Auschwitz Commandant Hoess 'confessions' debunked in review

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Postby Vallon » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:13 pm)

Richard Perle wrote:As we know, it was threatened that they would be turned over to the communists.
That was before Höss's arrest, to make his wife reveal where he was hiding.
I wonder if his wife and daughter were still at risk when he wrote those things.
Höss was not afraid to write how he had been beaten upp by the British, given liquor and hit with his riding whip.

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Postby Maly Jacek » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:16 pm)

more on Höss's "confession"

http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/7/4/ ... 9-403.html

Thank you for those images!

The man was an administrator, very much used to writing reports


You are welcome Vallon-I have taken quite a few pictures while visiting Auschwitz
I don't have any doubts about Hoss's admin skills but I would expect to see crossing /correction etc in the text that suppose be "manuscript".

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:11 am)

Maly Jacek wrote:I don't have any doubts about Hoss's admin skills but I would expect to see crossing /correction etc in the text that suppose be "manuscript".


The document is supposed to be written in pencil. Was that the case here? Maybe Höß has erasures that are hard to see.

:D

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Postby Maly Jacek » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:08 pm)

It could have been two or more "manuscripts" or maybe Hoss was just copying already prepared text.What is on display in Auschwitz are just photocopies - I did ask guide where is original but he didn't know.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:58 am)

Astounding! The help I got in answer to my question confirms the quality of this forum. Thanks everyone.

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Postby mata_hari » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:43 pm)

There is so much mythology and hysteria around the person of Rudolf Hoess i simply don't know if the facts will ever be untangled from the fictions. Does anyone wish to give some input to this thread from another forum. Everyone there seems to have all the answers about Rudolf Hoess. :?
http://prodp.proboards47.com/index.cgi? ... 1134099596

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Postby Freeman » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:29 pm)

Scott wrote:The document is supposed to be written in pencil. Was that the case here? Maybe Höß has erasures that are hard to see.

:D


That is in fact the case. Steven Paskuly who edited the most recent collection of Hoess memoirs, Death Dealer: The Memoirs of the SS Commandant at Auschwitz writes in his Introduction (p.19) "The translated documents that constitute Death Dealer, with the exception of the appendices, were written by Rudolf Hoess with pencil on lowgrade paper.

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:44 am)

As a camp administrator himself, he should have known what the other camps were. It's like being the manager of a subsidary. They usually know what the other subsidaries are, what their names are and so on.
Vallon wrote:...The mistake is understandable, if you look at a map, and if you are prepared to equate "Wolzek" with "Wolczyn". Wolczyn is actually att least as close to the camp as the village of Sobibor is.
http://www.mazal.org/Maps/Sobibor-01.htm (with Chelm at the bottom)
http://www.mazal.org/Maps/Sobibor-03.htm
(The maps are bit slow to load, so I don't include them as images.)
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... Not so an interogator of course. He'd get such info from a map.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:47 am)

I read several times through the German edition of the Hoess biography and find the description of the homicidal gassings rather thin and vague.

So I wonder what the Poles would have done if Hoess would have written in his book that there were no homicidal gas chambers and gassings at all in Auschwitz/Birkenau?

Would they really have left it like that in their love and tolerance for free speech and the respect for the opinion of others?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:14 am)

The Wolzek howler becomes a scream when we consider that Wolzek is, according the desperate spin, supposed to be Sobibor, which sounds nothing like Wolzek, is spelled nothing like Wolzek, and Hoess never mentions Sobibor, which he should have IF the storyline is true.

Sobibor was supposedly the site of 250,000 gassed Jews, yet Hoess, the man allegedly in charge of making the killings there more efficient, curiously never mentions it. Right.

The liars have changed their absurd story from diesel gassings to gasoline gassings, yet Hoess supposedly chose Zyklon-B for Auschwitz as a better way, but left these Reinhardt camps to Russian submarine & tank engines.

Now let's see, where are those alleged mass graves? Where are those authentic German documents?

You gotta laugh.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:57 pm)

Hi Bergmann,

Great point. When you're in that sort of position that Hoess was in, you have to go with some of the lie, to get part of the truth out. And even then they didn't release it till 1958?

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:07 pm)

Hoess actually signed his own death sentence with his autobiograghy.

And not only his own death sentence, but also those of his co-defendants, as well as those who were 20 years later accused during the German Auschwitz trial in 1965. They had absolutely no chance to deny the existence of these allege gas chambers in Auschwitz/Birkena.

Who could possibly deny the existence of the homicidal gas chambers after the boss himself confessed? It is now what is known as “offensichtlich” (self-evident).

Neither Zündel, Rudolf nor Irving have any chance.

The Holocaust hoaxers of course use these perpetrator confessions today and gloat triumphantly what good evidence they have to prove the hoax.

“The Germans themselves confess to these crimes.”

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Postby Mendoza » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:54 am)

Another interesting comment by Hoess is captured in the book "Nuremberg Diary" by G.M. Gilbert. On page 229, Gilbert asks Hoess about how the mass murder was done. Here is a brief excerpt of his reply,
"The killing was easy; you didn't even need guards to drive them into the chambers; they just went in expecting to take showers and, instead of water, we turned on poison gas. The whole thing went very quickly." Gilbert adds, "He related all of this in a quiet, apathetic, matter-of-fact tone of voice."

So in addition to missing camps, unrecognizable locations, incorrect dates, we have a strange description of the gassing process. Why would Hoess say, "we turned on poison gas"? This sounds like the old gas through the shower head tale -- and yet that is not what anyone claims occurred at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

MENDOZA

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Postby Daniel Saez Lorente » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:37 pm)

Richard Perle wrote:
Vallon wrote:The writings of Höss are not really different from his testimony in Nuremberg, before he was handed over to the communists.


They wouldn't be. I hardly think that anyone would allow anything but a confirmation of his earlier confession to come out. I wonder if his wife and daughter were still at risk when he wrote those things. As we know, it was threatened that they would be turned over to the communists.


The composition of autobiographies is a standard, and very well-known, technique of Communist brain-washing, employed all over the world.


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