Jews of Poland. Where'd they go?

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

I was always led to believe that after WWII, the Jews of Poland, once a vibrant community, were just gone.

Professor Kevin MacDonald in his book Culture of Critique, points out that not only were were they still there, but they ruled Poland for the next several years!

(All three communist leaders who dominated Poland between 1948 and 1956, (Jacub) Berman, Boleslaw Bierut, and Hilary Minc, were Jews.)

pg. 61 Paperback edition

I had no idea! Here's another MacDonald quote:

As in the case of post-World War II Hungary (see below), Poland became polarized between a predominantly Jewish ruling and administrative class supported by the rest of the Jewish population and by Soviet military power, arrayed against the great majority of the native gentile population.

Pg. 65 paperback edition

A fundamental problem for the Jews was created when the Soviets allied with the Arabs in the Middle East, to oppose the United States allying with Israel. This led to a dissonance with the Jews, being on the Soviet side of things. Stemming from this, the Jews were soon losing power in Poland, as they had fallen out of favor with the Soviets. Then, most moved to Israel: In the 1950's!

After their final defeat they quickkly lost any Polish identity they might have had and quickly assumed overtly Jewish identities, especially in Israel, the destination of most Polish Jews.

That is my bold text.

So there you have it. They were the ruling power in Poland into the '50's, then most emigrated to Israel. Interesting.

If you want to read Culture of Critique, just go to Barnes and Noble, or any bookstore, and have them order it for you. You can just give them a first name and a telephone number, and they they'll call you when it comes in, and you can go down to the bookstore and pick it up.

In fairness to MacDonald, I'd have to mention that he publicly states that he is not a revisionist. Also this section of the book that I quoted isn't about the holocaust. The point I'm taking from the section of the book, though, is that not only were Jews still there. but they ruled the country.

[ClaudiaRothenbach]

In the Central Committee of the Communistic Party of Hungary there was one non-Jew at the beginning of the 1950s.

Why did they need this non-Jew?

(They needed one guy that could sign death sentences on Sabbaths)

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Oh my!

MacDonald mentions that Hungary was very similar to Poland.

But I'm guessing that that is more of a joke to make a point.

[ClaudiaRothenbach]

That is true.

It is also true that all members of the Central Committee of the CPH were Jews exept one.

And it is true as well that many Hungarians were killed by the communists after the war.

[Hannover]

Vast numbers of Polish Jews were moved to in interior of the communist USSR...typically they are said to have killed by the Germans, not true according to the Encyclopaedia Judaica:

"The Jews were deported by the Germans to the area under Soviet control on the other side of the San River".

Therefore by 1941 the majority of former Polish Jews were living in what became Soviet Ukraine. David Bergelson, wrote in the Moscow Yiddish paper Ainikeit December 5, 1942, that:

"Thanks to the evacuation, the majority (80%) of the Jews in the Ukraine, White Russia, Lithuania and Latvia before the arrival of the Germans were rescued."

In other words the majority of Polish Jews were evacuated to the Soviet interior in 1941. After the war many settled in the Soviet Union, many flooded into DP camps in Germany. From there most went to Palestine (often forced to by Zionists), and many went to the US and other places where Jews are.

- Butz's book ('Hoax of the 20th Century') reproduces part of a communication sent by Monsignor Di Meglio, a staff member of the Papal Nuncio in Berlin, to the Vatican, dated December 1942. In part it reads:

Since many fled, before the arrival of the German troops, from the Polish territories occupied by the Russians and from territories properly Russian, one estimates that presently, in the Reich and the occupied territories, including the Protectorate of Bohemia-Moravia, there are more than four million Jews, ie. one fourth of the entire world Jewish population.

Butz remarks:

'It is clear that he had no information on the existence of an extermination program even remotely resembling the one that was then taking shape in Allied propaganda and was being related to the Vatican by various Allied diplomats and Jewish organisations.'

- a common tactic is for the holocaust Industry to refer to the alleged numbers of Jews in Europe as indicated in the alleged notes of the Wannsee Conference. These number are so off base that even prominient Jews have dismissed them. (according to Yehuda Bauer there were only 9 million Jews in ALL of Europe...A HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST by Yehuda Bauer. New York: Franklin Watts, 1982, 398pp, $15.95, ISBN 0-531-098621)
Wannsee indicates 11,000,000 Jews in Europe (ex.: 700,000 in France...which is patently absurd), therefore leading some to the conclusion that the minutes of that Wannsee meeting were tampered with.

- noted British journalist Douglas Reed estimated that the number of the victims of the so called 'holocaust' did not exceed 300,000 or 400,000 -- the range of natural growth of the Jewish population over a period of seven or eight years. He revealed that the number of Jews in the world after the war of 1939-1945 was the same as it had been before the war
http://abbc.com/revisionism/english/heikal.htm

Swiss Revisionist Jurgen Graf makes this comparison:

'Before the Algerian uprising against the French, there were ca. 1,000,000 Frenchmen in Algeria, when the dust settled there were mere thousands. Does that mean they were murdered?'

Statistical population data depends somewhat on ‘when’ before WW II. There is census data for the different areas available for 1933 and before. Of interest to Revisionists is the Jewish population at the beginning of the war in 1939, and finally how many Jews lived in German occupied areas in the beginning of the occupation in 1941.

There were huge emmigrations of Jewish people from European countries mainly to the Americas and Palestine between 1933 and 1941.
Further large population shifts occurred between 1939 and 1941 from Eastern European countries, especially from Eastern Poland, to the Soviet Union. Staticians talk about 2 Million Jews here.

Jewish population data before WW II can be found in:

‘Die europäischen Juden’ (The European Jews) (German) by Sanning
http://vho.org/D/DGG/Sanning28_1.html

and in ‘Der Korherr-Bericht’ (lange Fassung) (The Korherr-Report,long version).
http://www.ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korh ... lang.shtml

also see:
‘Jewish population losses in the German sphere of influence during the World War II’ by Jürgen Graf:
http://www.ety.com/tell/books/jgjewstats/jgstattoc.htm
....according to Sanning there were no more than 3.5 million Jews in the German sphere of influence at the time of its biggest territorial extension.

Hannover

[Hannover]

In another thread the off topic canard of 'so where did they go' was raised. I bring this thread forward for further debate.

also:
'So how many Jews died?'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2019

- Hannover

[Kingfisher]

I was always led to believe that after WWII, the Jews of Poland, once a vibrant community, were just gone.

Professor Kevin MacDonald in his book Culture of Critique, points out that not only were were they still there, but they ruled Poland for the next several years!

As I pointed out in another thread the Polish security apparatus was overwhelmingly Jewish, at least 13 out of 18.

Most notable MBP personnel

Jakub Berman
Julia Brystiger
Józef Czaplicki (real name Izydor Kurc)
Anatol Fejgin
Adam Humer (actual name Adam Umer)
Julian Konar (real name Jakub Kohn)
Grzegorz Korczyński
Mieczysław Mietkowski (real name Mojżesz Bobrowicki)
Salomon Morel, commander of Zgoda labour camp
Henryk Pałka
Julian Polan-Haraschin
Józef Różański (real name Józef Goldberg)
Roman Romkowski( real name Natan Grunspan – Kikiel)
Stanisław Radkiewicz
Leon Rubinstein
Józef Światło (real name Izak Fleischfarb)
Helena Wolińska-Brus (real name Fajga Mindla Danielak)
Piotr Smietanski

My italics indicate Jewish. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Public_Security_of_Poland

[ovd1965]

example for one of the many survivor testimonies on centropa.org

a suvivor in Poland after the war :

"I stayed on in Zawady for a bit after the liberation, and then headed west, to the Recovered Territories [see Regained Lands] [11], because I no longer had any home or family. And that's how I got to Legnica. That was in 1946. I remember that there were a lot of Jews here.

Later on, during the Sinai War [12], there was a joke going around about Nasser threatening that if Israel didn't stop fighting he'd bomb the world's three biggest Jewish towns: Legnica, Swidnica and Walbrzych."

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

The implications of the following essay are enormous: http://www.ejpress.org/article/35149

One might well ask if there is some kind of extermination process at work today. In the USA, out of 100 Jews during the general post war era, there are supposedly, according to the essay, only three left four generations later. The essay also supports my view that the vast majority of “missing” Jews at the end of WW2 had NOT been killed at all but had simply discarded their jewish identities. And, why not? No doubt, many “converts” restored their jewish identities after the war—but many others did not. How many is the important question. Judging by the willingness of Jews to discard their “jewishness” since the war based on the linked essay above, the numbers of Jews who did so during the war must have been at least as great.

Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
[b]Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast![/b]

[Cloud]

The implications of the following essay are enormous: http://www.ejpress.org/article/35149

Well, it does highlight their incredible hypocrisy. If ethnic Europeans openly said similar things, they would be quickly demonized as vile racists. Why can any other group express an interest in self preservation, but not those of European extraction?

[Sannhet]

The revisionist work "Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry" is a good resource on this. It is dry reading, but is an extremely detailed analysis of where Polish Jews ended up. As hannover writes above, most ended evacuated east by the USSR during the Russo-German war.

One of the points made by the author of the above-cited wor is: The "dissolution" of Eastern-European Jewry can actually be shown to have began in the 1890s and proceeded steadily through the 1930s. They were moving away, mostly to the USA. In time, many more went to Palestine/Israel -- often by way of Russia

The chaotic war years sped up a process that would have played out anyway.

In other words, the surviving Polish Jews mostly did not re-root themselves in Poland, after the war had displaced them, because there'd been a strong centrifugal force impelling Jews to leave Poland for 50 years already. They took the opportunity to go elsewhere.

[Barrington James]

I too was shocked to learn that many of the countries of Eastern Europe had Jewish masters after WW2, including of course Lazar Kaganovich, who was Stalin’s right hand man. David Irving wrote that the Hungarian revolution, for example, was as much against Jewish rule as it was against communism.

However my biggest shock came when I read John Sack’s book, “An eye for an eye” in which he describes the fact that after the war 1, 255 concentration camps were set up for ordinary German Nationals all throughout Eastern Europe and Germany. These camps, for the most part were run by Jews. There they beat, whipped, tortured and murdered the Germans by the thousands, whose only sin for most of them was being German.

[Sannhet]

RE Barrington James

after the war 1, 255 concentration camps were set up for ordinary German Nationals all throughout Eastern Europe and Germany. These camps, for the most part were run by Jews. There they beat, whipped, tortured and murdered the Germans by the thousands, whose only sin for most of them was being German.

Solomon Morel was one of these, perhaps the most infamous.

He lived out his days in Israel. Recently dead at age 87. Never bothered by prosecution nor serious threat thereof.

Poland's Institute of National Remembrance (IPN), which investigates war crimes, holds Morel, as commandant of the Swietochlowice concentration camp, responsible for the deaths of 1,538 prisoners -- mostly civilians, a mixture of men and women, children and old people, Polish and German, who were abused, beaten, starved, raped and brutalized. "There is no basis to accuse Morel of the crime of genocide ... he and his family are survivors of genocide ... committed by the Nazis and their Polish collaborators," says a communique issued by Israel's justice ministry.

Accusations against Morel aren't new. They were first made by the late John Sack, a Jew and a respected journalist whose book, An Eye for an Eye, purports to tell Morel's story.

In 1993, CBS' 60 Minutes investigated the case (Morel declined to be interviewed) and substantiated many atrocities. It seems Soviet dictator Josef Stalin sought out Jews to run prison camps for Germans because he didn't trust Poles and felt Jews had no reason to be loyal to Poland and would want revenge on Germans.

http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissen ... /morel.htm

"60 Minutes" transcript here: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/KillerMorel.html

[PotPie]

In the Central Committee of the Communistic Party of Hungary there was one non-Jew at the beginning of the 1950s.

Why did they need this non-Jew?

(They needed one guy that could sign death sentences on Sabbaths)

Saying this as an ex-Marxist, there is one thing that I have concluded is a reason why so many Jews have historically supported Communism. Communism just doesn't economically expropriate the ruling class (read: enemies), but it does so as well ethnically. There are huge power shifts in terms of ethnic power which take place when the minority usurp the majority in any multiethnic society. What a sneaky and absolutely brilliant way to strike at one's enemies: surround yourself with throngs of well-meaning useful idiots who will unseat your enemies with visions of egalitarianistic resource distribution swimming in their heads.

[Cloud]

Saying this as an ex-Marxist,

I didn't think it was possible for someone to leave that side. Kudos.