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Jewish populations: Sanning

Postby Geordie » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:00 pm)

Apologies for the constant questions, but has anybody read Walter Sanning book "The Dissolution of European Jewry"? Or anything regarding Paul Rassinier's opinions on the populations?
The Jewish census, so to speak, is perhaps one of the central factors regarding the Holocaust, that is to say: if there was no Holocaust, then how can six million (which is certainly bogus in itself, but that is beside the point) be accounted for as "not dead"?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Feb 12, 2003 9:50 pm)

It's an illogical question actually. There is absolutely no proof that 6,000,000 Jews or anything remotely close to that number were killed.

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Re: Jewish populations: Sanning

Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 4:20 am)

Geordie wrote:Apologies for the constant questions, but has anybody read Walter Sanning book "The Dissolution of European Jewry"? Or anything regarding Paul Rassinier's opinions on the populations?
The Jewish census, so to speak, is perhaps one of the central factors regarding the Holocaust, that is to say: if there was no Holocaust, then how can six million (which is certainly bogus in itself, but that is beside the point) be accounted for as "not dead"?


Mr. Sanning's book, whilst very interesting in many respects, is marred by three serious shortcomings:

1) the numbers given for Jewish emigration from Poland in the 1930s appear to be greatly exaggerated (hence there were more Jews in Poland in 1939 than Mr. Sanning figures) ;

2) following Mr. Butz, the author assumes that the mass deportation of 430,000 Hungarians in May-July 1944 did not occur;

3) the so-called Korherr Report, a statistical survey of European Jewry to the end of 1942 (later updated to the first quarter of 1943), prepared by Mr. Richard Korherr at the behest of his boss, Mr. Himmler, is completely ignored.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 8:15 am)

Hebden wrote:1) the numbers given for Jewish emigration from Poland in the 1930s appear to be greatly exaggerated (hence there were more Jews in Poland in 1939 than Mr. Sanning figures)


Sanning quoted the estimated number of Jews who left Poland after 1933 from Gutachten des Institutes für Zeitgeschichte Munich 1958:
[…]In the years following 1933, about 100,000 Jews left Poland every year […]


It is on page 32. Why is this estimate exaggerated?

2) following Mr. Butz, the author assumes that the mass deportation of 430,000 Hungarians in May-July 1944 did not occur;


So the deportation did occur?

3) the so-called Korherr Report, a statistical survey of European Jewry to the end of 1942 (later updated to the first quarter of 1943), prepared by Mr. Richard Korherr at the behest of his boss, Mr. Himmler, is completely ignored.


How would the Korherr Report have affected Sanning’s study?

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Postby Independent Thinker » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 8:24 am)

Sailor wrote:How would the Korherr Report have affected Sanning’s study?

:D


Please forgive my ignorance: what is written in this Korherr Report? Where can I read it?

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 8:49 am)

Independent Thinker wrote:
Sailor wrote:How would the Korherr Report have affected Sanning’s study?

:D


Please forgive my ignorance: what is written in this Korherr Report? Where can I read it?


We direct you to:

http://thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=397

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:25 am)

The one and only Dr. Korherr has distanced himself from his "report".

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Korherr's letter to Der Spiegel, n.28, 7/1977, p72-74:
The well-known, racially persecuted writer H.G. Adler, previously resident in Prague, now in London, wrote in the foreword to the second edition to his extraordinary book Theresienstadt 1941-1945 in 1960:

"It has definitely been determined that the designation of Dr. Korherr as SS-statistician...is not true, because he never belonged to the SS and has been rehabilitated insofar as his behaviour in the National Socialist years is concerned."

Unfortunately, Der Spiegel is publishing the claim of the English historian Irving that in the spring of 1942, at Himmler's order, I calculated the number of Jewish victims. In fact, these figures along with the text were delivered to me in completed form by the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) with the order that not one word or figure was to be changed.

The statement that I had claimed in this regard that more than a million Jews had died as a result of special treatment in the camps in German-occupied Poland and in the Warthegau is also incorrect. I have to protest against the word "died" in this context.

It was precisely the term "special treatment" (sonderbehandlung)that motivated me to inquire of the RSHA by telephone what this term meant. I received the answer that it referred to Jews who would be settled in the
District of Lublin.

Dr. Richard Korherr
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Nr. 28, July 1977, p. 72-74, Der SPIEGEL, an article commenting on the controversy surrounding David Irving's book "Hitler's War" under the title : HITLER -- Kecke Revision.
Korherr's letter appears among a series of reactions ("Hitler gegen Irving") by people like Robert M. W. Kempner or the historians John Toland and Hans-Heinrich Wilhelm An English translation of the letter was presented during Udo Walendy's testimony at the Zündel trial 1988.
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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 1:58 pm)

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Postby Independent Thinker » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:09 pm)

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OK, Sir, then I'll ask only one question:

Just read through the translation of the KH on the site pointed out by Hebden. This part is especially interesting:

All evacuations on the territory of the Reich and including the eastern territories and further in the German area of power and influence in Europe from October 1939 or later until 31.12.1942 resulted in the following numbers:

1. Evacuation of Jews from Baden
and the Palatinate to France ....... 6 504 Jews
2. Evacuation of Jews from the Reich
territory incl. the Protectorate and
Bialystok district to the East...... 170 642 "
3. Evacuation of Jews from the Reich
area and the Protectorate
to Theresienstadt................. 87 193
4. Transportation of Jews from the
eastern provinces to the Russian
East: ............................ 1 449 692 "
The following numbers were sifted
through the camps in the General
government ............. ........ 1 274 166 Jews
through the camps in the Warthegau..... 145 301 Jews
5. Evacuation from other
countries, namely:
France (insofar as occupied
before 10.11.1942 )............... 41 911 Jews
Netherlands........................ 38 571 "
Belgium............................ 16 886 "
Norway ........................... 532 "

Slovakia................. 56 691 Jews
Crotia ................ 4 927 "
------------------------------

Evacuations total(incl.
Theresienstadt and incl.
special treatment)........... 1 873 549 Jews
w./o Theresienstadt.......... 1 786 356 "


First question: How does Sanning deal with these data?

Next question will follow when this one is answered.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:14 pm)

Nothing about 'extermination' anywhere and Korherr debunks the whole mess anyway (see my post above). But it really doesn't matter, there is no evidence that they were murdered. Jews went where Jews are.

It's like asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin even though there are no angels.

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Postby Geordie » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:31 pm)

In what manner could the population statistics be presented cogently to believers? Of course, revisionists could ask the believers themselves to produce statistics which prove that x-million were "exterminated," but don't forget that they have got the upper hand - what with school indoctrination, films, offhand references to losing relatives in Auschwitz in almost every article regarding a Jewish person, etc.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:44 pm)

Yes, when people lie they must continue to lie. It's part of the 'big lie' technique.
The flat earth, earth centered planetary system, and belief in witches did not fall overnight. Those beliefs were all mandated by law and considered 'factual'.

Jews went where Jews are.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:49 pm)

Independent Thinker wrote: First question: How does Sanning deal with these data?


Sanning does not mention in his book the results of the Korherr Report. I tried to evaluate myself how Korherr would change Sanning’s results. It is quite messy and time consuming. I finally gave up on it.
And when Mr. Hebden came up with Korherr I was hoping that maybe he looked into this. And I would get the results the cheap way from him.
Apparently I am wrong.
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The Holocaust hoaxsters exaggerate and embellish a 60+ year old event in order to abuse the Palestinians and rob them of their land, while claiming a free pass for their barbaric conduct on account of the "holocaust".


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