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Seriously disturbed Hitler

Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:52 am)

Front page reference to inner article in the

New York Times
March 31, 2005

Early Look at Hitler's Mind

Front page teaser

He was a feminine boy, as a soldier was "Annoyingly subservient" to officers and had nightmares "very suggestive of homosexual panic", according to a 1943 psychological profile of Hitler written for American intelligence.


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He was a feminine boy, averse to manual work, who was "annoyingly subservient" to superior officers as a young soldier and had nightmares that were "very suggestive of homosexual panic." The mass killings that he later perpetrated stemmed in part from a desperate loathing of his own submissive weakness, and the humiliations of being beaten by a sadistic father.

What is believed to be the first psychological profile of Hitler commissioned by the Office of Strategic Services, a predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency, was posted this month by Cornell University Law Library on its Web site (www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/donovan/hitler/). Although declassified some years ago, the report, written in 1943, has not been widely cited or available to the public, historians and librarians at Cornell say.
The library published the analysis after receiving permission from a relative of its author, the late Dr. Henry A. Murray, a prominent personality expert at Harvard in the middle of the last century. The document's release was reported on Tuesday on the Fox News program "The Big Story With John Gibson."

The library published the analysis after receiving permission from a relative of its author, the late Dr. Henry A. Murray, a prominent personality expert at Harvard in the middle of the last century. The document's release was reported on Tuesday on the Fox News program "The Big Story With John Gibson."

"For a long time, people thought there was only one psychological profile of Hitler commissioned by the O.S.S.," said Dr. Jerrold M. Post, a professor of psychiatry at George Washington University and the founder of the C.I.A.'s psychological branch, referring to a wartime report by Dr. Walter C. Langer that formed the basis of his 1972 book, "The Mind of Adolf Hitler."

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Some experts, including Dr. Post himself, are not convinced that the report is without significant shortcomings.



Nevertheless it didn't keep the NYT from running the article which is presented so the reader should believe it.

Who says it was a OSS report? Mentions books. The article goes on to say Murray was a controversial figure involved in some psychological experiments at Harvard in which the Unabomber was a party.

And what about the homosexual connection? Would that be the NYT implying in it's presentation that it's a bad thing, seeing how it was included in its front page intro? Well, some times, or most of the time the Times would be shouting for homosexual rights and equality but when it comes to demonizing the enemies of the Holocaust community things are different.

Anyway, for the most part it's all a bunch of the usual nonsense.

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Postby DowntownSteve » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:12 am)

I read it and it's hysterical. I liked the parts of about dropping leaflets on the Germans to make them revolt against Hitler.

The whole thing reads like Freud's crap that I had to read in college.

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Postby Maly Jacek » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:57 am)

I agree

That reminds me of that nonsense book of Lothar Machtan "Hidden Hilter" suggesting Hitler was homosexual.

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Postby oberststuhlherr » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:40 am)

Maly Jacek wrote:I agree

That reminds me of that nonsense book of Lothar Machtan "Hidden Hilter" suggesting Hitler was homosexual.


I don't believe Hitler was homosexual. He had some 'issues'. Wars do things like that to people. What I find interesting is that this is treated as "News fit to print" in 2005. The New Yourk Times prints what fits.
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Postby gasto » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:54 am)

It´s been now 60 years since the end of World War II, and they are still demonizing and humiliating Hitler....

It´s so shameful...
If Human Soap rumour was fake, why can´t all the other absurd claims be too??

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:53 pm)

As Tom Moran suggested, the media is constantly trumpeting the validity of homosexuality, how they are discriminated against, blah blah, etc. Then we see wild attempts to label Hitler a 'homosexual', as if being homosexual is wrong & evil. Typical. They speak out of both sides of their mouth.

Since they can provide no evidence for their laughable 'holocau$t' as alleged, they resort to all sorts of transparent tricks.

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:21 pm)

I'm not sure if this thread should be here, but that's up to the moderators.

But yes, it's so true: they use the homosexual freedom thing when it's advantageous and the next second will demonize someone as a homosexual. You see it all the time on posting boards. Lately with Yasser Arafat's death and the subsequent allegations spread by the Zionist crowd that he died from AIDS.

It wasn't enough for Irma Grese to beat prisoners, torture prisoners, have human skin lampshades??, but she also had to be a, No don't say it! LESBIAN.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:50 pm)

I'm not sure if this thread should be here, but that's up to the moderators.

Ofcourse the Moderators will decide, but I think it's relevant to this forum.

By demonizing Hitler with wild unsubstantiated accusations the net effect is scare the reader from ultimately challenging the stupid 'holocau$t' nonsense. It's a side door approach. As I have said before, there's Hitler & the National Socialists with the '6,000,000 & gas chambers', and there's Hitler & the National Socialists without the '6,000,000 & gas chambers'.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:35 pm)

Yes, knowing how wartime deception works, how non sequitur arguments work. How accusations work. How the whole psychological thing works.

If I don't believe that Saddam Hussein's forces pulled babies off life support systems in 1990 in Kuwait, does that mean I must secretly support Saddam Hussein?

If I don't believe our troops should be in Iraq, does that mean I don't "support" our troops?

Understanding this stuff is key to being a revisionist.
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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:47 pm)

Well, that is the kind of reasoning that pervades the pro-war useful idiots on the web and in the media. If you're against the war you simply must support Saddam and everything he stands for. The same shockingly fallacious thinking is even more widespread when it comes to pointing out WW2/National Socialism truths to people.

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Postby Ajax » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:48 pm)

As has been noted already, these masters of pseudoscience will do anything to cobble up some 'new' theory, or simply save the time and brazenly churn out one of the well-worn ones.

Hitler was mad. Hitler had syphilis. Hitler was a paedo. Hitler liked to defecate on Geli. Hitler had this, Hitler liked that. Hitler did this, Hitler did that. Frankly, it's tedious and tiresome.

It's horse manure, and rather than us getting annoyed by it we should be laughing.
Scour the surface throughly until it is glistening...

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:24 pm)

Well that's the thing: once you're a revisionist, a lot of different things might then be important to you. For one, that the holocaust has a lot to do with the world economy. Here's how: middle east foreign policy via aid to Israel and support of Israel, and look what's happened from all that. The world economy is effected by it. Before Iraq, the US had a surplus budget, now we're in deficit spending again.

The fact is, the axiom that the holocaust happened is tied-in to policy involving a region where most of the world's oil is located, which then effects the world economy.

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Postby Juan » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:45 pm)

My post got deleted :?

I'd like to know why, time is not precisely an abundant commodity for me right now.

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Postby Moderator3 » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:48 am)

Juan:
We can appreciate your views, but there seems to be simply too much drift of late in some of threads. It was felt that your post did not augment the thread topic. Others in this thread have at least attempted to make a connection to Revisionism & the so called big 'h'. You did not.

We do recognize your value to this forum, do not let this deletion discourage you.
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Postby kk » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:29 pm)

Hitler fought from 1914 to 1918. In the last month of the war was incapacited
because he was blinded by yperite (mustard) gas.
He was in pain for at least a few months after this.
We now tend to forget the great war years and the meaning of them.
One has to read the memoirs of the people who fought this war to realize
the true magnitude of the excruciating experiences of the men that lived
through it.
"Storms of Steel" by Ernst Juenger or Edmund Blunden's "Undertones of
War" are among the few true books about the period. ('Nothing New on
the Western Front" is a fake concerning experience, but a true book as to
the sentiment.)
Considering Hitler's record as a soldier in the Western Front and his Iron
Cross First Class, as well as his immediate post-war experience,I think
most of the psychological profiles about him are invalid.

Trying to psychoanalyse Hitler is like trying to explain biblical religion
in non-jewish terms, ie. impossible.


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