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Are Six Million Missing?

Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:23 pm)

The Holocaust victim numbers are merely claimed, not proven. Take, for example, the figures in the book The Destruction of the European Jews by mainstream Holocaust expert Raul Hilberg and compare it with those by Lucy Dawidowicz, another mainstream expert, which she published in her book The War against the Jews. They both claim that the Holocaust resulted in between five and six million murdered Jews. Yet if you compare how both authors allocate these victims to the various sites of the claimed mass murder, it turns out that they do not agree on anything.

Table 1: Distribution of claimed Holocaust
victims according to murder site
LOCATION HILBERG39 DAWIDOWICZ40
Auschwitz: 1,000,000 2,000,000
Treblinka: 750,000 800,000
Belzec: 550,000 600,000
Sobibor: 200,000 250,000
Chelmno: 150,000 340,000
Majdanek: 50,000 1,380,000
CAMPS TOTAL: 2,700,000 5,370,000
other locations: 2,400,000 563,000

Such a table could be compiled using many more mainstream Holocaust historians, and the figures would be just as wildly divergent. So how come that all these authors end up with basically the same total, when they disagree on everything else, and not a single one of them proves what they claim with incontestable sources?

Source: Rudolf: Lectures on the Holocaust

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:37 am)

Unbelievable.

You're on to something. If you compared those two historians and the discrepancies, then that alone points to the fraudulent nature of the whole thing.

Why is "39" and "40" in there?

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:47 am)

Why is "39" and "40" in there?


Those are the numbers for the footnote sources:

39 Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, Holmes & Meyer, New York 1985, p. 1219.
40 Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, Holt, New York 1975, p. 149


I too have been reading Rudolf's latest book. I highly recommend it - especially if, like me, you find the breathtaking lack of logic related to all things holocaust and anti-revisinist to be one of the most compelling reasons to support revisionism. It has some great observations which were new to me.

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Postby Juan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:58 pm)

This thread, for the sake of simplicity and believer-convincing power, is a keeper.

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:20 pm)

Oh I doubt if the true believers will see the flaws in their belief. Their side has production values and repetition along with mass acceptance. Those things trump cold, hard logic for a depressingly large number of people.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:41 am)

Bergmann wrote:They both claim that the Holocaust resulted in between five and six million murdered Jews. Yet if you compare how both authors allocate these victims to the various sites of the claimed mass murder, it turns out that they do not agree on anything.


The historians' breakdowns are discrepant because their conclusion is based on demographic issues and not the means or locations of killing. In other words, they start from their conclusion and develop the "facts" to support it instead of letting the conclusion follow from the facts.

This is the way the Holocaust is "supposed" to be done. French Professors Vidal-Naquet and Poliakov, and signed by 32 of their colleagues, explained it this way:

Historian's Manifesto wrote:It should not be asked how, technically, such-and-such a mass murder was possible. It was technically possible given that it took place. That is the starting point obliged of any historical investigation into this subject. This truth, it belonged to us to point out simply: there is not, there cannot be debate on the existence of gas chambers.

Le Monde 21 FEB 1979

That's not the way that I was taught science or historiography.

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Postby grenadier » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:38 am)

Scott wrote:
The historians' breakdowns are discrepant because their conclusion is based on demographic issues...


Except that the only detailed demographic study conducted by official historiography is the work by W.Benz "dimension des..." which not only is inconvincing, it is downright dishonest.

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Postby Goethe » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:30 am)

"which not only is inconvincing, it is downright dishonest."

Yes, dishonesty is the operative word here; from Van Pelt, this 'Dr.' Green crank, Reitlinger, Hilberg, etc., to all the phoney gas chamber eyewitnesses. And they don't even seem to mind when they are exposed as liars, they think they are superior and lying is ok if it serves their purposes. Then they demand laws to prevent any questioning of their lies and put the heretics in jail.


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