.

Let's put the onus on the Believers to show us what they mandate as fact ... and arrest people for questioning.

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(I've edited the thread title for clarity)
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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Postby TruthSeeker » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:34 pm)

EXACTLY. I was "debating" this with someone, and I challenged him to present proof of mass graves, but he couldn't. I told him that scientists had conducted tests with the use of modern technology, and that no human remains or ashes were found. Well, this genius guy's reply was something along the lines of: "Modern technology cannot find human ashes; besides, it's proven that there are mass-graves in Treblinka". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Pathetic. :roll: :roll:

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Postby kk » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:38 pm)

A few satellite pictures would suffice....

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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:52 am)

kk wrote:A few satellite pictures would suffice....


I am fairly certain no satellite pictures would be available. There were no man made objects in orbit in this time frame.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:41 am)

Trojan, if afraid you're misinformed.

In a nutshell:

The alleged mass grave (it would be absolutely massive, if true) would leave a detectable 'signature' to this day.

The changed density of the soil would be detectable via properly focused infra-red satellite photography. The alleged grave area would obviously be different from the surrounding area in many ways. Due to heat differential, properly done infra-red photos would detect it ... if it was there. This technique has been used in detecting buried historical sites.

Also, there is satellite ground penetrating radar that could be used to detect it, IF the story was true. This technique has been used in detecting former streams in what are now desert areas; ex.: satellite images of Saudi Arabia which reveal former stream beds under the sand.

So now, can The Believers show us this alleged mass grave that supposedly held 900,000 Jews? Nope.

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Postby kk » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:06 pm)

Satellite imaging of huge mass graves would have been more pronounced than the
red light of a whore house.

Well, where is it Trojan?

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:31 pm)

Are these the graves that Nobel Prize Winner Ellie Wiesel mentioned in his book "La Nuit."

Lying is tough to do, and if you have a big pit, and a fire in the bottom, and this is where you dump bodies, the fire hardly cremates the bodies. The bone stays bone. Put a cow leg in a fire for 6 hours. It's still bone.

When they cremate people, they have a bone crushing machine which they send the remains through, I believe.

But the people lying didn't realize that. They thought fire=ashes.

Not to mention that people don't burn. You'd put the fire out with enough bodies.

Where are the assertions of the mass graves at Treblinka?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:26 am)

Victims alleged for Treblinka vary from 700,000 to 3,000,000. To my knowledge they all claim an enormous mass grave. Most sources have a judeo-communist origin.

In 'THE DEATH CAMP TREBLINKA: A DOCUMENTARY', edited by
Alexander Donat, the numbers go from 700,000 to 1.2 million.

Yankel Wiernik in 'A YEAR IN TREBLINKA' stated that 900,000 Jews were murdered, buried, exhumed, then cremated at Treblinka.

The 'holocau$t' Industry in an attempt to deflect the wild contradicting versions of the story has generally settled on ca. 900,000, without evidence as usual, nor without showing the alleged mass grave.
http://www.ukar.org has some good info.

The alleged extermination stories of Treblinka are simply absurd and impossible as alleged. There are many informative threads here which debunk the bizarre claims.
examples:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=280
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=33
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1239
also:
http://vho.org/GB/c/AmicusCuriaeDemjanjuk.html

for more search this Forum for: 'Treblinka'

As Tom Moran says, 'it's a slam dunk for Revisionists'.

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Postby kk » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:44 am)

Satellite imaging was used to pinpoint a massgrave of 90 people in
Bosnia, or ancient monuments of the 2000bc period in merry old
England.
Finding a massgrave of 900000 people in Poland couldn't have
been such an herculean task, isn't it?

Trojan?

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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:49 am)

kk wrote:Satellite imaging was used to pinpoint a massgrave of 90 people in
Bosnia, or ancient monuments of the 2000bc period in merry old
England.
Finding a massgrave of 900000 people in Poland couldn't have
been such an herculean task, isn't it?

Trojan?


You know, its just great when you guys challenge me and them my replies do not show up, I'm about finished with this ... debate yourself.

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Postby Moderator3 » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:54 am)

Trojan,
Your "replies" are not replies at all, nothing that has been deleted is related to the topic of this thread; which is Treblinka's supposed mass grave. You have not once tried to show the grave. To claim some type of grievance is not credible.
There is a thread here which asks 'Are there points that have been missed or censored?': http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1202
Here is one participant's response:
Anyway, the point of all this is that there is no censorship of actual views which support or refute any topic related to the holocaust story. We have, however, seen many a sore loser use that as an excuse for seeing their views refuted.

The Moderators here have persistently asked you to stay on topic and and address the pertinent points in a thread; that seems to be exactly what you try to avoid. If you want to claim otherwise then so be it.

Let's give an example:
Can anyone show us the alleged Treblinka grave of 900,000?

Your move.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Dec 25, 2004 4:33 pm)

The Moderators here have persistently asked you to stay on topic and and address the pertinent points in a thread; that seems to be exactly what you try to avoid. If you want to claim otherwise then so be it.
I don't want to get into this, especially since I don't know the contents of the offending post.

I know that the Third` Reich Forum is also quite strict on enforcing its rules, including the requirement to stay on the topic of the thread. They usually don't delete the posting, but just warn the user.

Controversy in a debate is in my opinion a good thing and challenges ones knowledge on the subject matter. It may hurt ones ego and self image occasionaly, so what!

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jan 01, 2005 7:50 am)

What ever you think about the industry, it is very hard indeed to 'deny' the colossal physical nature of it all. In fact paper-work does not really come into it (You have none anyway!), because at the end of the day the fundamentals of the industry mythology are simply this. Millions and millions of people were murdered in isolated areas, over a very short period of time, slap-bang in the middle of Europe.

But because it never happened, there are simply no physical remains. This is why the industry tries to lure you away from the practical and physical aspects, and entice you into the 'great paper chase' to divert your attention and bamboozle you with forged paper-work, tall eye-witness stories and laughable figures. And of course the ever persuasive Zionist journaille are always lurking and peddling their grimy folklore in the background.

They also try and have us believe that we should not expect to see any physical remains, to try and dampen our curiosity, all this babble about rampaging mobile crushers and mass fires that somehow completely destroyed every last piece of bone from eleven million people without any fuel, and left not a mark on the landscape. Does one laugh or weep at this convolted tale?

Many Stone-age settlements are found by archaeologist’s by simply hovering in a Helicopter a few hundred feet up, as the sun is setting, the low sun and the long shadows it cast's, show every scar and irregularity on the ground, as if it were glowing. This method can be seen on many a documentary.

The trouble with this industry argument is the fact that the locations of the so-called mass graves are widely known to all; there is no need to look for them as they are supposedly just behind the ruins of Krema IV at Birkenau. The question that really matters though is not ‘where are they?’ But rather; ‘everyone knows where they are supposed to be, so why have we not seen them? And why don't you exhume them, like we all know you exploiting, money-grubbers would if they really existed?’….Your eternal victim status would surely be assured for the next thousand years!

You can always nail an industry preacher with ease, if you just keep to the practical aspects. Just don’t let them lure you into their invented, mind-numbing bureaucracy, and you will have them trying to scratch your eyes out in frustration in five minutes.

The topic of this thread is just a simple, straight-forward question. But it is these simple, obvious, direct questions that the industry fears most, and their reply is always one of two things; psychopathic, hate crazed threats, or the ear shattering din of utter silence!



‘The industries lies were gradually exposed, and they lay open like a drawer of knives…Slowly it dawned on us, we had been most deceived’.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jan 01, 2005 2:32 pm)

Wow. That is really nuts.

It's like when Leuchter went to Auschwitz, and (forget about the lack of cyanide residue on the walls), he said that with the size of these 'chambers' that 4 million could never have gone through. and then wondered why nobody else had ever did the math and realized that.

900,000 would be quite a hole. Ever been in a soccer/football stadium with 50,000.

900,000 would be such a hole that even with filling it back in, it would show up on satellite photos etc.

I wonder where the 'water table' hits there. ie how deep you dig before you the earth gets muddy.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:13 am)

900,000 in a mass grave.

Let's compare it to a football field.

A football field is 100 yards long (not including the 'end zones') and 160 feet wide.

Let's say each corpse takes up 1 yard in length, and one foot wide and one foot height.--that is a really small size. Arguably that's half the size we should be taking. One yard is 3 feet and how many people are 3 feet tall? How many people are 1 foot wide? But with that underestimated size, then we have the following math:

With the size mentioned above for one corpse, you could put 1 layer on a football field, and it would be 100 bodies long and 160 bodies wide. That would equal 16,000 bodies. To reach 900,000 you'd have to put 56 layers on top of that, or dig down into the earth 56 feet which is around the height of a 4 story building.

The math is
100 X 160 x 56 = 896,000 which is roughly 900,000

There might be a device to confirm that such a pit was never dug up, but I wonder if one of those core sample things would work. You know like they use in geology, and in oil exploration, and in geological ice samples deep under the ice.

And to exhume the bodies of such a pit. Talk about biohazard. A job for an army all by itself, as if there was no war to fight.

The lies are just so preposterous.......


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