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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:23 am)

courtesy of:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Nbg/Goldteeth.html
Reichswirtschaftsminister Funk did not know anything about any Jewish gold when he was asked by the judge in Nürnberg, he was surprised after having seen a film with golden teeth.

Mr. Puhl, a director of The German Reichsbank, explained how US-soldiers came to the empty bank building in Frankfurt and ordered for him to give them bags with the Reichsbank's name on, and how they the next day came with the same bags full with gold and golden teeth, jewels and other valuables and demanded this to be lock into the strongroom. The strongroom was locked, cameras were set up, the strongroom opened
and the bags fetched out and filmed.

According to 'Ha-Am', a special interest judeo-supremacist student publication, the October '98 issue of 'Harper's Magazine' states:
"During WWII, a single SS soldier amassed 1,640 pounds of gold from stolen jewelry and dental fillings".

'holocau$t' absurdities just never end.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:35 am)

Here's an example of not only the gold teeth canard, but also the corrupt nature of the Nuremberg proceedings.

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The Website of Carlos Whitlock Porter

Translation of Document R-135

By Carlos Porter

(THIS IS THE TEETH-PULLING DOCUMENT, ONE OF THE MOST INFAMOUS OF ALL NUREMBERG TRIAL DOCUMENTS, THE FIRST DOCUMENT MENTIONED BY NUREMBERG ARCH-LIAR TELFORD TAYLOR IN HIS "ANATOMY OF THE NUREMBERG TRIALS".
THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT IS TYPEWRITTEN WITH NO SIGNATURES, STAMPS, OR HANDWRITTEN MARKINGS OF ANY KIND. IT IS A "COPY" OF A "COPY" RETYPED BY UNKNOWN PERSONS WHO EVIDENTLY WERE NOT GERMAN. IT DESERVES COMPLETE TRANSCRIPTION, TRANSLATION, AND ANALYSIS.)


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[Note the peculiarities of the certification, which is apparently uniform for all Nuremberg documents. We have deleted it on the other documents posted on this site, but it is very strange: it is not the original certification of the same documentation for the Nuremberg trial, and the "original document" has disappeared.]

OFFICE OF CHIEF COUNSEL FOR WAR CRIMES
EVIDENCE DIVISION

Date: [handwritten] 19 July 1948 [Note that the certification is dated well after the first Nuremberg Trial, which ended with the hangings on 16 October 1946. What version of this document did they introduce into evidence 17 times in that same trial at Nuremberg?]

I certify that [handwritten] Document Number R-135 was introduced into evidence as Exhibit Number USA-289 in the Trial by the International Tribunal of Hermann GOERING, et al, which commenced on 20 November 1945, and that the attached photostat [i..e, the original has disappeared] is a true and correct copy of the original [i.e., the original has disappeared].
[handwritten] Fred Niebergall

Chief, Document Control Branch
DCB-36-1022447)

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CERTIFICATE

I hereby certify that the annexed document [handwritten] R-135 No. [handwritten] is a photostat [i.e., it is not an original document] submitted in evidence by the United States Prosecution under this number. The original document has been withdrawn [i.e., it has disappeared] in accordance with Rule 10 of the International Military Tribunal, and to the best of my knowledge and belief is to be held at the National Archives, Washington D.C.
[handwritten] Paul Joosten
Nuremberg, 15 July, 1948 [Again, dated well after the trial.]
General Secretary International Military Tribunal

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The General Commissar for White Ruthenia Minsk, 5 June 1943
Gauleiter/Ba. Tgb. Nr. [Journal number] 428/43 g.

To the Reichsminister for the occupied Eastern territories
Berlin through the Reichscommissar for the East
Riga Regarding: results until present of the police operation "Cottbus" for the period from 22.6 to 3.7.1943

SS-Brigadeführer, Police Major General v. Gottberg reports that operation "Cottbus" has produced the following results in the above mentioned period:

Enemy deaths 4500
Deaths among suspected partisans 5000
German deaths 59
German wounded 367
Deaths among foreign population 22
Wounded among foreign population 120
Captured partisan gang members 250
Enemy camps destroyed 57
Enemy bunkers destroyed 261
Male labourers arrested 2062
Female labourers arrested 450
Large enemy ships sunk 4
Rafts sunk 22

The following were captured:

1 aircraft, 12 towed gliders, 10 15 cm guns, 2 anti-tank guns, 9 grenade launchers, 23 sub-machine guns, 28 machine guns, 28 machine pistols, 492 rifles, 1,028 grenades and bombs, 1,100 mines, 31,300 rounds of rifle ammunition, 7,300 rounds of pistol ammunition, 1,200 kg explosives, 2 complete radio stations with transmitter, 1 propaganda unit [Bildstelle], 30
parachutes, 67 drays, 530 horses, 1 field kitchen, 430 sleds, large quantities of medications and propaganda material.

The operation affects the area of the General district of White Ruthenia in the area or Borissow. At the same time, it involves the two districts of Begomie and Pleschtschamizy. At the present time, the police troops, together with the army, have advanced to Lake Palik

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and have reached the entire front of Beresina. Combat is continuing in the rear areas of the Army. The above mentioned figures show that, once again, a very widespread destruction of the population is to be reckoned with. If only 492 rifles are captured for 4,500 enemy deaths, then this discrepancy shows that these enemy deaths also include numerous peasants from the countryside. The Dirlewanger battalion is especially known for having destroyed numerous lives. There were numerous women and children among the 5000 suspected partisan gang members who were shot.

Upon order of the Chef-s [sic] of the Anti-Partisan Combat Unit, SS-Obergruppenführer von dem Bach, units of the defence forces [Wehrmannschaften] also participated in the operation. SA Standartenführer Kunze led the defence forces, including 90 members of my authority and the District Commissariat of the City of Minsk. Our men returned from the operation yesterday without losses. I reject any use of officials and Reichs employees of the General Commissariat in the rear area of the Army.
The men active with me were not, after all, regrouped [uk-gestellt in German - misspelling and word division in the middle of the line indicates that the document has been retyped by a non-German], to carry on anti-partisan activities instead of the Army and the police.

Among the defence forces, 1 railway worker was wounded (shot through the lungs). The political effects of these large-scale actions on the peaceful population is devastating as a result of the many shootings of women and children. In December, the city of Begomie was evacuated by the Army and the police. At that time, the population of Begomie was overwhelmingly sympathetic to us. During the combat operations, Begomie, which had been expanded into a support base by the partisans, was destroyed by the German Air Force.

The General Commissar in Minsk

Signed signature [!!!]

[This notation, extremely common among Nuremberg Trial documents, indicates that the document has been retyped by unknown persons. The document is a "photocopy" of a retyped "copy" which is not even "certified" by the authority which retyped it! We do not even know if it was retyped by a Russian, an American, or what. It was retyped on a German typewriter, since it contains umlauts and the sharp S. ]

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Court prison Minsk, 31.5.1943
To the General Commissar for White Ruthenia
Minsk Regarding: Jewish actions With reference to: oral report of 31.5.1943

On 13 April 1943 the German former dentist Ernst Israel Tichauer and his wife Elisa Sara Tichauer, born Rosenthal, were handed over to the SD (Hauptscharführer Rübe) at the court prison. Since this time, the gold bridges, crowns, and fillings [Blomben - a non-existent German word] have been extracted or broken out of the German and Russian Jews delivered [to the prison]. This occurs 1 -2 hours before the action involved.

516 German and Russian Jews have been killed since 13 April 1943. According to a more exact reckoning, however, the gold material was only extracted during 2 actions, on 172 [Jews] on 14.4.43 and 164 [Jews] on 27.4.43. Approximately 50% of the Jews had gold teeth, bridges or fillings [Blomben]. Hauptscharführer Rübe of the SD was present on each occasion and even took the gold material away with him.

This was not done before 13 April 1943.

Signed Günther [Note: the "signature" is typewritten.]

Prison Administrator

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[Note: this page is a "negative photostat", indicating that it the photocopy was not made from the original document, and that the archives do not possess the originals of the other pages. ]

The General Commissar for White Ruthenia Minsk, 1 June 1943
Gauleiter/Wa. Tgb.Nr. 414/43.g. Secret! [typewritten: there are no stamps on the document.]

To the Reichsminister for the Occupied Eastern territories
Berlin Through the Reichscommissar for the Eastern territory
Riga Regarding: Jewish actions in the prison of Minsk

I am forwarding the attached official report from the prison administrator of the prison of Minsk for your information.
The General Commissar in Minsk,

Signed Signature [!!!]

Annex To I/1168/43/g.

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Copy [!] The Reichscommissar for the Eastern Territory Riga, 18.6.43 Tgb.No. 3628/43 g.
Secret! To the Reichsminister for the occupied Territories Berlin

The attached secret reports, which deserve special attention, have been received from General commissar Kübe [note misspelling: it is Rübe in the previous pages].

That Jews are being executed [sonderbehandelt] merits no further discussion. But that things happen at the same time such as those described in the report from the General commissar, seems hardly credible. What is Katyn compared to that? Just imagine what would happen if such goings-on became known on the other side! Such propaganda would probably remain ineffective only because listeners and readers would be unprepared to believe it.

Even the anti-partisan activities are taking on a form which is highly objectionable if pacification and exploitation of the individual territories is the aim of our policy. Thus, those killed among suspected partisan members, given as 5,000 in the report dated 5.6.43 relating to operation "Cottbus", in my opinion, with few exceptions, were suitable for labour in the Reich.

At the same time, it should not be forgotten that it is very difficult to distinguish friend from enemy in view of the difficulties in understanding which arise during such purge operations. But it is possible to avoid atrocities and to bury the liquidated persons. Locking men, women, and children in barns and setting fire to them does not appears to me to be a suitable method of fighting partisans, even if one wishes to exterminate the population. This method is not worthy of the German people, and does enormous harm to our reputation.

I request that suitable measures be taken.

Signed signature [!!!]

[This preposterous "document" was "quoted" no less than 17 times during the First Nuremberg Trial alone, and is constantly rehashed in Hoaxoco$t literature. We know of no better example of proof that the so-called Holocau$t is lies, all lies, and nothing but lies. The certification post-dates the trial; the original document has disappeared; the exhibit is a "photostat" of a retyped "copy" of a forgery, with "signed signature" written out in the body of the document itself, probably of Russian origin.]
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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 1 month ago (Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:05 pm)

Every dentist on earth collects golden inlays or golden teeth. All the gold is recycled - the same in every country of the world.
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Postby Reviso » 1 decade 4 weeks ago (Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:15 am)

In fact, it was a practice of the Stasi :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... stas03.xml

Stasi stripped gold from victims of Nazis
By Toby Helm in Berlin
(Filed: 03/10/2001)

THE Stasi, the East German secret police, repeated one of the crimes of the Nazis when they stripped gold from the teeth of Jews found in a mass grave, their own files show.

The story of how the former East German regime apparently sought to profit from the discovery of 577 Jewish skeletons in 1971 has been uncovered by Andreas Weigelt, a historian. It is believed to be the first evidence of such action by the Stasi.

Mr Weigelt, who runs an exhibition at Lieberose concentration camp, south-east of Berlin, where the victims were held before their deaths, said yesterday: "I stumbled over a few pages that rather secretively documented how this gold had been collected. I was aghast."

The documents, discovered in the secret police's archives, disclose that the Stasi dug around in the grave, south of Berlin, looking for gold crowns and gold teeth among the skeletons.

Some documents suggest that the Stasi wanted the teeth and gold to help to identify the victims and explain how they died. This explanation has been ridiculed by experts, not least because the files make clear that more than two pounds of gold ended up in the Stasi's finance department.

The remains in the grave were of some of a group of 1,200 Jews killed by drunken SS men and other Nazi guards between Feb 2 and Feb 4, 1945, as they set out on a march from Lieberose to the Sachsenhausen camp north of Berlin.

"Some 1,600 were sent on the march," Mr Weigelt said, "and 1,200 of them were eliminated by drunken SS men, guards and commanders of the camp. The corpses were buried in a great hurry."

After the grave was discovered in the village of Staakow, near Lieberose, the East German authorities told residents that the bodies were those of anti-Nazi resistance fighters and not Jews.

But the Stasi documents show that the authorities knew that most of the dead were Jews.

The claim was typical of the propaganda issued by a regime that sought to portray East Germans in the Second World War as brave soldiers of resistance against the Nazi regime.

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Postby J William » 1 decade 4 weeks ago (Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:36 am)

Reviso wrote:The story of how the former East German regime apparently sought to profit from the discovery of 577 Jewish skeletons in 1971 has been uncovered by Andreas Weigelt, a historian. It is believed to be the first evidence of such action by the Stasi.


I wonder how one can forensically establish the fact that a skeleton is of a particular religion. Certainly there are many facts that can be forensically gleaned from a skeleton but religion is not one of them.

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Postby KostasL » 1 decade 4 weeks ago (Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:09 am)

J William wrote:
Reviso wrote:The story of how the former East German regime apparently sought to profit from the discovery of 577 Jewish skeletons in 1971 has been uncovered by Andreas Weigelt, a historian. It is believed to be the first evidence of such action by the Stasi.


I wonder how one can forensically establish the fact that a skeleton is of a particular religion. Certainly there are many facts that can be forensically gleaned from a skeleton but religion is not one of them.


I saw a documentary in History Channel.

It was about how scientists excavated a mass grave from Napoleonic period in Riga.
Their question was whether Napoleon's soldiers retreating after disastrous Russian campaign, died of typhus or famine.
They were able to find out that they died of famine !!!

They just examined mass graves in a scientific way. 8)

And they answered their questions in an absolute way as all the evidence they needed were in the mass grave.
And i remind that Napoleon's Russian campaign was in 1812 !!!

And i also remind that scientists can answer much older questions than that.
1812 was a piece of cake for them, after they located this mass grave. 8)
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Postby KostasL » 1 decade 4 weeks ago (Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:16 am)

Reviso wrote:In fact, it was a practice of the Stasi :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... stas03.xml

Stasi stripped gold from victims of Nazis
By Toby Helm in Berlin
(Filed: 03/10/2001)

THE Stasi, the East German secret police, repeated one of the crimes of the Nazis when they stripped gold from the teeth of Jews found in a mass grave, their own files show.

The story of how the former East German regime apparently sought to profit from the discovery of 577 Jewish skeletons in 1971 has been uncovered by Andreas Weigelt, a historian. It is believed to be the first evidence of such action by the Stasi.

Mr Weigelt, who runs an exhibition at Lieberose concentration camp, south-east of Berlin, where the victims were held before their deaths, said yesterday: "I stumbled over a few pages that rather secretively documented how this gold had been collected. I was aghast."

The documents, discovered in the secret police's archives, disclose that the Stasi dug around in the grave, south of Berlin, looking for gold crowns and gold teeth among the skeletons.

Some documents suggest that the Stasi wanted the teeth and gold to help to identify the victims and explain how they died. This explanation has been ridiculed by experts, not least because the files make clear that more than two pounds of gold ended up in the Stasi's finance department.

The remains in the grave were of some of a group of 1,200 Jews killed by drunken SS men and other Nazi guards between Feb 2 and Feb 4, 1945, as they set out on a march from Lieberose to the Sachsenhausen camp north of Berlin.

"Some 1,600 were sent on the march," Mr Weigelt said, "and 1,200 of them were eliminated by drunken SS men, guards and commanders of the camp. The corpses were buried in a great hurry."

After the grave was discovered in the village of Staakow, near Lieberose, the East German authorities told residents that the bodies were those of anti-Nazi resistance fighters and not Jews.

But the Stasi documents show that the authorities knew that most of the dead were Jews.

The claim was typical of the propaganda issued by a regime that sought to portray East Germans in the Second World War as brave soldiers of resistance against the Nazi regime.


What ??? :o The Nazis didn't take the gold teeth from the dead ? :?:

By the way, after my death, anyone who needs them, can take my teeth. 8)
I will not need them anyway and i hope, if a jew takes them, that this will not be considered, by anti-semites, a crime.
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Postby Roscov » 1 decade 3 weeks ago (Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:54 am)

Amazing - That gold teeth belonged only to Jews.

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Postby KostasL » 1 decade 3 weeks ago (Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:21 am)

KostasL wrote:
J William wrote:
Reviso wrote:The story of how the former East German regime apparently sought to profit from the discovery of 577 Jewish skeletons in 1971 has been uncovered by Andreas Weigelt, a historian. It is believed to be the first evidence of such action by the Stasi.


I wonder how one can forensically establish the fact that a skeleton is of a particular religion. Certainly there are many facts that can be forensically gleaned from a skeleton but religion is not one of them.


I saw a documentary in History Channel.

It was about how scientists excavated a mass grave from Napoleonic period in Riga.
Their question was whether Napoleon's soldiers retreating after disastrous Russian campaign, died of typhus or famine.
They were able to find out that they died of famine !!!

They just examined mass graves in a scientific way. 8)

And they answered their questions in an absolute way as all the evidence they needed were in the mass grave.
And i remind that Napoleon's Russian campaign was in 1812 !!!

And i also remind that scientists can answer much older questions than that.
1812 was a piece of cake for them, after they located this mass grave. 8)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/archaeolog ... y_07.shtml

I correct myself, mass grave found in Vilnious not Riga.

The Lithuanians have allowed some bones and teeth from the recovered bodies to be brought to the UK for lead isotope testing. The earliest water we drink as children leaves an indelible fingerprint in our teeth and bones, which means that isotope testing can tell Dr Mike Richards - the British pathologist involved in the analysis - what part of Europe the owner of a particular bone or tooth stemmed from, whether from the Po, the Elbe, or the Seine. The tests have also helped determine the cause of death of some of the victims, as well as what illnesses they suffered from. None of them seem to have died in battle.
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Postby joachim neander » 1 decade 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:28 pm)

J william wrote:
I wonder how one can forensically establish the fact that a skeleton is of a particular religion. Certainly there are many facts that can be forensically gleaned from a skeleton but religion is not one of them.

You are right: one cannot establish the religion from the skeletons alone. One needs other information, which, however, in the most cases is available. I have studied many documents about the exhumation of people who died during evacuation marches of concentration camps. First, it is in most cases known who participated in the march: names, prisoner numbers, and so on. Comparing with camp records one can establish if someone was Jewish, because this fact was always mentioned in the camp records. Then we know who survived the march. The difference is composed of the few who had the opportunity to escape and the many who died en route. That is simple arithmetics.

Second, in all the evacuation marches the dead were buried in a hurry. Don't forget that the camp SS was fleeing, together with the prisoners, from the advancing enemy troops. So they had hastily a pit dug out, thrown the bodies into it, and covered it with some earth and/or dry leaves. As a rule, the dead were buried with their clothes and all that they carried with them. Even years later, aluminum prisoner's number tags were excavated, and often parts of the clothes and other objects allowed an identification.

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Postby jemand » 1 decade 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:24 pm)

On Irving's site, he has a report about a little mishap at the Nuremberg Trials when a witness talked about fabrication of "gold teeth" evidence by the Allies:

"...the lights were extinguished, and we saw projected on the screen before us the horrible pictures of what the Americans found in the strong-room of the Frankfurt offices of the Reichsbank. We saw soldiers enter the building and the big safes swing open. Huge, tightly packed bags with the imprint Deutsche Reichsbank dropped to the floor; powerful men needed all their strength to lift them on to tables. Then the seals were solemnly broken and the contents poured out: rings, bracelets, ear-rings, trinkets; jewellery of every conceivable kind from simple brooches to great tiaras, coins, banknotes, studs, sleeve-links, and above all false and gold-capped teeth in their thousands. And in the midst of this fantastic booty in this nightmare of a thieves' kitchen we saw again and again the emblems of the state we had all served and the clear imprint Deutsche Reichsbank.

We sat flabbergasted. The lights were switched on and Dodd went back to the rostrum to confirm that this film had been made immediately after the Allied occupation of Frankfurt on Main. Anyone could verify the details by looking at the official minutes of the meeting of 7th May, 1946.

...

Puhl was held in the Nuremberg prison for about a year at the end of which he appeared in the dock at the 'Wilhelmstrasse' trial. However, the Allies were not very lucky with this man, who, though he looked not unlike Funk, had a great deal more calm tenacity.

At the Wilhelmstrasse trial Puhl got an official of the Frankfurt branch of the Reichsbank to testify on his behalf. The witness declared under oath that at the time of the city's occupation by American troops the strong-room and all the safes of the bank had been completely empty; and were so when he had handed them over to the Occupation Authorities.

The witness was then questioned about the film, which, according to Mr. Dodd's statement had been made immediately after the occupation of Frankfurt. To this he answered that he knew all about it because he had been personally present during its production. A few days after the occupation some U.S. lorries had pulled up at the door of the branch and the manager requested to hand over Reichsbank bags which were then filled with gold teeth, jewellery, etc. taken from the lorries and put in the empty safes. After these safes had been filled cameramen appeared and made a film of their contents."

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Nb ... eeth2.html

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:41 pm)

Hi Jemand,

But everything in the Merkers mine was moved to the Frankfurt Reichsbank so that it wouldn't come under the Soviet sector, in April 1945.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 weeks ago (Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:15 pm)

joachim neander said:
You are right: one cannot establish the religion from the skeletons alone. One needs other information, which, however, in the most cases is available. I have studied many documents about the exhumation of people who died during evacuation marches of concentration camps. First, it is in most cases known who participated in the march: names, prisoner numbers, and so on. Comparing with camp records one can establish if someone was Jewish, because this fact was always mentioned in the camp records. Then we know who survived the march. The difference is composed of the few who had the opportunity to escape and the many who died en route. That is simple arithmetics.

Second, in all the evacuation marches the dead were buried in a hurry. Don't forget that the camp SS was fleeing, together with the prisoners, from the advancing enemy troops. So they had hastily a pit dug out, thrown the bodies into it, and covered it with some earth and/or dry leaves. As a rule, the dead were buried with their clothes and all that they carried with them. Even years later, aluminum prisoner's number tags were excavated, and often parts of the clothes and other objects allowed an identification.


Surely Neander didn't think he would go unchallenged, and to disabuse anyone of the lies that these marches were 'forced death marches':
Was Auschwitz Liberated or Merely Occupied by the Red Army?
by Germar Rudolf
[email protected]

Jan. 26, 2005

In the book for which Elie Wiesel is most famous, namely "Night" (Bantam
paperback edition, 1960), which is required reading in many public schools across
the globe, Wiesel paints a horrendous picture of life in Auschwitz from April
1944 to January 1945 when he was there. Although many hundreds of thousands of Jews were supposedly gassed there during this time, Wiesel makes no mention of gassings or gas chambers anywhere in his book, as Jürgen Graf and Robert Faurisson have pointed out to us.

(Cf. the table compiled by J. Graf at the end of R. Faurisson, "Witnesses to
the Gas Chambers of Auschwitz," in: G. Rudolf (ed.), "Dissecting the
Holocaust," 2nd. ed., Theses & Dissertations Press, Chicago, IL, 2003, p. 144, http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwitness.html.)

He does however claim to have seen flames from the crematory chimneys and Dr. Mengele wearing a monocle. Both claims are clearly lies, since the Auschwitz crematories, fired with coke, could not produce flames that could travel trough 15 m of flue and 30 m of chimney (see Carlo Mattogno, "Flames and Smoke from the Chimneys of Crematoria," "The Revisionist" 2(1) (2004), pp. 73-78, http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/1/Mattogno73-78.html.).

When the Russians were about to overrun Auschwitz in January 1945, both Elie and his father "chose" to go west with the retreating 'Nazis' and SS rather than be "liberated" by America's greatest ally. They could have told the whole world about Auschwitz within days--but, both Elie and his father as well as countless thousands of other Jews chose instead to trek west with the 'Nazis' on foot at night in the middle of one of the coldest winters and continue working for the defense of the Reich thereafter. In effect, they chose to collaborate.

Some of Wiesel's exact words in "Night" are (p. 78 ):
"The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for
ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him [the father] entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. 'Well, what shall we do, father?' He was silent. 'Let's be evacuated with the others,' I told him."

Elie's tale in this regard is corroborated by other "survivor" accounts
including that of Primo Levi. In Levi's book "Survival in Auschwitz," we have his words for January 17th, 1945:

"It was not a question of reasoning: I would probably also have followed the instinct of the flock if I had not felt so weak: fear is supremely contagious, and its immediate reaction is to make one try to run away."

But he's talking here about running away with the 'Nazis'--and not 'Nazis'
who were mere rank and file party members but supposedly the worst of the worst. He's talking here about running away with the same 'Nazis' and SS who had supposedly carried out the greatest imaginable mass murders of Jews and others in the entire history of the universe. He's talking about running away with the people who supposedly did the actual killings of thousands daily for several years. But, according to his own words he would probably have gone with them nonetheless, except that he was not feeling good that day; he was feeling weak.
The "fear" that he overcame was clearly fear of the Russians and not the
'Nazis;' there is no mention of fear of what the 'Nazis' and SS might do when the evacuees entered the forest or sometime later.

The choices that were made here in January 1945 are enormously important. In the entire history of Jewish suffering at the hands of gentiles what moment in time could possibly be more dramatic than this precious moment when Jews could choose between, on the one hand, liberation by the Soviets with the chances to tell the whole world about the evil 'Nazis' and to help bring about their defeat--and the other choice of going with the 'Nazi' mass murderers and to con tinue working for them and to help preserve their evil regime. In the vast majority of cases, they chose to go with the 'Nazis'
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The momentous choice brings Shakespeare's Hamlet to mind:

"To remain, or not to remain; that is the question:" to remain and be liberated by Soviet troops and risk their slings and rifles in order to tell the whole world about the outrageous 'Nazis'--or, take arms and feet against a sea of cold and darkness in order to collaborate with the very same outrageous 'Nazis'. Oh what heartache--ay there's the rub! Thus conscience does make cowards of us all.

see:
''holocaust' Memorial Day / Auschwitz 'Liberation' debunked'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1716

more on the fact that inmates were given a choice to leave with the SS or stay an await the Soviets:
'Did inmates of Auschwitz choose to be evacuated?'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1372
also, some damning photos:

Healthy Jews of Auschwitz greet the Soviets.
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Healthy Jewish children alive in the Auschwitz II (Birkenau) upon Soviet arrival. Still from a postwar Soviet film.
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According to the unsupportable 'holocaust' story line these people would all be dead ... if the lies were true.

- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Postby joachim neander » 1 decade 2 weeks ago (Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:29 am)

To Hannover:

quote/ Surely Neander didn't think he would go unchallenged, and to disabuse anyone of the lies that these marches were 'forced death marches'/end quote.

Please help me where, in my post, I spoke of "forced death marches." IIRC, I deliberately used the neutral term "evacuation marches."

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 weeks ago (Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:51 pm)

joachim neander wrote:To Hannover:

quote/ Surely Neander didn't think he would go unchallenged, and to disabuse anyone of the lies that these marches were 'forced death marches'/end quote.

Please help me where, in my post, I spoke of "forced death marches." IIRC, I deliberately used the neutral term "evacuation marches."

OK then, do you believe there were 'forced death marches' as the crumbling story line states?

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