Franciszek Piper about drillings in Auschwitz / Hydrokop

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Franciszek Piper about drillings in Auschwitz / Hydrokop

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:37 am)

This is a quote from a thread in another forum.

Franciszek Piper, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, p. 179n
In 1965, Hydrokop, a chemical mining enterprise based in Krakow, was commissioned by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum to carry out geological tests at Birkenau aimed at determining the locations of incineration pits and pyres. Specialists of Hydrokop bored 303 holes up to 3 m deep. Traces of human ashes, bones, and hair turned up in 42 sites.[meine Hervorhebung – RM] Documentation of all the holes and the diagrams of their distribution are preserved in the Conservation Department of the Museum.

Has this been analysed or is it the normal communistic propaganda?
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Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:28 am)

Approximately 75, 000 people died at Auschwitz during WW2. It is not surprising that their "ashes" would be found at the site. It is know that as many as 250 people a day died there during the height of the typhus epidemics and with only 50 crematoriums available for duty, many of the bodies were not fully cremated at this time and their remains could easily be found today.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:29 am)

Wrong.

This 'documentation', inspite of requests, has never been shown.
Note that no one can show us the actual study, only tell us the alleged results.

Where's the data?

Where is the methodology explained?

Where were these 'borings' done? If we knew, the 'study' could be repeated. Repeatability is the 1st qualification of any credible study. Ofcourse, if the study is bogus, which it obviously is, the shysters (communists in this case) do not want anyone attempting verification.

Hair and ashes? Wouldn't hair burn in the cremation process?
If you consider the large numbers of laborers that had their head shaved, well, you're talking lots of hair to be thrown away. It could certainly show up in a sample of a garbage dump. And the story is complicated by the fact that all those allegedly gassed supposedly had their head shaved prior to gassings.

excerpt from:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p-3_Rudolf.html
In Search of Mass Graves

In 1966 the Auschwitz State Museum commissioned the Polish company Hydrokop to drill into the soil of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp and to analyze the samples. It is not known whether this research was done in the context of the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial. The results, however, vanished into the museum's archives: they have never been released, which by itself is revealing enough.

Years later, however, several [alleged] pages from this report were photocopied and sent to the German revisionist publisher Udo Walendy, who published them with commentary in an issue of his periodical. [see note] Traces of bones and hair allegedly found at several places might indicate mass graves. The few pages published by Walendy, however, do not reveal whether these findings led to an excavation or a subsequent forensic study of the traces. It is not even evident whether the bone and hair samples collected are human or animal remains.


The 'Hydrokop Report' is a fraud. If it had any merit at all we would be seeing it, not merely hearing about it. If it had any merit we would find it readily available.

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:33 am)

Thanks guys.
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:23 pm)

But does Piper give a footnote/reference/source in his book?

Oh, actually I notice Claudia writes "page 179n" The N meaning "note." The study is apparently in the conservation department of the Auschwitz Museum. I wonder what would happen if a person went there and asked for it.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:56 pm)

The study is apparently in the conservation department of the Auschwitz Museum

Yeah, right, "apparently".

Notice that the 'holocau$t' Industry hides it, rather than showing it. Why is that?

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:09 pm)

How anyone can have any faith in Piper's word is a beyond comprehension. David Cole made him look like a guilty infant in his video and really brought home what a mumbling, stuttering little liar he is. He's another money orientated grubber who knows nothing about his 'reconstructed' monuments he possessively guards and acts as sentinel for.

If there was anything in the ground worth digging up, they would have had their cameras down there and paraded the findings before the world years ago.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:10 pm)

Claudia came up with this quote:
In 1965, Hydrokop, a chemical mining enterprise based in Krakow, was commissioned by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum to carry out geological tests at Birkenau aimed at determining the locations of incineration pits and pyres. Specialists of Hydrokop bored 303 holes up to 3 m deep. Traces of human ashes, bones, and hair turned up in 42 sites.[meine Hervorhebung – RM] Documentation of all the holes and the diagrams of their distribution are preserved in the Conservation Department of the Museum.


The Hydrokop Report? Slowly I turn, step by step, inch by inch, ...

I used to hassle with the members of the Holocaust History Project about that on alt.revisionism. Where is the full report? How come we never see it? Etc. Eventually I got one of them to say they saw it on a visit to the museum. What else did it say besides what Piper says? How many pages is it? Etc. The person, Mr.Keren I recall said it was one (1) page long, evidently not wanting to say it was more so he wouldn't have to make up too much. But it was a big page, he said. Mostly diagram, he said.

Germar's site has -

In 1966, the Auschwitz State Museum commissioned the Polish company Hydrokop to drill into the soil of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp and to analyze the samples. It is not known whether this research was done in the context of the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial. The results, however, vanished into the museum's archives: they have never been released, which by itself is revealing enough. Years later, however, several pages from this report were photocopied and sent to the German revisionist publisher Udo Walendy, who published them with commentary in an issue of his periodical.[86] Traces of bones and hair allegedly found at several places might indicate mass graves. The few pages published by Walendy, however, do not reveal whether these findings led to an excavation or a subsequent forensic study of the traces. It is not even evident whether the bone and hair samples collected are human or animal remains.


Anyway, the only place we have ever seen a report of the report is by Piper. That Hydrokop was supposed to have drilled 303 holes fits in with the more recent alleged probe at Belzec where they say they did more than 2000. In the report it says it was the only time any such probes were made like that in a systematic way using a orderly grid like pattern. In that case the Hydrokop method must have been ala 'chicken with its head cut off'. Cluck.

Nope, no one has ever really seen any such Hydrokop report and no one ever will. Cccluck.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:26 pm)

If Hydrokop would have found anything, even only a single hair strand with the traces of HCN, the whole world would know this, you can bet your life on it.
The Jews would have screamed HERE IS THE PROOF!! WE NEED MORE MONEY!

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:38 am)

Interesting report.

Mr.Keren ... said it was one (1) page long


Years later, however, several pages from this report were photocopied and sent to the German revisionist publisher Udo Walendy, ...


From my professional experience I can say that you need at least one page for the description of four (4) boring holes - if you describe the findings as briefly as possible. But lets be conservative - we calculate with eight (8). So the report has to have at least 37 pages only for the result, without discussion, interpretation, maps, graphics and so on.

The question is: What did Keren see in the museum?
The second question is: Is he really so stupit to belief that a 303-holes-report can be one page long (even if it is a big page)?
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:50 am)

I did some web searches and found Claudia's quote on Nizkor, but the book doesn't seem to exist. It's not listed at the Library of Congress.

Furthermore, I don't think a hydrokop study ever came out. It would have been news then. Neither Library of Congress, UC Berkeley or Stanford University has anything on a hydrokop study. And if there was such a study in 1965, they'd have it.

Did Piper even write a book of that title?

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:40 pm)

I think there's a chance that the hydrokop project never happened. Udo Walendy was given disinformation. And then other revisionists like Rudolf cited him as a source and this hydrokop story continued on and on. The idea that a couple pages from the report made it to Walendy is bogus to begin with. Why a couple pages? I believe Walendy but believe that someone fed him a fabrication.

The name "hydrokop" is so unique that it lends itself well to google searches and library catalog searches, where one can see that one or two bogus quotes have been propelling this myth on both sides of the debate.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:54 pm)

I agree, Walendy took the bait.

This is classic disinformation as the 'report' says so little, which makes it less susceptible to being pinned down and committed to details which can be easily refuted. Claiming that it is in some archive is a method to offer a 'plausible' response to calls of "let's see it". It's so typical.

If it existed we would be seeing it with no excuses.

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Postby DowntownSteve » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:16 pm)

Hi everybody,

I agree that Piper makes a really bad case in the Cole video. IF that's the best the H-Industry has to offer then they are in truly sad shape. I also agree that if this Hydrokop report had any credability we would be seeing it all over the place.

The whole story stinks. That's why I signed on here.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:28 pm)

Here is the Library of Congress information for the above-mentioned book:

Anatomy of the Auschwitz death camp / Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum,...

LC Control Number: 93045729
Type of Material: Text (Book, Microform, Electronic, etc.)
Brief Description: Anatomy of the Auschwitz death camp / Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum, editors ; editorial board, Yehuda Bauer, Raul Hilberg, and Franciszek Piper.

Bloomington : Published in association with the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. by Indiana University Press, c1994.
xvi, 638 p. : ill. ; 25 cm. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CALL NUMBER: D805.P7 A53 1994

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