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statements of Hans Munch

Postby Johng » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:00 am)

seeing as Groning was so much fun

Hans Münch
The Auschwitz Declaration
January 27, 1995

I, Dr. Hans Munch hereby attest that, as an SS physician on duty in Auschwitz in 1944, I witnessed the selection process of those who were to live and those who were to die. Other SS physicians on duty in the camps made selections at the platform where the transports arrived. They also made selections in the barracks. I was exempt from performing selections because I had refused to do so.
I further attest that I saw thousands of people gassed here at Auschwitz. Children, old people, the sick and those unable to work were sent to the gas chambers. These were innocent human beings: Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Hitler's political opponents - anyone who did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure Aryan race.
I am signing this paper of my own free will to help document the cruel intolerance of my fellow SS.
I, a former SS physician, witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into simulated exhaust vents from outside the gas chambers. Zyklon B began to work as soon as it was released from the canisters. The effects of the gas were observed through a peephole by an assigned doctor or the SS officer on duty. After three to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as a sign that the corpses were cleared to be burned.
This is the nightmare I continue to live with fifty years later.
I am so sorry that in some way I was part of it. Under the prevailing circumstances I did the best I could to save as many lives as possible. Joining the SS was a mistake. I was young. I was an opportunist. And once I joined, there was no way out.
(signed)
Dr. Hans Munch
January 27, 1995, Auschwitz

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:47 am)

Yep, Groening was shown as an absurd liar, now see Muench shown as the same.

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Just Another Auschwitz Liar

Dr. Münch, 87, "gave" a testimony to Bruno Schirra, an "independent" journalist; it was published in Der Spiegel on Sept. 26,1998. He had been a SS physician in Auschwitz in 1943 and after. The greatest suspicion should be exercised before accepting this statement, mostly because the son of the old man wrote to the weekly to express his amazement. He said the mind of his father has been "weakened" since two years. He thinks his father's sentences, over the phone, have been "either misunterstood or misinterpreted."

We have now a declaration he signed in 1995, presumably at a time his mind was not yet too much threatened by senility. Here is the affidavit he gave to a to Mrs Eva Mozes Kor in January 1995 in Auschwitz:

I, Dr. Hans Münch hereby attest that, as an SS physician on duty in Auschwitz in 1944, I witnessed the selection process of those who were to live and those who were to die. Other SS physicians on duty in the camps made selections at the platform where the transports arrived. They also made selections in the barracks. I was exempt from performing selections because I had refused to do so.

I further attest that I saw thousands of people gassed here at Auschwitz. Children, old people, the sick and those unable to work were sent to the gas chambers. These were innocent human beings: Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Hitler's political opponents -- anyone who did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure Aryan race.

I am signing this paper of my own free will to help document the cruel intolerance of my fellow SS.

I, a former SS physician, witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into simulated exhaust vents from outside the gas chamber. Zyklon B began to work as soon as it was released from the canisters. The effects of the gas were observed through a peephole by an assigned doctor or the SS officer on duty. After three to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as a sign that the corpses were cleared to be burned. This is the nightmare I continue to live with fifty years later.

I am so sorry that in some way I was part of it. Under the prevailing circumstances I did the best I could to save as many lives as possible. Joining the SS was a mistake. I was young. I was an opportunist. And once I joined, there was no way out.

Dr. Hans Münch
January 27, 1995, Auschwitz
===============================================

Assuming the author of the statement to be healthy at the time, we can easily identify a series of lies. We use here the word "lies" on purpose. As it will be shown, it is not possible that certain statements which are contrary to the truth were made by accident.

As a physician, he "witnessed" the "selection" at the platform (the "Ramp") but did not take part in them:
Very unlikely. The platform was outside of the main camps. You could not be there and "witness" if you had no official business there. If he did not participate in the "selection" (which, in itself, is a cause for condemnation in German courts), then he had no business being there and he describes the scene from reading it in books written after the war. This cannot be believed. Either he was ordered to participate in "special treatments" leading to the death of inmates and he is lying to hide his guilt, or he never received such an order, and he lies about his alleged "resistance".

In his Spiegel interview, he says he worked with Dr. Mengele, "a charming man", and that he just "refused" to do what he had been told to do. But at the same time he says that he injected pus in prisoners' gums, to experiment on "human material". If Mengele was only a tiny fraction of the evil man recounted by the orthodox histories of the camp, Dr. Münch would not be in a position to tell us his story now. Rebellion in the SS carried a heavy sentence. Or Dr. Mengele was not the man described in late stories and the reason why Dr. Münch did not participate in an extermination programs was that there was no such program in Auschwitz at the time. He adds that once he had joined the SS, he could not quit, which is quite untrue.

He saw thousands of people being "gassed" in Auschwitz. He says: "anyone who did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure Aryan race". This statement is totally absurd. Tens of millions of people who "did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure Aryan race" did survive the Nazi period, including hundreds of thousands in the camps. Dr. Münch betrays here a will to conform to the ideological needs of the present state in Germany.

He "witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into simulated exhaust vents "from outside the gas chamber". The trouble is that there is no hole on the ceiling, as can be verified today by inspecting the ruins of the gas chambers, still visible in Auschwitz concentration camp. Dr. Faurisson has called the world's attention to this FACT: there are no holes in the concrete slab which was the ceiling. Now the handful of testimonies recognized in the trials all mention or suppose the existence of holes to "introduce" the poison into the "chambers". But the physical evidence shows that these stories do not fit with reality. The description given by Dr. Münch is a physical impossibility. But it can be found in a number of books and "testimonies" of other liars, like Dr. Vrba, Dr. Niyszli and such like. These testimonies must now be either amended -- and a new explanation of the technique of poisoning should be quickly discovered -- or abandoned, with the story of the gassings itself.

But the most enormous lie is in the following sentence: "After three to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as a sign that the corpses were cleared to be burned". All this is utterly impossible, contradicts the laws of physics and
chemistry and is a pure invention. This man is just quoting worn out literary precedents. He is not as creative and inventive as
Wilkomisrki.

Maybe the most disgusting is his assertion, without qualification, that he contributed to save as many lives as he could. If anyone can believe this, then this would open a new window in the area of Jewish gullibility, which, we have reckoned already, is limitless when the magic word "Holocaust" is pronounced.

In another statement reproduced on the CANDLES website, he declared: "I had to watch the operation of the gas chambers and then, when the bodies were dead, I had to sign the death certificates."

Now, here again, the man is playing on several sides of the reality. It is true that the death of one inmate triggered a flow of papers. We know from former Polish members of the camp administration that twenty-one signatures were required for an ordinary death (33 in case of unnatural death). And Münch comments on the general bureaucracy: "You had to sign a lot: that was top secret. That was just a formality." But the catch is in the official history: there were no death documents for those who were allegedly "gassed". The official history mentions days when 2000 people were allegedly gassed. If we stick to that history, Münch is a liar when he says he signed for the gassed dead bodies. And if we get away from the official history, Münch is a liar because there was no gassing. Which lie is the most profitable in Germany today?

Münch proudly proclaimed that "... a string of my prisoners spoke up for me ..." at his 1947 trial in Poland, where he was acquitted.

From another message by the same source (Witte): "Since 1943 Dr. Münch was occupied in the "Hygienisch-Bakteriologische Untersuchungsstelle der Waffen-SS und Polizei Südost" in Auschwitz-Rajsko.

The problem is that Rajsko is an external subcamp, devoted to agricultural research and specially the development of plants that could be used in the production of naturel rubber (Ersatzgummi). Some scholars have insisted that revisionist author Thies Christophersen, who had been at Rajsko, was disqualified because being there precluded any possibility to observe what was happening in the Stammlager or Birkenau. This should then be extended to Dr. Münch who was apparently in the same
situation.

"According to testimonies of survivors, who had been working with him in the 'Rajsko Laboratory,' for the Krakowian Auschwitz Trial of 1947 he however refused taking part in selections on the ramp and attending gassings any longer so that consequently on his own initiative he needn't in future either. Generally speaking his attitude and behavior toward prisoners was judged very positively by these survivors in 1947.

"What makes it difficult to bring him to court once again (ne bis in idem), is the fact that he was the only one of 40 Auschwitz SS-defendants in Crakow who was acquitted by Court and set free because of testimonies in his favor
by former prisoners. It is little known that after the war he wrote a basic study on "Hunger and Expectation of Life in Auschwitz" for the Polish Public Prosecutor, later published by the Auschwitz International Committee."
(Witte)

This shows that Dr. Münch was not a revolted guy but rather an obedient civil servant who dutifully collaborated with Polish
authorities when requested to.

The case of the lady who "whitewashed" him again is also interesting. Her name is Eva Moses Kor. She is the founder of CANDLES, a Holocaust museum. She participated in the Dec. 96 USHMM "Doctor's Trial Conference." Whatever that is.

Here is the report of someone who met her:

"Eva Moses Kor had compelling reasons to do extend the forgiveness. She was trying to get ex-SS men or anybody else with knowledge of what she and other twins were injected with to come forth with the information.
Her sister (her twin sister also subjected to Mengele) was at the time suffering with or had died from bladder cancer. The sister's doctor said that tests detected a strange substance present in her body, but the doctor could not identify it. Moses Kor and her sister felt certain that the mystery substance was the cause of the bladder cancer and that the substance entered the sister's body via an SS syringe at Auschwitz." [Miriam Mozes died in 1993, 48 years after she had left the camp.] Another case of extravagant gullibility! How can you believe you get a cancer 48 years after an injection? How mad are these people?

But there is more to it. The story of the twins, whatever its kernel of truth, has developed into a huge myth of uncontrollable proportions. This is what the commentator is adding:

"The US government was in possession of much unreleased information seized from the SS, but the IMT prosecutors did not see as necessary for their specifics of 1946. A small group of scholars were also allowed to sort though the materials to find what *they* considered relevant. But of the total material, they considered only a small amount to be *relevant.* (Our emplasis) ... But the twin survivors felt that the probability was high that such information was contained within. They petitioned and petitioned the US government all to no avail. It was only
after much petitioning that Eva Moses Kor issued her forgiveness. It was a last ditch effort to try to get somebody with knowledge to come forth. And this signing took place as part of a normal survivors's conference at Auschwitz. So press was already there. And any extra publicity Moses Kor and Muench might have made would have been designed to try to get the word to as many ex-SS and their families as possible so that whomever
among them has knowledge of what the twins were exposed to will learn of the amnesty." (Witte)

Now we have the reason of all this fuss. Some old lady, afraid of dying, imagines that, ages ago, she and her sister have received a mysterious substance from the evil doctors down there in Auschwitz. This looks like a story for "X-files". The truth is elsewhere. Now they start criticizing the Nuremberg highly selective way of collecting documents (a possibility which was denied to the defense counsels). Now they realize that Nuremberg itself is a heavily biased approach of history, done in the name of immediate political and military needs, including the consolidation of Soviet occupation of half Europe.

Eva Mozes was born in a Rumanian village in 1934. Same region as arch-liar Elie Wiesel. From Auschwitz she returned, with her twin sister, to Rumania, and then to Israel (1950-1960). Joined the army there. Later married and settled in Indiana, USA.

See her biography on her website. Another case of delusion. Here is the description of what was done to the twins, culled from her autobiography and reproduced on the Candles Website: "Three times a week we were marched to Auschwitz to a big brick building, sort of like a big gymnasium. They would keep us there for about six or eight hours at a time -- most of the days. [...] We would have to sit naked in the large room where we first entered, and people in white jackets would observe us and write down notes. They also would study every part of our bodies. They would photograph, measure our heads and arms and bodies, and compare the measurements of one twin to another. The process seemed to go on and on." (Echoes from Auschwitz, Kor). The laboratory experiments were described by Kor as follows: "Most of the time, they would take blood from one arm, and they gave us shots in the other." (Echoes from Auschwitz, Kor).

We learn that "Hans Münch, 87, a retired German physician who admits to helping Nazi doctor Joseph Mengele carry out medical experiments on concentration camp inmates is again under investigation." As Le Monde observed, "having been acquitted in Cracow for his part in the medical experiments, he could be sued for his taking part (contested) to the "selections" of Jews, or, simply, for incitement to racial hatred because of his statements in der Spiegel". The German "journalist" has
planted in Münch's mouth some expletives about the "Eastern Jews" and their servility. As one H-Holocaust police-minded "historian" said: "A friend of mine in Germany has pointed out that the Frankfurt/Main prosecutor's office "Staatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt/Main, Konrad-Adenauer-Str. 20, D-60313, Frankfurt/Main, Germany" would be happy to receive information which would assist with the current investigation. Cops, cops, all cops ... With whom else could we discuss?
Sources:

Dr. Hans Münch interview in Der Spiegel, 26 September 1998;
Dirk Münch' letter in Der Spiegel, 10 October 1998;
Dr. Münch's statement: posted on H-Holocaust by Peter Witte <[email protected]> on 22 and 23 Oct. 1998;
Info on Mrs Kor by Hosea Azriel <[email protected]>, 19 October 1998.
On the paper flow after the death of inmates in Auschwitz, see Dr. Tadeusz Paczula's contribution to vol. II (1, p.
38-73) of Anthologie, ed. by Jerzy Rawicz, Przeglad Lekarki Auschwitz (International Committee), 1969. This is
known as "The Blue Collection". Dr. Paczula was for a time in charge of Totenbücher, where deaths were registered;
The stories of Dr. Münch and Eva Kor as told -- in the style of fairy tales -- on the Website CANDLES, (The name is
an acronym for Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiment Survivors), founded by Eva Mozes Kor. She is
based in Terre Haute, Indiana. Probably a very boring place. It is a part of the booming US Shoah-business; her
biography is in a file called "eva". She sells a biography, Echoes from Auschwitz. She can be reached at
[email protected];
The Associated Press reports on 14 Oct the investigation of Dr. Münch.
Dr. Hans Münch, "Glod i czas przezycia w obozie oswiecimskim", (Hunger and Expectation of Life in Auschwitz) in
Przeglad Lekarski, 1967, Vol.1, p. 79-88.
On twins see "twin", a file on Candles website. Kor quotes the following works:
Lifton, Robert Jay. The Nazi Doctors. The United States: Basic Books. 1986.
Nyiszli., Dr. Miklos. Auschwitz: A Doctor's Story of Survival. New York: Fawcett Crest. 1960. [A well known
forgery]
Posner, Gerald L. and John Ware. Mengele. The Complete Story. New York: Dell Publishing. 1986.
Ramati, Alexander. And the Violins Stopped Playing.
Arnaud Leparmentier, "Les souvenirs sans remords du dernier médecin nazi d'Auschwitz", Le Monde , 3 October
1998, p. 1.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:48 am)

summary:

What Muensch's declarations show once more is the total absence of value of testimonial court evidence without cross-examination or forensic investigation.

- Muench is also interesting because after his acquittal he testified at the IG Farben Trial, one of the US run Nuremberg Trials after the IMT. On that occasion, he insisted that he heard about the gassings at Auschwitz first over the Swiss radio!!
“The effects of the gas were observed through a peephole by an assigned doctor or the SS officer on duty. After three to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as a sign that the corpses were cleared to be burned.”


Muench said he worked with Dr. Mengele, "a charming man", and that he just "refused" to do what he had been told to do.
- No chance, the SS in wartime would not have tolerated “refusal”.

Muench stated he saw thousands of people being "gassed" in Auschwitz. He says: "anyone who did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure Aryan race".
- This statement is totally absurd. Tens of millions of people who "did not fit Hitler's idea of a pure Aryan race" did survive the Nazi period, including hundreds of thousands in the camps.

A real beauty, Muench said:
"After three to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as a sign that the corpses were cleared to be burned".

- Utterly impossible, contradicts the laws of physics and chemistry and is a pure invention. This man is just quoting worn out literary precedents.

Muench declared:
"I had to watch the operation of the gas chambers and then, when the bodies were dead, I had to sign the death certificates."

- Problem, the official story says there were no death documents for those allegedly "gassed".

Remember, this is a guy who claims to have taken part in 'gassings', but was curiously acquitted.

Muench is not an uninterested party with no stakes in the matter. He underwent trial in 1946-47 in Communist Krakow, Poland and whatever he said about his direct experience with the "Auschwitz gas chamber" back then compromises him today. Therefore his reason for re-stating an outdated version of the gas chambers story would simply be an attempt at coherent behaviour on his part, the desire not to be seen as a liar.

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:49 am)

Good job. That's even more information than I expected there to be on Münch.

Eva Moses Kor will be on a BBC documentary on Wednesday, April 27 called Forgiving Dr. Mengele. The things they claim were done to them by Mengele are utterly ridiculous. Injecting dye into iris' and such nonsense, like a system valuing racial purity would want some kind of way of faking that purity.

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:57 pm)

"Jews, gypsies, homosexuals..." the list always goes like that. The man is reciting them myth perfectly.

It should be noted that:

The article on homosexual victims of the Nazis (dated 16 March) states that
many died in gas chambers. My understanding is that no homosexuals were ever
deported to the extermination camps. Those who died were in the German
concentration camps, which were not killing centres as such. If anyone on
this list has information about homosexuals deported to their deaths in the
extermination camps in Poland like Auschwitz, it would be interesting to
read it. I personally think that Yad Vashem is making a mistake in including
homosexuals. Male homosexuality was a criminal offense everywhere in the
world at the time- there was nothing specifically "Nazi" about severely
penalizing it. (Professor) William D. Rubinstein


Homosexuals weren't even sent there. We covered this recently.

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Postby Johng » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:50 am)

Hannover says that Munch couldn’t have been at the selections if he wasn’t taking part.

Who says so? Where is his evidence to support this.

Faurisson says there are no holes visible in the collapsed roof. Keren (Niskor) shows photographs of such holes. Ariel photographs have also identified vents in roof of Krema III

Munch does not state how long a time it took between death and opening doors. Hannover just assumes its immediately.

The issues re human experiments deserve a different thread

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:29 am)

I, a former SS physician, witnessed the dropping of Zyklon B into simulated exhaust vents from outside the gas chamber.


"From outside the gas chamber". He does not mention from 'above' the gas chamber, or "from the roof".

Zyklon B began to work as soon as it was released from the canisters. The effects of the gas were observed through a peephole by an assigned doctor or the SS officer on duty.


We have to be talking Morgue I at Crema II in 1944. Therefore the only peephole would have to be on the door that goes into the Crema. Has anyone seen that door? Is there a peephole?

After three to five minutes, death could be certified, and the doors were opened as a sign that the corpses were cleared to be burned. This is the nightmare I continue to live with fifty years later.


Munch mentions disguised exhaust ports, but never mentions any mesh devices. In 1944 Birkenau was the home of the mesh introduction columns. Here we have a witness at the time who doesn't mention withdrawing the pellets back out after 5 minutes, or the mesh columns.

No current gassing description admits to opening the doors after 5 minutes. We have lengthy testimony from holocaust experts detailing how the room had to be vented prior to the doors being opened. Beyond this Rudolf showed that Zyklon-B couldn't kill that quickly. This also directly contradicts other eyewitness tales telling of 5-20 minute gassing times.

This claim is apocryphal.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:49 am)

Johng said:
Hannover says that Munch couldn’t have been at the selections if he wasn’t taking part.
Who says so? Where is his evidence to support this.[?]

As was stated:
On the alleged 'selections', which are erroneously said to have designated Jews for immediate gassing, the question remains as to why Muench would have even been there. It was all supposed to be a secret matter, and it's typical for the military to attempt to keep their secrets, well, secret. Plus, any presence at 'selections', as they were erroneously accepted, would have accordingly brought an immediate death penalty from the post WWII show trials, a death penalty which Muench curiously avoided.

then Johng said:
Faurisson says there are no holes visible in the collapsed roof. Keren (Niskor) shows photographs of such holes. Ariel photographs have also identified vents in roof of Krema III

Not only does reknowned Revisionist, Prof. Dr. Robert Faurisson say no Zyklon 'holes' are visible, but so does 'holocau$t' Industry spokesman/'Auschwitz expert' Robert Jan Van Pelt. Oops.

And what aerial photos would that be Johng? The ones debunked here?
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=506
I invite you to post to that thread and attempt a rebuttal of the specific points made and shown.

I notice Johng has avoided the vast array of other points made in this thread about Muench. I challenge him to respond to those specific points.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:44 pm)

Faurisson says there are no holes visible in the collapsed roof. Keren (Niskor) shows photographs of such holes. Ariel photographs have also identified vents in roof of Krema III




The holes aren't in the same place as the ones in the aerial photos. Holocaust authorities tried to explain they were shifted by the blast that destroyed the morgue roof. The problem with that is the roof is pretty much intact as far as its overall form. It is just shattered. Therefore the holes would be where they were supposed to be. A blast wouldn't cause the holes to change their position in the form of the roof.

There are only 2 crude holes in the roof remnants. The aerial photos showed 4. These holes still have the rebar running through them, meaning they were hacked out after the roof was blasted.

The aerial photos are draw-in forgeries. There are no holes in the roof ruins corresponding to those shown in the aerial photos.

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:44 am)

Johng:
Your posts are becoming much too personal, are you here to attack Hannover or debate?
Also, points and logical responses have been made here contrary to Munch's story. A few, you claim are "opinion", opinion for which reasons were given, by the way. Some points you then merely repeat without attempting a rebuttal, other critical points you ignore.

Please offer specific points of rebuttal.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:02 pm)

another telltale gem from Muench:

On commenting about the absurd gas chambers and crematories, he said they were:
"one or one and a half kilometers southwest of the Birkenau camp camouflauged in a small woods"

Oops.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:15 pm)

Hey Johhng.

Keep trying. And keep trying to work with the moderators. I read that post and it was long and hard to understand. Just focus on a few points. You can always post another post later. And that post would have been easier to read if you knew how to use the quote feature. Don't use the quote button above. Rather just write the code yourself. Before the quote type [!quote] and after the quote type [!/quote]

Except don't include the exclamation points. I had to add the exclamation points to keep it from doing a quote. In fact, hold your mouse over the quote button above and the quote text (without clicking) will appear as your mouse goes over the button.

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Postby Johng » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun May 01, 2005 2:47 am)

Carklos said
And that post would have been easier to read if you knew how to use the quote feature. Don't use the quote button above. Rather just write the code yourself. Before the quote type [!quote] and after the quote type [!/quote]


thankyou Carlos, nobody else offered to help

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Postby Hektor » 7 years 2 months ago (Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:09 am)

Hannover wrote:Yep, Groening was shown as an absurd liar, now see Muench shown as the same.
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Muench is said to having been suffering from Alzheimer. So possibly he isn't a liar, just someone with his memories mixed up.

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Re: statements of Hans Munch

Postby Steven Willow » 7 years 2 months ago (Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:30 am)

An interesting thread.....there were other Doctors at Auschwitz who gave so called testimony about gas chambers including those by Johann Paul Kramer who also allegedly penned a diary that juxtiposes vague references to "special actions" with innanities about cafeteria menus. Kramer's diary was clearly forged and his later confessions in Soviet court were obviously obtained by torture. Kramer, like Munch, tesified that Auschwitz protocol demanded that a physician be present at all gassings. According to Kramer, this was, in part, to safeguard the lives of SS men who poured in the Zyklon crystals.

This seems absurd as the SS men supposedly wore gas masks, and closed the vents after pouring the Zyklon B. Also, no so called Nazi physician has ever mentioned manditory stationing of physicians at delousing procedures which would have been even more dangerous as more Zyklon was supposedly needed for delousing than gassing.

The coordination of the point about physicians stationed at gassings in both the testimony of Munch and Kramer highlights the choreographed methods of the Hoaxters who made it a point to extract corroberating, tortured statements out of SS victims. I do not believe that Munch was senile so much as threatened and intimidated. This interview proves that the man was not deeply confused but quite ill at ease
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opkf9d-GrQM[/youtube]

Interestingly, quite a number of Nazi doctors, as well as SS medical staff, could have stepped forward and condemned the false testimony of Kramer and Munch but none dared. That is because the torturers and jewish thugs still keep close tabs on surviving SS. There were hundreds of SS staff at Auschwitz, if not thousands, who absolutely knew that no gas chambers existed at their place of employment. While only a relative handful were forced to give bogus testimony, a shockingly large population passively affirmed these lies with their silence. Does anyone doubt that all Auschwitz staff were threatened by Hoaxters?


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