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Holocaust controversy in Austria

Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:20 am)

An Austrian politician has caused controversy by questioning the existence of the Nazi gas chambers.

John Gudenus of the far-right Freedom Party called into doubt the evidence for gas chambers when questioned about their existence on Austrian television.

"We should examine this," he said, "and not put up taboos. One should check this physically and scientifically."

He has been widely condemned and has since resigned from his party - though not from parliament.

Austria is currently celebrating the 60th anniversary of its declaration of independence from Nazi Germany in April 1945.

Speaking at an anniversary ceremony, Austrian chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel said Holocaust deniers had no place in a democratic body.

President Heinz Fischer, in remarks broadcast by national television, said that "anybody who has any doubt about the gas chambers should go and visit Mauthausen or Auschwitz."

"There one can see the undeniable, unbearable evidence ... one should be ashamed," he added.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4491231.stm

"'Holocaust deniers' have no place in a democratic body"? Yes, very democratic.

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Postby Maly Jacek » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:00 am)

President Heinz Fischer, in remarks broadcast by national television, said that "anybody who has any doubt about the gas chambers should go and visit Mauthausen or Auschwitz


Jawohl Herr President but...I started to have my first doubts about the "gas chambers" and the "holo" myth after visting Auschwitz theme park.So maybe encouraging people to do such trips is not very good idea after all.

"There one can see the undeniable, unbearable evidence ... one should be ashamed," he added


to see exactly what ? communist's reconstructions ? pile of bricks ? or maybe stacks of shoes and suitcases ? One should indeed be ashamed to call that " undeniable, unbearable evidence "

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:36 am)

You know it's a fraud when a man who says:
One should check this physically and scientifically.

is condemned. A return to the Salem witch trials it would seem.

They can't even keep their lies straight. Auschwitz has been demolished in Revisionist publications galore and at this forum, here's some info. on Mauthausen.

Jewish 'holocaust' historian Olga Wormser-Migot ("Le Système concentrationnaire nazi", Le problème des chambres à gaz) dismisses Mauthausen & Ravensbruck 'gas chambers':
"...the declarations on the gaz chamber at Ravensbrück place the beginning of its existence in Febr. 1945, date of the arrival of those evacuated from Auschwitz, the date when the Ravensbrück detainees discovered the existence of gaz chambers at Auschwitz."

on Oranienburg and Mauthausen:

"These assertions seem to be of a mythical order."
(p. 541, footnote n. 2)


I have reproduced below some information on Mauthausen which gets to the essence of the matter. In his typical straight forward style, Dr. Robert Faurisson reduces any arguments on Mauthausen to physical facts, and to it's basic religious underpinning. I find this excerpt interesting:
...under the pressure of revisionist writings, the gas chambers in Poland and in particular those at Auschwitz and Birkenau seemed more and more doubtful. This then produced a reaction motivated by fear. In a movement comparable to that of religious or political fundamentalism, the exterminationists called for a return to the faith and to the original doctrines. They "re-established" the gas chambers that had been abandoned. They set out to reaffirm that there had indeed been gas chambers at Mathausen, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrück, Neuengamme, Struthof-Natzweiler, and perhaps even at Dachau.

...In 1982, [Yehuda} Bauer clearly wrote that "no gassings took place at Mauthausen." ...Lanzmann was just as clear. In 1986, during a bitter debate about the Roques affair on Europe 1 (a French radio network), he corrected cabinet member Michel Noir....


read on, from Faurisson's foreword to the Second Leuchter Report:

The [alleged] minuscule gas chamber of Mauthausen has never been defended by very many of the Holocaust faithful. It is indefensible. In nearly a half century only two people have really tried to make us believe in its reality: Hans Marsalek of Austria and Pierre-Serge Choumoff of France. In their various publications they wisely refrain from showing a real photo of the interior of the room. The reason is simple: the room looks like nothing more than a simple shower room and one can see nothing that would lead him to think that it was a homicidal gas chamber with all the machinery which, if it were, would be indispensable and thus would still have to be there! Marsalek and Choumoff usually don't show anything at all of it; very rarely they will show an exterior photo of one of its two doors (two doors to a gas chamber, a fact that would definitely double the problems of keeping the chamber air-tight), or sometimes they allow the reader to vaguely see a small part of the interior.
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During our inspection of Mauthausen on April 10, 1989, an incident took place involving the camp authorities. We visited the place at an early hour in the morning to allow Fred Leuchter to carry out his sample takings without too much risk. No sooner had he finished his task (which caused a great deal of noise) than some groups of visitors began to go through the "gas chamber". They were mostly children from schools where they are indoctrinated systematically to feel shame and hatred for what previous generations of Germans and Austrians supposedly did during the war (Austria is the chosen home of the rather odious Simon Wiesenthal). The guides, either museum officials or teachers, talked at length about the "gas chamber" and how it worked, giving the usual, typical explanations found in popular "Holocaust literature" that contradicted each other on many points.
Without any warning, Mark Weber and I, under the watchful eye of Eugen Ernst's rolling camera, began to ask questions of the museum tour guide who seemed to be the highest ranking on the scene. After being at first very sure of himself, the poor man, bombarded with questions, finally had to admit that no one knew very much about how that "gas chamber" had worked. It appeared that over the years the story had taken extremely varied forms. They had given visitors three successive contradictory versions of the gassing procedure:
Version No. 1:
The gas came from the ceiling through shower heads (still in existence): That version, the official told us, was abandoned when people noticed that, considering the low ceiling, the victims could have simply put their hands over the shower heads to block them up and prevent the spread of the gas;
Version No. 2:
The gas came in from the ceiling and was vented at the time of the airing-out process through a sort of chimney opening, still in existence, located on the west side: The official was not able to tell us why that version of the story also had to be abandoned;
Version No. 3:
The gas came through a thin, perforated pipe located on the east wall, about 80 centimeters above the ground. That is, it came from the part of the room diametrically opposite to where it had been in Version No. 2. There is no longer any trace of that pipe, or even of the opening through which it supposedly came from the adjacent room where the gas was generated. The adjacent room, however, was completely empty and contained nothing that gave any hint of what it had been used for.
All of that was already troubling, but perhaps the most troubling thing was that the whole explanation given on a metal plaque inside the gas chamber was that of Version No. 2. I mentioned that to the official, who explained that the text of the plaque was a mistake, that the procedure described there was no longer the right one. I observed that Version No. 3, the one currently considered to be authentic, had the problem of being physically extremely unlikely. Since it was located 80 centimeters above the ground, the perforated pipe, even if it had been partially embedded in the wall to resist the pressure of the bodies inside, would have been blocked up by the bodies of the victims jammed into the gas chamber. How would the gas have spread itself normally in the "gas chamber" so as to kill all the victims throughout the room's entirety? The official finally said that he was not a scientist and that his explanation was that given in the book written by...Hans Marsalek
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The Revisionist Intifada
The current disarray of the defenders of the "Holocaust" has some curious effects. Up to the end of the 1970's, they believed that in Auschwitz, Birkenau and other camps located in Poland they had solid proof of the existence of the gas chambers and therefore of the genocide of the Jews. Up until that time they went so far as to say that there were some exaggerations and that the camps located outside present-day Poland probably or certainly did not have any gas chambers.
Beginning with the start of the 1980's, under the pressure of revisionist writings, the gas chambers in Poland and in particular those at Auschwitz and Birkenau seemed more and more doubtful. This then produced a reaction motivated by fear. In a movement comparable to that of religious or political fundamentalism, the exterminationists called for a return to the faith and to the original doctrines. They "re-established" the gas chambers that had been abandoned. They set out to reaffirm that there had indeed been gas chambers at Mathausen, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrück, Neuengamme, Struthof-Natzweiler, and perhaps even at Dachau. I refer here to the book by Adalbert Rückerl, Hermann Langbein, Eugen Kogon and 21 other writers: NS-Massentötungen durch Giftgas, (Fischer Verlag, 1983).
As regards Mauthausen, some people, including Claude Lanzmann and Yehuda Bauer, went so far as to retract the story. In 1982, Bauer clearly wrote that "no gassings took place at Mauthausen." Lanzmann was just as clear. In 1986, during a bitter debate about the Roques affair on Europe 1 (a French radio network), he corrected cabinet member Michel Noir, who had mentioned the Mauthausen gas chamber. Lanzmann firmly contradicted the Minister on this score: never had there been a gas chamber in that camp. But all of that did not prevent our two fellows from stating a few years later that there had indeed been a gas chamber at Mauthausen. (For Bauer's retraction, see pages 33-34 of the absurd book published in Vienna in 1989, by the Dokumentations-archiv des österreichischen Widerstandes under the title Das Lachout- "Dokument", Anatomie einer Falschung. As regards Lanzmann's retraction, read his letter published in Le Monde Juif, July-September 1986, p. 97). All those retractions and sudden changes of direction and constantly changing explanations add up to one further proof that the "gas chamber" and the "genocide" are nothing more than a myth. A myth constantly mutates under the influence of the dominant opinions and the necessities of the moment.


Here we have a letter to Michael Shermer, 'holocau$t' profiteer, and Industry spokeman:
Dear Michael,
Further to my last email, I have learnt that Leuchter claimed that the shower system in the purported gas chamber was operational. This flatly contradicts your assertion that the showerheads are fake.
Support for Leuchter comes from an unlikely source, the official Mauthausen web-site:

"The partially tiled gas chamber, masked as a shower room (3,7 by 3.5 meters) had two hermetically sealed doors; each with a peep hole. On the ceiling there was a functioning shower system with 16 rosettes."
(http://www.mauthausen-memorial.gv.at/en ... ichte.html)

In light of this, may I ask on what grounds you claimed the showerheads were fake? And would you not agree that your conclusion "No other explanation for this room arrangement and all these artifacts is plausible other than that the room was used to gas people." should read "No other explanation for this room arrangement and all these artifacts is plausible other than that the room was used to shower people."?

Yours skeptically,
Jason

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:45 am)

I have in front of me a book called 'Mauthausen. A Name In History', by Paul Le Caer and Bob Sheppard. The photos are revealing. There are photos of a whole sea of healthy inmates after liberation. There are also pictures labeled as being the sick camp, where the inmates are noticably thinner than the rest, and there are even Russian POW with amputated limbs.

The 'gas chamber' is clearly a shower room:
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The main shower room at Mauthausen:
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Similar shower room at Theresienstadt:
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Postby Malle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun May 14, 2006 1:40 pm)

More on this issue from Haaretz.

Last update - 19:03 26/04/2006
Former Austrian politician receives suspended sentence for denying aspects of Holocaust
By The Associated Press

VIENNA, Austria - A former Austrian politician on Wednesday received a suspended one-year prison sentence for denying aspects of the Holocaust. The sentence can be activated if he repeats his offense over the next three years, according to court spokeswoman, Alexandra Mathes.

He has not been detained and his lawyer has appealed the ruling, Mathes said.

Earlier on Wednesday he pleaded not guilty to charges that he broke a law that bans attempts to diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust by questioning the existence of gas chambers.

John Gudenus, a former legislator in Austria's upper house of parliament, declared in an Austrian television interview in April 2005 that the existence of gas chambers in the Third Reich should be "seriously debated." In a later interview, he amended the remarks to say that "there were gas chambers, though not in the Third Reich but in Poland."

Gudenus's lawyer, Farid Rifaat, argued in a packed Vienna court that Gudenus never generally denied the existence of gas chambers, but that he simply called for examination of the question of whether they existed between 1933 and 1938. After 1938, when Rifaat said the Third Reich became known as the Greater German Reich following the annexation of Austria, the existence of gas chambers was "indisputable" for his client, he said in comments quoted by the Austria Press Agency.

"I am not at all unsure about gas chambers in the Greater German Reich. Concerning gas chambers in the Third Reich, I would still like to express some uncertainty," Gudenus said in his defense, as quoted by APA.

The state attorney rejected Gudenus' argument, saying that with his comments, he denied "fundamental elements of Nazi terror," APA reported.

Gudenus also was criticized last year for claiming that concentration camp victims on a photo in the Mauthausen concentration camp memorial site looked better than himself.

According to Austrian law, Gudenus, could have faced up to 10 years in prison for denying the Holocaust if found guilty by the eight-member panel of jurors.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/709826.html

Irving got 3 years prison sentence. What's the difference?
I must be a mushroom - because everyone keeps me in the dark and feeds me with lots of bullshit.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun May 14, 2006 2:19 pm)

They're running scared. And in running scared they have lost the ability to consistently enforce their Orwellian laws. IOW, panic has set in.

Do they really think they can stop science, logic, and rational thinking? The harder they try, the weaker their position becomes. They are trapped, they are painted into a corner.

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun May 14, 2006 7:46 pm)

What Paul Rassinier had to say about Mauthausen:

Lastly, Rassinier visited the camp of Mauthausen, and in connection with the gas chamber shown to the visitors, he has this comment:

"To claim that tens of thousands of people were gassed there is abominable roguery; the presenter explained me that "everything was in it's original state except the gas pipe, which was disconnected ": he did not know that in the official thesis, the gas did not arrive "by pipe" in the gas chambers, but was produced by "tablets of Zyklon B, that were thrown in there and which evaporated in contact with steam".

From "The Real Eichmann Trial or The Incorrigable Victors" (1963) as quoted in Jean Plantin's biography "Paul Rassinier: Socialist, Pacifist, Revisionist".


As you can see, Rassinier got an even different story from them.

Mauthausen does not have a gas chamber disguised as a shower. It has a shower disguised as a gas chamber. The pipes are hooked up to the water main, and the showers actually work.

AND - the "gas chamber" is located TWO STORIES BELOW GROUND, between the hospital and a barracks, to which it is connected by stair cases. Yet it said that poisonous, flammable, explosive gases like CO or HCN were used in there.

AND - the chimney ventilates into a courtyard between the hospital and the barracks. Like - come on...

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Postby Inquisitive » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue May 16, 2006 8:19 am)

Three years ago my daughter visited Dachau for a school trip. She had not been indoctrinated properly and thought the ovens were for baking bread!


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