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The Korherr Report: Where did they go?

Postby Hotzenplotz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 2:21 pm)

I just read about the Korherr-Report which can be found here (GERMAN):
http://www.ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korh ... r-lang.php
or here (English)
http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/korherr_en.htm

It's a statistical report about the progress of the final solution from spring 43 and it gives numbers "as of 31.12.1942". It seems much more interesting than the Wannsee-Protocol. It says at one point:

Korherr wrote:4. Transportation of Jews from the
eastern provinces to the Russian
East: ............................ 1 449 692 "
The following numbers were sifted
through the camps in the General
government ............. ........ 1 274 166 Jews


The camps in the in General government will be the so-called death camps, right? Korherr doesn't speak of exterminations of course but only of evacuations, and he maintained that he didn't know of exterminations after the war. Now if that's true and there were in fact exterminations, that would make him extremely gullible, as Irving says.

German letter of Korherr to Magazine Der Spiegel in July, 1977, where he denies knowledge of extermination:
http://fpp.co.uk/History/General/Korher ... 50777.html

In this letter he says that he had asked at the RSHA (Reichssicherheitshauptamt) what "Sonderbehandlung" meant and was told "resettlement to the district Lublin."

Similarly from
http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/korherr.html
After the war Korherr attempted to diminish the importance of the report that bore his name. As a potential witness or defendant in court proceedings, he claimed that the data in his report were false because of inflated claims contained in the Einsatzgruppen reports. He also claimed that he did not understand the figures in his report, nor did he realize that the Einsatzgruppen killed people.


Anyway, here's what I wanted to discuss: Assuming the report is about correct, then about 1,2 million Jews have been sifted through the "death camps". Now the question is: Where did they go? Where did they arrive in the "Russian east"? Are there any personal stories of Jews who where sifted through the death camps? I mean, 1,2 million is a lot - shouldn't there be some reports where they got? Were there any camps east of Treblinka?

Now if there are no such explanations of their whereabouts that would make a good point for exterminationism. If there is a good one, the position of revisionsm would be tremendously strong, I'd say.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 3:55 pm)

There's a thread here on revforum called something like "where'd they go" that might provide part of the answer.

I think one thing you're asking is "if they weren't killed, were they transported? And I don't know the answer. I'm interested in that question too.

The word "sonderbehandlung" is so important to the holocaust. Cryptic words might be understandably important in dealing with the public, or maybe with outsiders to some secret project. But could a word like that really be used within the military and everyone know what this secret language means? Could you kill everyone in the state of California with thousands of people involved, having just some vague message?

Hopefully some posters will answer your question.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 4:28 pm)

When the war was over and the Zionists were about to set Germany up with their heinious smear, as they were rummaging through all the new found documents, what do you think they did with any that would have been problematic to the lies they were about to unleash? What would you have done with any documents that would have spoiled your plans?

I mean, 1,2 million is a lot - shouldn't there be some reports where they got


It certainly is a lot and it makes one wonder how they could be made to simply disappear, it would be a great deal easier to have made the documentation that tells us where they went disappear though.

If they were murdered their must be some archaeological investigations to verify this and I mean at the earliest opportunity.

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Postby Hotzenplotz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 5:33 pm)

To make my question a bit more precise... it depends on what the revisionist claim is, but as far as I can see, the most favoured option of dealing with the death camps is to say they were transit camps, just as it is stated in the relevant documents like the Korherr report. (In another thread this was related to "Occam's razor" [the idea that unnecessary complexities should be eliminated from a theory if the simpler version explains as much] -- why assume words like "evacuated" were used euphemistically if there's no real evidence they were? Perhaps they just meant what they said?)
Considering the Korherr report, which is corroborated by a radio message by Herrmann Höfle -- the numbers match exactly --, it seems hard to deny that lots of Jews were brought to the "death camps". Korherr, as noted above, lived well into the seventies and did not deny having sent the report, though he didn't really know what it was about. So if we accept about 1,2 million Jews were sent to the camps as of 31/12/1942, there should be some reports of their whereabouts. Just some people recounting how they were sent to Treblinka and afterwards somewhere else, preferably to the east. If there is absolutely none, this is strange.

This is a crucial question to revisionism I think.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 6:23 pm)

Exactly as stated, just make all references to their whereabouts disappear, easy! The report mentions nothing about killing people, why do you think they were? Why do you think evacuated means anything other than evacuated?

The only reason there is suspicion is because A: It has been bred into everyone and B: because some scumbag as hidden the documentaion that would tell us where they went. I think you make a mountain out of a molehill.

Just dig up the supposed murder sites if you doubt and I guarantee there 's nothing to be found to substantiate any of these lies and that's why they won't investigate.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 7:02 pm)

Hi Hotzenplotz,

There are threads here about where these people went. Israel has millions of Ashkenazi (European) Jews. So does America. In America many came after the war. But many came before.

I read a lot of Raul Hilberg's Destruction of the European Jews, and it's clear he has no integrity as a scholar. He will cite a reference to something on the top of say, page 252, of some book, but at the bottom of page 252, there's a ridiculous lie from the same writer that no one would believe. That's how he works. He uses Wernik, Gerstein, Rajzman, et al.

Just like the Jewish American Jack Friedlander who found himself in the position of an interrogator (quelle coincidence,) Jewish-American Raul Hilberg found himself going over all the war documentations. As Turpitz makes the point: there weren't a lot of revisionists doing the same thing.

Considering Hilberg's lack of integrity, and the importance of documents as you're pointing out, look at one of the people that went over those documents:
RAUL HILBERG received his doctorate in Public Law and Government at Columbia University. He was a memeber of the War Documentation Project in the Federal Records Center at Alexandria, Virginia, ......

Raul Hilberg, Destruction of the European Jews. 1961 version. Quadrangle Books. First page of the book.


What do you think Friedlander or Hilberg would do if they were looking at an original document that supported the "no holocaust" position?

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Postby Hotzenplotz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 7:49 pm)

Carto & Turpitz, thanks for your answers.

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:There are threads here about where these people went. Israel has millions of Ashkenazi (European) Jews. So does America. In America many came after the war. But many came before.


My question wasn't the "If they weren't exterminated how come there are so few left in Europe?" - question, but more specifically related to the death camps. If people were not killed there they must have gone somewhere else and there should be some personal reports.

Turpitz, your reasons "A" and "B" can explain why we don't have those reports right now. I'm not saying revisionism is dead if you, or we, can't find some explanation as to their whereabouts now. But eventually, revisionists should come up with some reports of Treblinka-survivors.

I share your impression that orthodox historians only collect evidence supporting the traditional storyline. But complaining won't help revisionists in the end... the evidence needs to be found.

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 8:06 pm)

That's a question that has crossed my mind. Revisionists have written plenty about how documents were withheld from the defense at the war crimes trials, and I think documents dealing with this particular issue would be some of the most important documents to get rid of if you wanted to show extermination. With deception on the part of the allies thoroughly documented by revisionists I don't think any other accusation of deception is going to far. But you would think that evidence of these settlments in Russia would have leaked out over the years.

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Postby Hotzenplotz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 8:16 pm)

I found what Mattogno/Graf in their "Treblinka - Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?" have to say on the topic:

Chapter 1:
Since Treblinka was much too small to be able to accommodate the large number of Jews deported there at the same time, the transit camp thesis is, in fact, the single plausible alternative to the conventional picture of the extermination camp. Tertium non datur - no third possibility is given.


Chapter 10:
That Treblinka served as a transit camp is proven, but for the most part we are still in the dark as to the details (the number of those resettled, their destinations, and their fate during the war and afterwards). In coming years, the improving access to archives in the successor states of the Soviet Union will hopefully make it possible for researchers to shed more and more light into this darkness. When we speak of researcher, we of course mean the revisionists, for their opponents will hardly be doing this task.


http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/index.html#toc

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 9:58 pm)

I finally see what you're asking. If they went East. And they didn't stay atTreblinka, and the Korrherr report states that millions went East, then where did they go?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat May 07, 2005 11:31 pm)

Oh yawn, gents.

This 'where did they go' line of questioning is illogical in the face of any indication they were murdered. Jews went where Jews are, that simple.

Jews absolutely poured out Europe after the war, and Jews poured out the USSR on their way to 'Israel'. Where does anyone think the millions of Jews in 'Israel' came from? Does anyone expect the Zionists to tell the truth as to their true origins? Get real, the judeo-supremacists/Zionists manufactured the absurd 'holocau$t' story, remember? And why would Jews tell of experiences which would not allow them the full benefits of the scam? The central theses of this thread is a non-argument.

We know there are plenty of train transport records TO various camps, we have none which show trains LEAVING. Why is that? Didn't trains go somewhere after their trips to the alleged 'death camps'? Does anyone really think the Germans didn't keep records of where their trains went, full or empty? Are we to believe these trains were simply parked forever, are we to be believe the evil Germans destroyed the trains? The lack of these outgoing train records is damning to the story.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun May 08, 2005 12:15 am)

Do you think many Jews temporarily immigrated to the Soviet Union, and that this was kept a secret or not reported by the Soviet Union in order to keep the pro-war sentiment in the West of rescuing Jews trapped in Europe?

Then after the war, they immigrated to Israel, but when the cold war hit and Israel allied with the US, then that immigration to Israel was covered up too because any connection with the USSR looked bad?

Considering that the holocaust story was in the works by late '42, maybe the the NKVD made it secret how many Jews were accepted into the USSR to help the holocaust story.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun May 08, 2005 2:24 am)

Do you think many Jews temporarily immigrated to the Soviet Union, and that this was kept a secret or not reported by the Soviet Union in order to keep the pro-war sentiment in the West of rescuing Jews trapped in Europe?

The Soviets definitely hid the deportations and then claimed the Germans had killed them. We hear it all the time .... 'the towns were wiped out by the Germans', blah, blah, blah....with no such evidence to support the claims.
The Zionists/Communist used the bogus claims as an excuse to bring about a real holocaust against the Germans.
The Allies in general bought into the propaganda as a cover for their genocidal policies. And we all know that 'Israel' is using the lies to silence criticism of their genocidal ethnic cleansing policies against the Palestinians.
Then after the war, they immigrated to Israel, but when the cold war hit and Israel allied with the US, then that immigration to Israel was covered up too because any connection with the USSR looked bad?

'Israel' has always been 'allied' with the US. Some Jews, not all, went to 'Israel', many obviously went to the US, plus other countries. The Zionist agencies used the later 'save the Jews of the USSR' campaign, for money (yes, the US taxpayers again paid the bill) and to dilute the Palestinian population. The Zionists necessarily hid the true numbers for reasons which benefit them. Remember, they created the 'holocau$t' lies. Would they really speak truthfully about the numbers and origins of Jews to Israel or anywhere else for that matter? They can't let that mythical '6,000,000' appear anymore absurd than it already does.
Considering that the holocaust story was in the works by late '42, maybe the the NKVD made it secret how many Jews were accepted into the USSR to help the holocaust story.

Yep. And who was head of the NKVD? Need I say more?

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Postby Hotzenplotz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun May 08, 2005 6:49 am)

Hannover wrote:This 'where did they go' line of questioning is illogical in the face of any indication they were murdered. Jews went where Jews are, that simple.
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Are we to believe these trains were simply parked forever, are we to be believe the evil Germans destroyed the trains? The lack of these outgoing train records is damning to the story.


Hi Hannover,

I don't agree completely with you. The lack of the records for the trains that left is a good revisionist point, but the disappearance of the Treblinka-deportees still seems strange. I don't try to make an overall assessment of the revisionist position, it's just one point that needs to be addressed. From a strategical point of few, it won't help revisionists much to say that it's obvious anyway (exterminationists are much better at that). Revisionists in order to be successful will have to provide much better evidence than the orthodox hinstorians. That's unfair, but life is unfair...

I agree that they may have emmigrated to Israel, USA etc. later but where were the death camp deportees brought to by the Nazis? You don't believe they just left the camp by foot at the opposite side after being shaved? They must have been brought somewhere, and if the Korherr report is right, somewhere to the east. 1,2 million should have been noticed by the local population, even if the Jews stayed only for a couple of years...

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Postby J William » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun May 08, 2005 6:58 am)

In the 1980s I heard a Jewish New York City radio station commentator lamenting the fact that there were only 500,000 Jews left in the USSR. Since then approximately 2 million Jews have emigrated from the former USSR and there are many "left behind". I think the question shouldn't be "Where Did They Go?" but " Where Did They Come From?".


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