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U.S. Settles 'Gold Train' Holocaust Claims

Postby Maly Jacek » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:08 am)

U.S. National - AP


U.S. Settles 'Gold Train' Holocaust Claims

Mon Dec 20, 6:18 PM ET U.S. National - AP


By CATHERINE WILSON, Associated Press Writer

MIAMI - The U.S. government has agreed to settle with Holocaust survivors who claim that American Army officers during World War II plundered a trainload of family treasures that had been seized by the Nazis.The families and the Justice Department (news - web sites) told a judge Monday that they have agreed in principle to a financial award over the "Gold Train," but the exact terms have not been worked out.The lawsuit sought up to $10,000 each for as many as 30,000 Hungarian Jews and their survivors.U.S. District Judge Patricia Seitz told attorneys to deliver a package detailing a worldwide settlement by Feb. 18."This agreement is a step closer to the goal we all share, a measure of justice for these Holocaust victims and their families," said Sen. Charles Schumer
In 1945, in the waning days of the war, the Nazis sent 24 train cars toward Germany carrying gold, silver, paintings, Oriental rugs, furs and other household goods seized from Hungarian Jews.Nazis, Hungarians and Austrians stole from the train along the way. The train was then intercepted by U.S. forces, and American officers helped themselves to china, silverware and artwork for their homes and offices, according to an advisory commission appointed by then-President Clinton.The train and cargo worth an estimated $50 million to $120 million were shrouded in official secrecy until a presidential commission on Holocaust assets detailed it in 1999. "No way the money we would get would help with our losses. We were not even thinking about it. We just want to have closure on this," said Alex Moskovic of Hobe Sound, one of three Hungarian Jews who attended Monday's hearing.However, New York University professor Ronald Zweig, who wrote a book on the train and served as the government's expert, said that the Gold Train has taken on mythic proportions and that the Army made "a very serious effort" to protect the contents."Who is going to stand up against a generous payment to Holocaust survivors? I'm not," he said. "But it's being done out of generosity and not because the U.S. government did anything wrong."
Washington lawyer Fred Fielding has served as a mediator between the two sides.Earlier, the Justice Department had urged the court to dismiss the case, saying the U.S. government bears no responsibility. But the Bush administration came under bipartisan pressure from members of Congress to settle."We're hoping that there's going to be an acknowledgment of responsibility" by the government, said Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. "This is a proud day."



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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:38 am)

The lawsuit sought up to $10,000 each for as many as 30,000 Hungarian Jews and their survivors.

"Hungarian Jews and THEIR SURVIVORS"? So, those who weren't actually THE 'survivors' get in on the scam. Sweet deal. And here we go again. So many 'survivors, but there was supposedly a 'plan to exterminate all Jews'. Sure.
The train and cargo worth an estimated $50 million to $120 million were shrouded in official secrecy until a presidential commission on Holocaust assets detailed it in 1999.

And who was on this 'commission'? It's like giving a blank check to those with a vested interest in profiteering and perpetuating the scam.
"No way the money we would get would help with our losses. We were not even thinking about it. We just want to have closure on this," said Alex Moskovic of Hobe Sound, one of three Hungarian Jews who attended Monday's hearing.

Yeah right. Then why did the 'claim' come about? Why are they demanding huge amounts of money and not just acknowledgement. For "closure"? Oh please, he'll take everything he can get.
"Who is going to stand up against a generous payment to Holocaust survivors? I'm not," he said. "But it's being done out of generosity and not because the U.S. government did anything wrong."

So let's get this right. Just because judeo-supremacists demand money and the government did nothing wrong, were supposed to sit by and let group of scammers fleece the US taxpayer.

That says a lot about the so called 'holocau$t'.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:57 am)

Lets see. 10,000 Jews. $30,000 each. That would be $300,000,000. We may not know where the $$$,$$$,$$$ will be coming from but we can be real sure of where it won't be going. Education, environment, Social Security, medical aid to wounded troops, un-employment funds, welfare funds - well places and things that would benefit real victims.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:58 pm)

Gawd! What will they think of next.

Here in California during the dot com years in the late 90's, when everyone was busy in a "dot com" venture, creating new things, and due to that, young people were fairly apolitical, there were the Jews muscling Germany for slave labor reparations, and using their vast public relations and media to make Switzerland look evil, and using the government connections to nearly ban Union Bank because it was a Swiss Bank, so Switzerland caved in and Germany caved in, and the Jews got tons of money. Billions I believe.

It's never enough money! The Simon Weisenthal Museum of Tolerance: 5 million a year automatically from the State of California. Plus something like 1/3 of the budget of the California Arts Council on top of that! They conduct public school field trips to their museum to promote "diversity." YET THEY VOCALLY SUPPORT THE JEWS-ONLY SETTLEMENTS IN THE WEST BANK. And they support the wall they're building. How strange if you were a 12 year old Palestinian refugee girl in public school in Los Angeles, and your class takes a field trip to the Museum of Tolerance!

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Postby kk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:34 pm)

for as many as 30,000 Hungarian Jews and their survivors.U.S.


I thought there were 400000 of them .
What am I missing?

A mix- up of definitions I think....

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Postby kk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:11 pm)

The fabulous "gold train" of Budapest, filled with treasures stolen from Hungarian Jews, has long been a legend of WWII.

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I think it is more of a legend of the holocau$t .
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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:56 pm)

OK ... why did my post not appear, it was on point and did not insult anyone ... or are you afraid of the truth?

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:01 pm)

No Trojan, your post contained multiple topics, it was all over the place.

Limit your posts to the topic of the thread. See the guidelines.

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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:52 pm)

Ok, I'll give the link then .. and let everyone read it for themselves.

http://www.hagens-berman.com/files/HGT% ... 394256.pdf

I'll add only this - the complaint (filed in federal court in Miami) clearly and precisely lays out the chronology of the trains travels ... it was not in Budapest in May 1945, as some have claimed, rather it left in Budapest in 1944.

Anyone have any evidence that it (the train) never existed? I'd like to see it.

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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:34 pm)

http://www.hagens-berman.com/hungarian_ ... in_lawsuit

Recent Developments
December 21, 2004 - In a major breakthrough, the attorneys for the plaintiffs Hungarian Holocaust survivors together with senior Justice Department attorneys - read the following statement to Judge Patricia Seitz in federal court in Miami on Monday, December 20:

"The government and plaintiffs' counsel, after consultation with class members and Jewish organizations, have reached an agreement in principle to settle this litigation. There are still significant issues to be worked out, but we are confident that we can indeed work them out."

Judge Seitz set a deadline of February 18 for the details to be worked out, and a final settlement proposal to be forwarded to the court for approval. All the elements of the settlement will be publicly disclosed at that time, and there will be ample opportunity for comment.

Numerous news articles have appeared about this, filled with speculation about the amount and terms of the settlement. We want to make it clear: nearly all of these articles are just speculation. Key terms are still being discussed by the parties. It is also important to understand that any settlement of litigation necessarily involves compromise from the original positions of the parties. That will be true in this case as well.

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Nice to get the facts rather than jumping to conclusions.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:55 am)

Trojan said:
Nice to get the facts rather than jumping to conclusions.

And what facts would that be?

The cargo listed in your link lists silver predominantly, while gold is a secondary cargo with a few mentions in the cargo lists.... but yet it's called the 'gold train'. How typical.

Hungarian train which includes approximately 15,000 grams of gold bullion ...

Let's see here, there are 28 grams in a ounce, 16 ounces in a pound .... oops, now we're seeing a not so 'gold train'.

The very fact that so many Jews from Hungary were on board a German train completely blows apart the notion that there was an 'extermination plan' for Jews of Hungary, and Jews in general.

Was claimed by the profit motivated law firm:
Several attempts were made by Nazi agents to loot the train but in all but one instance, the Hungarians were successful in guarding their cargo.

Oh please, what nonsense. If the Germans had wanted to loot a train they dispatched they certainly could have.
September 17, 1945 Document, Subject: Report on the "Werfen Train" Paragraph 5 states: "During inventory and interrogation of Dr. Avar Lazlo it was determined that the train contained items which had been taken mostly from Jewish people…."

And who is the Avar Lazlo? Why should he be believed? Is he someone with an agenda?
Paragraph 6 states: "During the inventory a large amount of papers were discovered which appear to prove the fact that these things were taken from Jews

How absurd. I can just see the Germans stealing all this stuff and then placing papers aboard the train incriminating themselves. Right. Looks more like they were sending the material out of reach of the Communists for safe keeping with the intent of returning it, hence the paperwork.
"based upon interrogation of Hungarian guards and officials taken with the train establishes that the rugs, chinaware and silverware on the train were taken from the Jewish people by order of the last Hungarian Nazi Government."

Another absurdity. How would the alleged 'Hungarian guards' know the source of these items, they were just guards on the train.

And again, why would the "Hungarian Nazi Government" allow so called 'officials', who had incriminating information, retreat to the west with the train, knowing that the Allies would probably seize it and those aboard could incriminate them .... if the story as alleged was true.

There's more that could be commented upon, but I don't want to be accused of 'piling on'.

The information actually works against the claim; but who's going to stand up to the judeo-supremacists when they demand money?

I want to thank Trojan for posting the link to the law firm which will undoubtedly make a bundle. Again, it's so typical of the "holocau$t Industry".

I also notice Trojan avoided my earlier points.

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Postby Goethe » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Dec 24, 2004 6:37 pm)

Wait a minute. The article posted first said:
In 1945, in the waning days of the war, the Nazis sent 24 train cars ..

But in the waning days the Soviets had occupied Hungary, yes, no?

Then is the story posted incorrect and this train was dispatched earlier then the story claims? And if so, where is the documentation to prove it?

And why are there no confirming pictures of the alleged gold teeth, etc.?

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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Dec 24, 2004 7:36 pm)

Goethe wrote:Wait a minute. The article posted first said:
In 1945, in the waning days of the war, the Nazis sent 24 train cars ..

But in the waning days the Soviets had occupied Hungary, yes, no?

Then is the story posted incorrect and this train was dispatched earlier then the story claims? And if so, where is the documentation to prove it?

And why are there no confirming pictures of the alleged gold teeth, etc.?


For a narrative of the travels of the train, read the complaint which I posted a link for ... don't believe the news articles.

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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:37 am)

Just a quick update, it appears that the final settlment will be submitted to the court on February 18th (next Friday). The settlement will NOT be under seal, which means we can see and comment of the settlement in full at that time.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:15 am)

Trojan:
Just a quick update, it appears that the final settlment will be submitted to the court on February 18th (next Friday). The settlement will NOT be under seal, which means we can see and comment of the settlement in full at that time.

So? The amount that was extorted will be known. That says nothing about the points made, such as: the absurdity of claims about the train itself, it's alleged contents, and those aboard. Rebuttal to my points is sorely lacking, as usual.

Anyway, we're counting on Trojan to bring us the full text of this 'settlement'.

What a scam.

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