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Auschwitz "Gassings" Authoritative sources

Postby oberststuhlherr » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:15 pm)

Is there a short-list of sources that Holocaust believers will, in general, stand by as presenting proof of gassings at Auschwitz?

Likewise for revisionists who deny that these gassings took place?

I'm interested in technical studies that address the logistics, physics, statistics, mechanics, etc.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:38 pm)

The alleged gas chamber story is as far as I know not based on material or documentary evidence, but rather on eyewitness testimonies, survivors and perpetrators.
And the list of these witnesses`is not a short one, some Holocaust believers quote 100 witnesses.

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Postby oberststuhlherr » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:21 pm)

Bergmann wrote:The alleged gas chamber story is as far as I know not based on material or documentary evidence, but rather on eyewitness testimonies, survivors and perpetrators.
And the list of these witnesses`is not a short one, some Holocaust believers quote 100 witnesses.


What about this one?

Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp
by Israel Gutman (Editor), Michael Berenbaum (Editor), Yisrael Gutman (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 89-0132768

And:

Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, by Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein, Adalbert Ruckerl

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:49 pm)

oberststuhlherr

What about this one?


Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp
by Israel Gutman (Editor), Michael Berenbaum (Editor), Yisrael Gutman (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 89-0132768

And:

Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, by Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein, Adalbert Ruckerl

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Two 'good' choices. The first one is more recent and the second one is older. Check them out and bring some of the 'facts' over here and find out what's up.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:26 pm)

oberststuhlherr wrote:
Bergmann wrote:The alleged gas chamber story is as far as I know not based on material or documentary evidence, but rather on eyewitness testimonies, survivors and perpetrators.
And the list of these witnesses`is not a short one, some Holocaust believers quote 100 witnesses.


What about this one?

Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp
by Israel Gutman (Editor), Michael Berenbaum (Editor), Yisrael Gutman (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 89-0132768

And:

Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas, by Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein, Adalbert Ruckerl

I have a copy of the latter book in German:
Kogon/Rückerl/Langbein et al: Nationalsozialistische Massentötungen duch Giftgas

As I said before, the only evidence they have according to the book are witness testimonies.
According to the Introduction of the book, the purpose of the book is not to prove the existence of homicidal gas chambers, but rather to provide argumentations against revisionists.

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Postby Guptalicious » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:27 am)

The only two books believers can point to are Pressac and Van Pelt's book written after the Irving trial.

The most recent Rudolf Report covers everything revisionists have done on Auschwitz, so it is the best revisionist text to consult.

Pressac has been seriously shredded since its publication in 1989.

Van Pelt's book has been discussed often since the Irving trial. Not much left.

Basically, Van Pelt's argument rests on the following:

1. That the cremation memo is authentic. No one else really believes this.
Its implied 15 minute cremation time is impossible.

2. That it is possible to cremate a body with 3 kg of coke. This is contrary to any information anyone can provide concerning cremations, or even incinerations.

3. That the holes in the roof don't exist today, but that doesn't mean that they didn't, once upon a time. This argument is completely senseless, but there it is.

4. That the postwar Polish and Soviet communist commissions had integrity, and their results carry weight. This is ludicrous.

5. That early postwar witness like Tauber are credible, no matter how incredible some of their claims.

In short, Van Pelt is easy to dismiss. It is important to keep in mind that over the last ten years particularly Rudolf, Mattogno, and Crowell have shredded the suggested "criminal trace" evidence, which means that Van Pelt's interpretation does not rest on documents, nor can it.

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Postby Holohoax » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:43 am)

After the Lipstadt trial the standard sacred text is van Pelt's "The Case for Auschwitz".

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:55 am)

There are many Revisionist works which shred the 'gassings' claims, here are a few must reads:

- Juergen Graf's Revisionist Basics
http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/graf/toc.htm

- The Rudolf Report
http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

- Dissecting the Holocaust
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/found.html

- Critique of Claims Made by Robert Jan Van Pelt, by Germar Rudolf
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html

- see Germar Rudolf's main site:
www.vho.org
for books on various camps and the unsustainable gassing claims

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