Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were burned'

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Pizzaman » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:34 pm)

Hannover wrote:
Pizzaman wrote:I don't see the relationship between two houses' worth of ashes and pit cremations. What the witnesses say doesn't matter when analysing what is technically possible.


Wrong. What they said does matter.


I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, as I'm entitled to mine. I say that eyewitness reports don't matter when considering what is physically and technically possible. Or would you like to tell me that I somehow miscalculated the ash totals?

I know you would like to run from their ridiculous statements, but the record is clear, which makes you an 'eyewitness" denier.


Whatever. Are you always so rude?

The thoroughly refuted and laughable "eyewitness" statements claim enormous amounts of ash which cannot be shown to exist, Pizzaman. Simple as that. I seriously doubt if your attempted deflection to house sizes will be useful in showing the world the massive amounts of human ashes which are claimed by the Holocaust Industry and the lying "eyewitnesses".


Please tell me if I miscalculated the ash totals.

"They [the Sonderkommando men] put them [the corpses] in front of graves about 20m long, 3m wide and 2.50m.

There were about ten graves ready to receive the martyrs. Parallel to these open graves there were some that had been covered with earth and these extended over about 300 meters […]"

Witness Buki stated :[9]

"We took the trolleys to a grave about 40 meters long and I think about 6 meters wide [240 m2], which was about 100 meters away from the house."

Witness Garbarz said:[10]

"We saw big rectangles traced on the ground twenty or thirty meters wide by fifty or 60 meters long. In one of these rectangles the ground was stained red."


I challenge you to show us the ashes as alleged, Pizzaman.

- Hannover


Those are body totals, not ash totals. Please learn the difference. Give me the ash allegations and we'll go from there.

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Hannover » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:49 pm)

Pizzaman:
Those are body totals, not ash totals.

Then show us the human remains.

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Pizzaman » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:56 pm)

Show you what? The ashes? Didn't we just get through discussing what was done with them, no matter how many were killed?

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Hannover » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:03 pm)

Those are body totals, not ash totals. Please learn the difference.

Wrong. According to the "eyewitnesses", these 'bodies' were supposedly cremated in alleged massive pits*. It is you who should learn the difference.
Read: http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/GaertnerRa ... r3-12.html

* and not 'thrown into a river'.

Try and keep up.

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Cloud » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:38 pm)

Pizzaman wrote:Show you what? The ashes? Didn't we just get through discussing what was done with them, no matter how many were killed?

Hans wrote:Also we know from testimonies that it was tried by the Germans to remove ash which was previously buried and deposited in rivers.

How many trips were made in total, and on what dates did they occur? What were the names of all the personnel involved, what were their specific tasks, and how did they become involved in the first place? Which day had the most trips, and which had the least? What kind of containers were used to hold the ash, where were they obtained, how large were they, and on average how many were placed on a vehicle? What types of vehicles were used, and how many of each type were used? How many trips made during the day and during the night? How much was spent on fuel? Which routes(s) was/were chosen to take the ash to its disposal, and who made those decisions? What ultimately was done with the ash containers and to the vehicles? Who were the persons in charge of this operation, and on what periods were they in charge? What sums of money were paid out to the personnel involved? You need a good deal of documentation to support your answers. Testimonies are not ideal due to problems with human memory.
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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby The Warden » 8 years 4 months ago (Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:21 am)

I'm not sure of Pizzman's position here.
Are you saying because something is plausible, it must have happened?
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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Cloud » 8 years 4 months ago (Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:36 pm)

The Warden wrote:I'm not sure of Pizzman's position here.

To the defeat the revisionists.

He reminds me a lot of Wroclaw.

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Pizzaman » 8 years 4 months ago (Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:42 pm)

Several posts of mine have been deleted, most importantly both mine and Kageki's posts about the Hydrokop report.

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Kageki » 8 years 4 months ago (Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:52 pm)

The posts on Hydrokop weren't relevant because no one knows the detail since it hasn't been published and hence doesn't answer the question.

If the answer is that all the ashes were dumped into rivers then what about these pits and ponds?

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Moderator3 » 8 years 4 months ago (Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:13 pm)

Pizzaman wrote:Several posts of mine have been deleted, most importantly both mine and Kageki's posts about the Hydrokop report.

You essentially posted; 'There is the Hydrokop report', without commenting about it, or even producing it. Not what would be considered open debate, which is what this Forum emphasizes.
And as Kageki (whom you referred to in hopes of gaining an ally) has said:
The posts on Hydrokop weren't relevant because no one knows the detail since it hasn't been published and hence doesn't answer the question.

So the question remains, what Hydrokop "report"? If you can, please show us the entirety of this alleged report, the source of it, the original version, and tell us why you think it is relevant to the topic of this thread.
We have also noted that you have dodged numerous questions put to you regarding your stated positions. Again, you're tactics are not open debate.
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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Kingfisher » 8 years 4 months ago (Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:11 pm)

The only Google hit, from Nizkor:
"In 1965, Hydrokop, a chemical mining enterprise based in Krakow, was commissioned by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum to carry out geological tests at Birkenau aimed at determining the locations of incineration pits and pyres. Specialists of Hydrokop bored 303 holes up to 3 m deep. Traces of human ashes, bones, and hair turned up in 42 sites. Documentation of all the holes and the diagrams of their distribution are preserved in the Conservation Department of the Museum." (Franciszek Piper, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, p. 179n).

"Traces" in 42 borings out of 303 doesn't sound too conclusive, in an environment where no one disputes that corpses were cremated.

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Pizzaman » 8 years 4 months ago (Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:18 pm)

Again, what I'd said was that the Hydrokop firm identified bones and hair at several dozen locations in Auschwitz. I didn't just refer to the report; I said something about what they found. And I also said that Udo Walendy published parts for it. I have a PDF.

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Moderator3 » 8 years 4 months ago (Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:03 am)

Pizzaman wrote:Again, what I'd said was that the Hydrokop firm identified bones and hair at several dozen locations in Auschwitz. I didn't just refer to the report; I said something about what they found. And I also said that Udo Walendy published parts for it. I have a PDF.

Show us the full Hydrokop report, don't just claim it. Until then, you're talking in a vacuum.

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Kageki » 8 years 4 months ago (Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:50 pm)

Pizzaman wrote:Again, what I'd said was that the Hydrokop firm identified bones and hair at several dozen locations in Auschwitz. I didn't just refer to the report; I said something about what they found. And I also said that Udo Walendy published parts for it. I have a PDF.


http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p-3_Rudolf.html
In 1966 the Auschwitz State Museum commissioned the Polish company Hydrokop to drill into the soil of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp and to analyze the samples. It is not known whether this research was done in the context of the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial. The results, however, vanished into the museum's archives: they have never been released, which by itself is revealing enough. Years later, however, several pages from this report were photocopied and sent to the German revisionist publisher Udo Walendy, who published them with commentary in an issue of his periodical.[see note] Traces of bones and hair allegedly found at several places might indicate mass graves. The few pages published by Walendy, however, do not reveal whether these findings led to an excavation or a subsequent forensic study of the traces. It is not even evident whether the bone and hair samples collected are human or animal remains.


So is the answer to the pits and the pond this Hydrokop report? Is that what the Auschwitz museum is basing it on?

Did Hydrokop drill into the Krema IV ash pond or these other pits?
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/auschwitz ... hPits.html

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Re: Cremation pits in swamps / '20,000 bodies a day were bur

Postby Pizzaman » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:55 am)

Kageki wrote:So is the answer to the pits and the pond this Hydrokop report? Is that what the Auschwitz museum is basing it on?


Yes, on the pits, but only in part. No idea about the pond. I haven't looked into it.

Did Hydrokop drill into the Krema IV ash pond or these other pits?
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/auschwitz ... hPits.html


I don't think the pond.


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