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Re: IBM and the Holocaust

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 7 years 11 months ago (Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:29 pm)

Holocaustolaters are disagreeing on the IBM role at Auschwitz.
"But Hollerith numbers remained the chief method of centrally identifying and tracking prisoners at Auschwitz, especially when responding to Berlin's orders."

IBM and the Holocaust (2001)
Edwin Black
pages 352/3
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Franciszek Piper kindly debunked this

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Allegheny Times - February 13, 2001 -
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fbUiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=7LQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4581%2C3274076
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

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Re: IBM and the Holocaust

Postby Barrington James » 7 years 11 months ago (Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:16 pm)

The simple answer to your question " Did Edwin Black claim that the Nazis had a special code for death by gas, or for any other method of extermination?" is "Yes he did make this claim". He wrote that “Most death reports were coded C-3, even when people were openly murdered. But the fourth death code was in fact a secret one, F-6….it stood for “Special Treatment”…Any punishment coded F-6 was in fact an order for extermination, either by gas chamber or bullet.” P.365, L-4.

He also wrote:

(1) “Ravenbruck women always knew when fellow prisoners were about to be exterminated when a trusty abruptly retrieved their [IBM] cards.”p. 360, L-2

(2)From early 1942, the prophetic new Nazi word openly pronounced in newspapers was extermination.” p.365, L-37

(3) “The giant Austrian camp [ Mauthausen} was really an extensive complex of slave labor quarries and factories, operated with brutal furor calculated to quickly work inmates to death.” p. 358, L-18

(4)“The giant facility {Flossenburg] , built near the town of Floss, continuously worked inmates to death at a nearby quarry and Messerschmitt aircraft factory.. When enfeebled prisoners by the thousands dropped from malnutrition and exhaustion, their bodies were quickly cremated.” p.358.

And he wrote hundreds of other such claims about each and every Nazi internment camp

However, keep in mind that this Edwin Black is the same guy who wrote about “The Transfer Agreement.”, which, of course, was, as he explained, the Nazi/Zionist cooperative agreement which allowed the Jews selected by the Zionists to emigrate to Palestine with most of their wealth. The Jewish community almost killed him for writing that book. Even his own parents disowned him. (This can be seen on YouTube). Small wonder he must have written his second book with the main hope that he would not be murdered for doing so, and that just maybe he would be welcomed back into the Jewish community. Small wonder that he wrote such a book.
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Re: IBM and the Holocaust

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 7 years 11 months ago (Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:02 pm)

Barrington James wrote
The Jewish community almost killed him for writing that book...
Small wonder he must have written his second book with the main hope that he would not be murdered for doing so, and that just maybe he would be welcomed back into the Jewish community. Small wonder that he wrote such a book..

I couldn't agree more.

His latest effort, which blames the Arabs for a role in the Holocaust, could have been written-to-order by Zionist leaders.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rknnKYP5Iqg[/youtube]

Black's full talk on here:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/297544-1
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Re: IBM and the Holocaust

Postby Hektor » 7 years 11 months ago (Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:30 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:Holocaustolaters are disagreeing on the IBM role at Auschwitz.
"But Hollerith numbers remained the chief method of centrally identifying and tracking prisoners at Auschwitz, especially when responding to Berlin's orders."
IBM and the Holocaust (2001)
Edwin Black
pages 352/3
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The allegation is also that the "numbering system" or abbrevations like S.B. had some kind of sinister meaning. Like the argument that Hans made.
IBM used the numbering, one code standing for S.B., S.B. meaning Sonderbehandlung and finally Sonderbehandlung meaning killing as part of an extermination program in contradiction to executions, which had their own code. This is quite acrobatic :bootyshake: to say the least, but do you think we debunked this sufficiently?!

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Re: IBM and the Holocaust

Postby Barrington James » 7 years 11 months ago (Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:41 pm)

BlackrabbitofInle….Thanks for the video on Edwin Black. He is certainly a man who is walking a very fine line, or, in this video, of speaking a fine line between telling a little of the truth or telling all of it; of living a good life as a writer in America or of being unemployable anywhere in the world. He gave a very guarded, nervous presentation in that video, for he knew that he if were to get too close to the line of thruth, or worse yet, cross over the line, he would be in deep, deep trouble. He knows as much as anyone what happened to Jewish writers, many of them world renowned, such John Sack, Jack Bernstein, Hanna Arendt, Norm Finkelstein, Lenni Brenner, Arthur Koestler, and, as well as, of course, many non Jews such as Paul Rassinier, Jimmy Carter, Mearsheimer and Walt, Henry Ford, David Irving ( although not a real holocaust writer) and Ernst Zundel, and so many others, as we all know, for telling the truth, or, in some cases, just searching for it.

He makes a very passionate plea for understanding and peace, but he spoke to a people who have not a yet given any such thing to the Palestinians and never will until they are somehow forced to do so. He said that he was simply telling the true history of the hatred that much of the Arab has had for the Jews, but he does not mention the extreme hatred that can be found throughout the entire Talmud for the goyim, the non Jew. Nor does he tell what happened to the Christians when the Jews took over the USSR in 1917 and Spain in 1936, and thus created. in total, the deaths of tens of millions. Nor does he mention the fact, as outlined by Naeim Giladi in his book, “Ben Gurions’s Scandals”, that the destruction of many of the synagogues and the American Embassy in Iraq in the early 50’s, for example, had actually been done by the Zionists as false flags.

He makes a big deal in the video about the Arabs, who, in their desperation turned to the Nazis to defend themselves against the well trained, well financed, well armed Jews, and yet he does not say a word about the destruction of these defenseless Palestinians and the continuous theft of their land for the 60 years or more.

However, I do not wish to judge him too harshly, for to be honest, I know I would never want to have my knowledge of the world known to the world either. He at least had the courage to tell something of the truth, and that is a good step in the right direction for all of us.
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Re: IBM and the Holocaust

Postby Hektor » 2 years 1 month ago (Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:01 pm)

Barrington James wrote:The simple answer to your question " Did Edwin Black claim that the Nazis had a special code for death by gas, or for any other method of extermination?" is "Yes he did make this claim". He wrote that “Most death reports were coded C-3, even when people were openly murdered. But the fourth death code was in fact a secret one, F-6….it stood for “Special Treatment”…Any punishment coded F-6 was in fact an order for extermination, either by gas chamber or bullet.” P.365, L-4. /..../

However, keep in mind that this Edwin Black is the same guy who wrote about “The Transfer Agreement.”, which, of course, was, as he explained, the Nazi/Zionist cooperative agreement which allowed the Jews selected by the Zionists to emigrate to Palestine with most of their wealth. The Jewish community almost killed him for writing that book. Even his own parents disowned him. (This can be seen on YouTube). Small wonder he must have written his second book with the main hope that he would not be murdered for doing so, and that just maybe he would be welcomed back into the Jewish community. Small wonder that he wrote such a book.


He indeed makes this claim among several wild others:



I took some pains to find a copy of the document he pulls out.
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He claims That (SB) Sonderbehandlung stands for "being sent to the gas chamber". Well, I'm missing some types of entries like for example "quarantine", could it mean that SB or Sonderbehandlung did indeed mean being separated from the other prisoners for e.g. the purpose of quarantine?

Where does he say that his parents "disowned" him? Interesting that he wrote another book of that sort this time embarassing IBM, there wasn't any scheming for money involved, was there?


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