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If I see empirical data and rational assessments that show otherwise I'll alter my view.
Based on information by AMCHA about the number of survivors in 1996 calculations show that about 3.4 million Jews survived the Holocaust. http://vho.org/VffG/1997/2/RudWie2.html
That would result in about 600,000 victims at the most.
How many died of typhus epidemics?
How many were part of the illegal terrorist partisans?
How many we're common criminals executed for capital crimes.
How many did the Allies kill in their bombings of the camps?
How many were deported to the interior of the Soviet Union?
How many died in the Soviet Red Army?
Plus, we can expect AMCHA (a radically Zionist organization) to under report the real numbers of so called 'survivors'
World Jewish Population 1938!
TOTAL - 15,748,091
World Jewish Population 1948!
TOTAL - 15,753,638
SO tell me how 15,748,091 minus 15,753,638 equals:
A 5 thousand odd gain in population equals your 600,000 loss.
Check out this site for population figures from the World Book Almanac,
American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council,
Find 'Jewish Populations in Millions'
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Setting aside the fact that is a crime to murder a person, it´s not the same to say "6 million jews died" that "200,000 jews died"....
Is it ok to murder 200,000 people?
Who said 200,000 were murdered? Not me. Clearly most died of disease, for which some would assign an indirect guilt upon the Germans, I do not. There were camps a plenty run by the Allies, the communist called them 'gulags'. Masses of people died in them.
Numbers do matter. The 'so what if it is only xxx,xxx, does it matter? It's still horrible ?' is a cop out. The 'holocau$t' Industry claims that it was a systematic, industrialized genocide unequalled in history'. They cling to that 6,000,000 like fleas on a hound. It does matter and they know it.
As I said, Jews suffered much much less than other groups in WWII.
Hannover wrote:Who said 200,000 were murdered? Not me. Clearly most died of disease, for which some would assign an indirect guilt upon the Germans, I do not. There were camps a plenty run by the Allies, the communist called them 'gulags'. Masses of people died in them.
Whether or not the Soviets killed people is not the question here. I have gotten some responses about direct German responsibility for Jewish deaths, with estimates close to this estimate of 200,000. Fine. But now I'm being told that these people were not murdered. Thus I have no answer to my original question, at least not from Hannover.
Hannover, will you state the number you believe were deliberately killed and were innocent of any crime?
I am more than happy to discuss the death figures once you clarify yours.
I don't know. Maybe a few thousand in reprisal actions for terrorist partisans activities & saboteurs. It's difficult to know exactly. And I don't really care if you discuss your believed numbers or not. What we know for certain is that there were no gas chambers or 1,000,000 -2,000,000 mass shootings alleged of the Einsatzgruppen. You cannot show otherwise.
I stand by my grand total of 200,000.
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It sounds like you don't want the typhus deaths as part of the number. And if that's the case then you probably don't want the starvation deaths. Germany was starving during the war also. That's due to the allies. The lack of food in the camps had to do with lack of food in Germany. Which involved food transport lines bombed and an allied food blockade. Dresden was a food transport center to the east. What happened to Dresden?
Surprise surprise that you've likely never seen a photo of starving Germans. I wonder why?
So considering that, do I have an answer to your question? No. And I guess you don't have an answer to your question either. So it's hardly a case that you stumped the revisionist forum and proved the holocaust happened.
Thank you, Hannover, and others who answered my query. I was trying to conceive of a range of what Revisionists believe.
Since no one apparently cares what I believe, I won't share it, unless asked to.
We are indeed interested in what you think. Tell us how many Jews you think were killed and we'll kick it around a bit.
Remember this is what I said:
I don't know. Maybe a few thousand in reprisal actions for terrorist partisans activities & saboteurs. It's difficult to know exactly.
I stand by my grand total of 200,000.
That was part of my reason for asking in the first place.
I'm going to take a look at Sanning's work if it's available in English. Is it, does anyone kinow?
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