Allies caught the Nazis in the act (of genocide)?

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Isn't it strange that the credibility for the holocaust in the American public is what the British and Americans found in the camps when they took them over? And the films they took?

Now holocaust historians say those camps like Dauchau and Bergen Belsen were not "death camps." Also historians say the killing process was finished way before the end of the war. Why doesn't anyone see the disconnect there? Raul Hilberg points out that the killing operations were done something like a year? before the end of the war. And then there's Eisenhower bringing the cameras into Dachau and then showing footage to the German public so that they know the genocide that was going on in the camps.

On top of that, there's the "concentration camp survivors." Their angle is that the Germans needed them for their labor because there was a labor shortage, and thus didn't kill them. Well that doesn't make sense either if upon liberation of Dachau, US servicemen saw "bodies stacked up like wood." And the movies showed a pit of bodies. According to that, they were killing Jews the day before the camps were taken by the allies.

Revforum regulars know that those deaths were due to typhus and starvation and a breakdown of the German government. But look at this situation: Eisenhower brings in cameras to show the hell in these camps. The starved bodies, as if these camps were taken over unexpectedly and they caught the Germans red-handed in their murderous act.

[Radar]

The Dachau film specifically said the clothing hanging outside the [delousing chamber] was from the last group gassed in the gas chambers the day before liberation. That is in direct conflict with the standard story that Himmler contacted the gassing camps in 1944 ordering them to cease all gassings in order to avoid recriminations. The 30,000 horribly emaciated bodies filmed in the pits were called mainly typhus victims in the film (at least they were honest there). However not much was done to dispell their connection to the gas chambers.

In the same film were healthy and normally nourished women filmed showering. There were also large numbers of smiling, walking, and waving inmates filmed at the entrance (non-typhus).

To be fair there was one shot of inmates burned collectively in a building. If it was done by the guards it was what they described it as.

Today, history admits there were no gas chambers at Dachau. This is ignored and people are put in jail for questioning it.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Hi Radar,

Were there really 30,000 bodies in the pits? I thought it was more like 300.

[grenadier]

Carto wrote:

Were there really 30,000 bodies in the pits? I thought it was more like 300.

According to the book "Dachau -- 1933-45, The Official History", (chart p. 281), the number of deaths at the main Dachau camp and its smaller outstations totalled 27,839 for the years from 1940 through 1945.
From November of 1944 through May 1945 - when the german infrastructure broke down- 18,296 inmates died, 66 per cent of the deaths during the war years.
Of these, 2,226 are said to have died in May 1945, after the Americans liberated the camp. In other words, fully eight per cent of the wartime deaths at Dachau took place in a month when the camp was in the hands of Allied forces!

[Radar]

The British/American Dachau film states that 30,000 were buried in the pits. It shows covered pits with signs indicating the number within. Other shots show gruesome images of emaciated corpses being dragged to the pits.

It's obvious these were recent typhus and starvation deaths due to the collapse of German infrastructure during the saturation bombing.

The film lined up fat and healthy local guards in order to show they were well fed.

[Hannover]

The picture they don't want you to see; the multitudes of healthy inmates at Dachau upon arrival of the Allies.

So much for the stories.

Now see how liars work:

'U.S. 'holocaust' Museum and faked Dachau photo caption'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1344

Isn't blowing away lies fun?

- Hannover

[Richard Perle]

The reality is quite different from the Dachau scenes in the Band Of Brothers TV series, where they entered a camp full of zombies.

For many people, especially in Britain and America, it is the pictures of dead and dying inmates at Bergen-Belsen which come to mind when they hear that the holocaust is contested by some people. The ironic thing is, and I've told people this, the same scenes would have existed with or without gas chambers in the east. It doesn't even take any concessions towards revisionists to understand and accept this fact. It would be complicating this nice piece of logic to go further and say that there would most likely be less dead in Bergen-Belsen if the Nazi's did have an extermination policy in action in the east.

[Turpitz]

The British/American Dachau film states that 30,000 were buried in the pits. It shows covered pits with signs indicating the number within.

I lost faith in their ability to count many moons ago! Sticking "another" plaque in the ground is not going to help either. I wonder how many of those bodies that were greedily filmed, were actually German civilians murdered by terror bombing?

Other shots show gruesome images of emaciated corpses being dragged to the pits.

I bet they aren't as gruesome as the 100,000 others you have murdered in Iraq, utilising the same methods i.e. Terror bombing of civilians and infastructure, as the rabies and cholera spreads like wildfire.

For many people, especially in Britain and America, it is the pictures of dead and dying inmates at Bergen-Belsen which come to mind when they hear that the holocaust is contested by some people.

No! that's the earlier version Richard. These same liars have also had to throw the video of "Gas chambers" at Dachau in the bin as well.

[Juan]

The reality is quite different from the Dachau scenes in the Band Of Brothers TV series, where they entered a camp full of zombies.

For many people, especially in Britain and America, it is the pictures of dead and dying inmates at Bergen-Belsen which come to mind when they hear that the holocaust is contested by some people. The ironic thing is, and I've told people this, the same scenes would have existed with or without gas chambers in the east. It doesn't even take any concessions towards revisionists to understand and accept this fact. It would be complicating this nice piece of logic to go further and say that there would most likely be less dead in Bergen-Belsen if the Nazi's did have an extermination policy in action in the east.

Very clever, "Auschwitz as an extermination camp" means:

- no choosing to stay or go with the evil nazis
- no overcrowding at Buchenwald and Dachau
- less typhus deaths at Buchenwald and Dachau
- no "Anne Frank's diary"
- no "Night"

The last two would be perhaps two unintended good consequences of the supposed mass murders. A little black humour here.

[Radar]

Ah, maybe some of those scenes were mixed with Belsen shots.


Have to see the film again to verify the exact count in the graves...