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Trying To Turn The Tables

Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:41 am)

Have you guys ever seen this essay? This guy turns the tables on revisionists, and demands to see the evidence that there was ever an army of propaganda experts who forged, or could have forged, the Holocaust, and where is their paperwork.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~jamie/the-hoax.shtml

If you look at this essay, badly constructed as it is, every question he asks can be easily answered. For instance:

“Give me one piece of documentation, or one testimony, that serves as evidence for this alleged massive hoax, this insane conspiracy theory”

Well, here’s an entire book of documentation.

http://www.seftondelmer.co.uk/index.htm

Linked to an entire web page devoted to Allied black propaganda and forgery methods.

http://www.psywar.org/

At one point he writes:

“Show me anything. I want one memo between members of Operation Jewish Forgery, one written piece of evidence that something went on.”

Well, the author of this memo isn’t a Jew, but nevertheless, this is what he’s asking for.

http://www.seftondelmer.co.uk/memo-most-secret1.htm

“I don't insist of having a top-of-the-line smoking gun, the one document that proves not only the conspiracy but exactly what it was doing. I just want some corroborating evidence, even a little bit.”

Take a good look at that memo I linked, and it’s references to exactly what sort of forgeries to make. I did better than his request, I gave him the top-of-the-line smoking gun.

As I said, his essay is badly constructed, but it’s still possible to pull out some of his specific questions on who forged the Holocaust, which are easy to answer.

WHO WAS THE EMPLOYER: On the British side, the Special Operations Executive, 64 Baker Street, London, with massive input from the BBC. Specific names among the British employers are Sefton Delmer, Ian Fleming, Hugh Dalton, Colin Gubbins, and the British press minister Lord Halifax. On the Russian side, mainly the propaganda units at TASS, helped along by a special executive run by Ilya Ehrenburg.

HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WERE THERE: About 500 permanent is a good guess for the British effort – but they hired “temps” on a regular basis, scouring prisons for master forgers, using continental refugees to look over the forgeries and add the proper authenticity. Sir William Stephenson has detailed how they would bribe consular officials in neutral countries like Mexico to procure phony documents such as visas. Passports, money, identity papers, even “pocket litter” such as movie or racing track tickets. Railway tickets, military ID’s, military leave papers and passes, visa’s, letters of transit, steamship tickets, an officer's promotion papers, everything that could be forged was forged. If you look at the memo I linked, they were forging orders from the German High Command. Forging orders from Einstatzgruppen or manipulating Holocaust pictures would be child’s play for these people. They even carefully followed individual people, not just top leaders but common people, and worked intimate details of their lives into the propaganda.

WHERE ARE THEY: “They” are now writing their memoirs, after decades of silence imposed by the Official Secrets Act. Many, many of them worked for the BBC, and are now retired.

WHERE ARE ALL THESE DOCUMENTS OF THE FORGERIES: MI-5 Archives, Moscow Archives, and in the case of Ilya Ehrenburg, possibly also at Yad Vashem, where he willed his papers. Sefton Delmer and Sir William Stephenson’s memoir’s present some of the documents.

WHERE ARE ALL THE WITNESSES?: See the above memoirs. Also, see the History Channel special on the British black propaganda efforts, “His Majesty’s Pornographers”, hosted by Arthur Dent. Many, many of the witnesses are identified. Those that are still living are living on their pensions.
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There’s all sorts of sources for even more evidence of the hoaxers, their names, their exact jobs, everything.

I can’t remember the name of the man who forged “The Hitler Two-Step”, the film looping that had Hitler dancing a jig at Versailles, but his name and a brief interview with him are in the Time-Life World War II series book “The Fall Of France”. He later went on to do several other forgeries.

In actor Michael Caine’s autobiography, “What’s It All About”, he describes in several pages his early work in the BBC, and how he briefly worked with the editorial unit charged with editing and manipulating Holocaust movies, such as looping the sequence where bulldozers bury bodies at Belsen so that it looks like more bodies are there than there are. If I remember correctly, he gives the names of the editors.

The book “A Man Called Intrepid”, detailing the wartime work of master spy Sir William Stephenson, goes into great detail about how the British combed their prisons for master forgers to work in the Special Operations Executive.

To be sure, most of what the Black Propagandists have released deal with undermining the German military, and there is very little there in the way of the “Holocaust”, but, as they pointed out on that History Channel special, most of these archives are under the Official Secrets Act, and haven’t been released.

The links I’ve provided prove that there was an army of forgers, film editors, photographers, printers, artists, writers, etc. In otherwords, the huge industrial plant needed to create a Holocaust Myth was in place, and as the war ended, was looking for something to do. The massive paperwork is there, still in those archives. The specific orders to forge say, some of the manipulated Belsen photographs are undoubtedly there, not to see the light of day for some time.

Sefton Delmer's book is, in fact, a masterpiece on not only how to write propaganda, but how to figure out what SORT of propaganda to write.

Anyway, has an essay answering this guy ever been done? And if it were done, where would it be printed?

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:18 am)

What's particularly interesting, is they use this sophistry on the Palestinians too, but no one ever seems to backtrack and reassess their beliefs in the holocaust. This following post is going around the internet. The big sophistic trick here is that prior to World War One, Palestine had been part of the Ottomon Empire for around 600 years. The point of this, and the reason I post it, is that it is so similar to the questions in Playwright's link.
PALESTINE THE COUNTRY???

If you are so sure that Palestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history, I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country:

• When was it founded and by whom?
• What were its borders?
• What was its capital?
• What were its major cities?
• What constituted the basis of its economy?
• What was its form of government?
• Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
• Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
• What was the language of the country of Palestine?
• What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
• What was the name of its currency?

• Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese Yuan on that date.

• And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?

• If you are lamenting the low sinking of a once proud nation, please tell me, when exactly was that nation proud and what was it so proud of?

And keep in mind that idea that what people say about others might be true about them :shock:

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:01 am)

This Jamie 'McCarthy', cited by PLAYWRIGHT, is a shyster. Have a look here as we torch this liar:
phoney gas vans / J. McCarthy & 'holocaust' Hist. Proj.
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=73

liar McCarthy asks:
“Give me one piece of documentation, or one testimony, that serves as evidence for this alleged massive hoax, this insane conspiracy theory”

“Show me anything. I want one memo between members of Operation Jewish Forgery, one written piece of evidence that something went on.”

Notice he throws around the phrase insane conspiracy theory with the intent to demonize those who can think beyond the lies. Ofcourse it's the 'holocau$t' Industry which claims an insane conspiracy by the western world against Jews, we all were supposedly complicit in 'extermination of Jews', 'hid the obvious evidence', 'stood silent as 6,000,000 perished', 'The Vatican knew', blah blah blah. Those trying to throw the hound off the trail should be careful what laughable, blowback tactics they attempt.

Now here we have simple visual evidence of judeo-supremacist actions, documentation of their active participation in creating phoney 'evidence'. This is just the tip of the iceberg; this forum is a veritable encyclopedia of 'holocau$t' Industry / judeo-supremacist fraud.

From the sleazy Wiesenthal Center:
"As these prisoners were being processed for slave labor, many of their friends and families were being gassed and burned in the ovens in the crematoria. The smoke can be seen in the background. June 1944".

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however, the real photo below:
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story here:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/fak ... eFake.html

The panic stricken Wiesenthal center has now removed that photo. Thank Revisionists for that. Only liars need to enage in forgeries. Only liars fear debate and freedom of speech.

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Postby Daniel Saez Lorente » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:41 am)

I have always believed Sefton Delmer to have been a Jew, and later a veteran of the Israeli army. Whaddya mean, this guy isn't a Jew? Delmer wrote a whole passle of books bragging about his mendacity, one of them called THE BLACK BOOMERANG. One of the most famous has been translated into German as DIE DEUTSCHE UND ICH, title in English unknown.
Another book is called THE BLACK GAME, by Eric Howe, about black propaganda.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:09 pm)

“The Revisionist case is broadly as follows:

· There exists no documentary evidence whatsoever that there ever was a decision on the part of Hitler or the National Socialist state to physically murder all the Jews of Europe. There is however an abundance of evidence for the decision to persecute, disempower and expel all Jews from Europe

· There is no physical evidence whatsoever for the existence of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz or indeed anywhere else. There is however abundant evidence for the widespread use of hydrogen cyanide (Zyklon B) gas and gas chambers for delousing and disinfection against typhus. No-one has yet been able to produce, draw or describe a homicidal gas chamber or produce a photograph or plan of one because no-one has ever seen a homicidal gas chamber.

· No-one has ever seen a homicidal gas chamber because they did not exist. The gas chambers shown to thousands of visitors to Auschwitz are, by the admission of the museum authorities, post-war reconstructions. Common images of gas chambers from other locations are either disinfestation chambers or more commonly morgues, air-raid shelters (often gas-tight) or crematoria. Common images of the gassing of Jews - deportees boarding and disembarking from trains, mountains of eyeglasses and shoes, piles of corpses, crematoria chimneys are just that - people and trains, eyeglasses and shoes, corpses, smoking chimneys, no more, no less - they do not constitute evidence of mass gassing.

· Not only is there no physical evidence for the existence of homicidal gas chambers there is substantial physical, architectural, topographical, geographical and forensic evidence against their existence. The critical evidence is in three reports all resulting from investigations at the site itself at Auschwitz. The first and most famous of these was the Leuchter report commissioned by Ernst Zundel in 1988. Acclaimed by revisionists this report was somewhat hurriedly put together and, because of dispute about the interpretation of its conclusions, must be regarded as revelatory but nonetheless, inconclusive. However Leuchter's findings and conclusions were refined and confirmed by a forensic study carried out by German chemist Germar Rudolf and by a forensic examination and report commissioned by the Auschwitz State museum and conducted by Institute of Forensic Research in Krakow.

· The gassing and cremation of the numbers claimed, in the time claimed and with the facilities claimed is simply not possible. Some of the evidence for this conclusion comes from studies of individual gas executions performed in the United States, any study of which will show how hard it is to kill one person safely and efficiently let alone the hundreds claimed.

· The numbers of Jews killed by the Nazis, usually held to be around six million, is grossly exaggerated. This is largely because of greatly inflated pre-war Jewish population figures and underestimated Jewish survival and emigration figures.

· The context of much of the evidence for the Holocaust narrative was the Nuremberg Trials - an extraordinary and unprecedented set of trials of the vanquished by the victors with little attempt to find or to tell the truth. Without the evidence generated by these proceedings there would be no significant evidence that the extermination of Jews took place at all. The legitimacy of the court itself was questionable, its procedures were a disgrace with defendants denied basic procedural rights and with much of the evidence presented in the form of survivor testimony taken at face value or confessions beaten and tortured out of the hapless defendants. As a matter of record, the key confession of Auschwitz Commandant, Rudolf Hoess was obtained through torture and coercion. (6)

· Overall there is very little evidence for the established Holocaust narrative. Hard evidence is elusive, and what evidence as does exist is built largely on eyewitness reports, confessions and hearsay. Witness reports, notoriously unreliable anyway, are in this case, totally false. Many key witnesses have already been demolished in the witness box and many noted ones such as those by Rudolf Vrba, Felipe Muller, Kurt Gerstein and Rudolf Hoess are now partially or completely discredited.

· Many key elements of the Holocaust narrative have already been disproved to the extent that even establishment Holocaust writers have conceded their inaccuracy. Examples of these are the Jews-into-soap story - the long disproved story of how the Nazis used the bodies of gassed Jews to make soap, the use of "steam chambers" to steam victims to death, and the existence of homicidal gas chambers at concentration camps in Germany itself such as Dachau and Buchenwald - all claims were made at Nuremberg and all have subsequently been quietly discarded. Most telling is the quiet downgrading of the figures of victims illustrated by the removal of nineteen signs at Auschwitz which told visitors in nineteen languages that four million Jews died in the camp. These have now been replaced with signs claiming a million and a half (still claimed by revisionists to be a significant exaggeration).
Revisionist research seems to have been carried out in a scholarly manner, is well supported by evidence and is presented in a calm and restrained way. That some revisionists (not all) have histories in far-right activism is true. That some (not all) exhibit anti-Jewish sentiment is also true although this may in part be due to the assaults that many have come under from Jews and Jewish organisations. Some (not all) have, in the past, been affiliated to racist and nationalist organisations, some (not all) speak fluent German and some even are Germans. Such information should lead us to look closely for signs of bias in their research; but not to discount their findings per se.”

Source:
JEWISH LOOK AT HOLOCAUST REVISIONISM
Paul Eisen on Holocaust Revisionism and the Palestinian cause
http://vho.org/aaargh/engl/Jewlook.html

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:28 pm)

Bergmann wrote:“The Revisionist case is broadly as follows:

· There exists no documentary evidence whatsoever that there ever was a decision on the part of Hitler or the National Socialist state to physically murder all the Jews of Europe. There is however an abundance of evidence for the decision to persecute, disempower and expel all Jews from Europe


Source:
JEWISH LOOK AT HOLOCAUST REVISIONISM
Paul Eisen on Holocaust Revisionism and the Palestinian cause
http://vho.org/aaargh/engl/Jewlook.html


And again, the link doesn't come up.

Is anybody else besides me having trouble getting into www.vho.org? For three weeks now, all I get is that "server error" page.

Technical trouble? Or something more ominous?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:48 pm)

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The Revisionist case is broadly as follows:

"Broadly" indeed. This paragraph I find problematic:
That some (not all) exhibit anti-Jewish sentiment is also true although this may in part be due to the assaults that many have come under from Jews and Jewish organisations. Some (not all) have, in the past, been affiliated to racist and nationalist organisations, some (not all) speak fluent German and some even are Germans. Such information should lead us to look closely for signs of bias in their research; but not to discount their findings per se.”

What defines "anti-Jewish" vs. anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-Gentile? Who defines it? Who appointed them to define it? Are they paid to define it for judeo-supremacist interests? Can only Jews define it?

Racist organizations? What is that? Anything like the judeo-supremacist ADL, JDL, Wiesenthal Center, Bnai Brith, AIPAC, etc. etc.? Who decides what's "racist"? Why is "racism" ok for judeo-supremacists and others, but not for those of European extraction?

"Nationalist organizations"? So what? Why is Israeli nationalism good, European peoples' nationalism bad? Who decides? Who benefits from attacking Europeans nationalist interests while ignoring others?

"Some speak German"? So what? "Some are even Germans"? So what? Is the author a German bashing "racist"?

And why wrap up this absurd paragraph with:

"Such information should lead us to look closely for signs of bias in their research .."

Why look closely for bias by European peoples but not by the Zionist judeo-supremacists who have foisted the absurd 'holocau$t' upon everyone?

The author, Paul Eisen, has some thinking to do.

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:11 am)

PLAYWRIGHT wrote:And again, the link doesn't come up.


The link works over here. Try this one:

The Holocaust Wars

Its the same document.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:26 am)

The author, Paul Eisen, has some thinking to do.

Paul Eisen summed it up nicely, and within the context of this thread, when he wrote:

“This must surely be the establishment's strongest weapon - the sheer incredibility of the revisionist proposition. How could such a deception have taken place? How could all those survivors be so wrong in their testimonies? How could all those perpetrators be so wrong in their confessions? How could all those documents, unspecific as they are, have been falsified? Arthur Butz called his ground breaking revisionist study 'The Hoax of the Twentieth Century' but a hoax of this size and nature just defies belief. Conspiracy theories rarely convince, nor do those who propagate them, so surely the sheer absurdity of the revisionists' claim tells us all we need to know. If revisionism is to have any credibility at all it must demonstrate how, if false, the Holocaust narrative, as we know it, came to be.”

and he suggests:

“But we are entitled to search for the truth. The real crime committed by the National Socialists - the exclusion, disempowerment, deportation, enslavement, death by omission and by commission and expulsion of a people simply because they were that people - was a terrible one. One does not need gas-chambers to make the targeting of Jews just because they are Jews, extraordinary and unacceptable. Nonetheless, if this targeting did not extend to extermination, if there were no gas-chambers and if six million Jews did not die, then we should know it and, if necessary address the implications. If there is some reason why we should not investigate this matter then the onus is on those who would deny us that right, to say why. Those who would deny us that right have tried to say why, but in my view they have failed miserably.”

http://vho.org/aaargh/engl/Jewlook.html

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:57 am)

While I respect Eisen's call for free speech & inquiry, especially:
If there is some reason why we should not investigate this matter then the onus is on those who would deny us that right, to say why. Those who would deny us that right have tried to say why, but in my view they have failed miserably.”

I question some of his logic however.

Using his own argument, the vastly more numeous accounts of UFO/alien abduction must be countered in order for those who reject them to have credibility.

Eisen is apprently not aware that those who scream 'conspiracy theories' are the very one's who propagate them, i.e.:
- Jews claim a world conspiracy against them
- Judeo-supremacist neo-cons and their puppets claim a vast Muslim/Al-Quaeda conspiracy to attack the west because 'they hate our freedom', they claim al-Quaeda cells in over 60 countries, etc.

And then he groups all the 'testimonies' together as if we shouldn't scrutinize them one by one; which is exactly what Revisionists do. He implies that they represent and impregnable fortress. But behind the fortress walls is nothing but mist, utter absurdities and tales which defy logic and laws of science. Eisen should call for a case by case review of exactly what the testimonies contain.

Keep working on it, Eisen, you're getting close.

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Re: Trying To Turn The Tables

Postby Hektor » 4 years 3 months ago (Sat May 02, 2015 8:36 am)

PLAYWRIGHT wrote:....The book “A Man Called Intrepid”, detailing the wartime work of master spy Sir William Stephenson, goes into great detail about how the British combed their prisons for master forgers to work in the Special Operations Executive.

To be sure, most of what the Black Propagandists have released deal with undermining the German military, and there is very little there in the way of the “Holocaust”, but, as they pointed out on that History Channel special, most of these archives are under the Official Secrets Act, and haven’t been released.

The links I’ve provided prove that there was an army of forgers, film editors, photographers, printers, artists, writers, etc. In otherwords, the huge industrial plant needed to create a Holocaust Myth was in place, and as the war ended, was looking for something to do. The massive paperwork is there, still in those archives. The specific orders to forge say, some of the manipulated Belsen photographs are undoubtedly there, not to see the light of day for some time.

Sefton Delmer's book is, in fact, a masterpiece on not only how to write propaganda, but how to figure out what SORT of propaganda to write.
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The book is downloadable here:

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https://archive.org/details/WilliamStev ... edIntrepid
I assume he's not telling us the FULL story there. But still lots of interesting hints and info to find. Also on operations in Poland prior to the war and on some other measures to undermine and provoke.

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Re: Trying To Turn The Tables

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 4 years 3 months ago (Sat May 02, 2015 4:25 pm)

That's good to bring this to the forum forefront. Could be an important book for revisionism. These people wrote books but skirted what they were allowed to say or what they were willing to reveal. Like Daniel Lerner's Sykewar, or Alexander Scotland's book on the London Cage.

Also, in this thread I noticed Paul Eisen. That's 10 years ago. I didn't realize he'd been in this for that long.

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Re: Trying To Turn The Tables

Postby Marcy Fleming » 4 years 3 months ago (Wed May 06, 2015 11:00 am)

Those rigged rhetorical 'questions' were absurd. As one who is Irish-Jewish let me point out that there was no Irish State until 1921.
Does that mean that no Irish existed for thousands of years before that ? For at least 1300 years before the State of Israel there
was an Arabic speaking, Muslim religion majority. It was a province of the Turks Ottoman Empire for a good deal of that time,
the major city was Jerusalem and who knows or cares what the currency was ? It's boundaries were probably what they are today.
Don't think the Turks changed but just ruled it as an administrative province of their empire. Debating these Zionist apologists' nuts is like debating fundy Christ-Cult nuts on abortion, a total waste of time.

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Re: Trying To Turn The Tables

Postby Reviso » 4 years 3 months ago (Thu May 07, 2015 9:00 am)

PLAYWRIGHT wrote:In actor Michael Caine’s autobiography, “What’s It All About”, he describes in several pages his early work in the BBC, and how he briefly worked with the editorial unit charged with editing and manipulating Holocaust movies, such as looping the sequence where bulldozers bury bodies at Belsen so that it looks like more bodies are there than there are. If I remember correctly, he gives the names of the editors.


I don't find any confirmatio of this on Internet. Is it sure ?
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Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 4 years 3 months ago (Thu May 07, 2015 9:34 am)

Reviso wrote:
PLAYWRIGHT wrote:In actor Michael Caine’s autobiography, “What’s It All About”, he describes in several pages his early work in the BBC, and how he briefly worked with the editorial unit charged with editing and manipulating Holocaust movies, such as looping the sequence where bulldozers bury bodies at Belsen so that it looks like more bodies are there than there are. If I remember correctly, he gives the names of the editors.


I don't find any confirmatio of this on Internet. Is it sure ?
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It's rubbish.

During my last eighteen months at Clubland I started work in a short series of dead end jobs, marking time until I started my two years of National Service. I had left school at the age of sixteen and a half with three or four passes in the final exams, much to everyone's surprise, including my own. I was never happier to leave anywhere than I was when I left school. The feeling, I was assured on my last day by the headmaster, was mutual.

I was free at last to get into show business. The nearest job to Hollywood I could manage was as an office boy with a little film company called Peak Films. This company made little 8-millimetre films of the sights of London to take home before the days of video cameras. I was just an office boy who did odd jobs, but I was allowed occasionally to carry the equipment when the cameramen went out shooting some new tourist spot. I got quite handy with the lights and the general electrics and on Sundays I used to help with the lighting at Jewish weddings. Mr Frieze, who owned the company, was Jewish so he had a lot of contacts and we did loads of weddings. I was the only boy that I know of who could sing Hava Nagila all the way through. We were filming a Jewish wedding dinner in a night club one Sunday evening and the cabaret featured a band called Eddie Calvert and his Golden Trumpet. When the time came for the cabaret, the lights dimmed, the stage opened up and a spotlit Mr Calvert started to ascend from out of sight below stage. Mr Jackson, the man who did all the actual filming, yelled at me that he wanted to get this shot and that I should plug in all the lights because it was so dark. Eddie Calvert's head was just appearing at stage level, his Trumpet was indeed gleaming Gold, and he was playing the ubiquitous Hava Nagila. Just as his chin was at about floor level, I plugged in my lights. The fuses all blew at once and the lift carrying Calvert and his band stopped immediately. People started to shout as bulbs and fuses started to pop all over the place. Mr Jackson fired me on the spot, in a very impolite manner and my last image as I fled the club was the head of Eddie Calvert blasting away on his Golden Trumpet like a demented but talented pumpkin.

During my time at Peak Films I had one experience that was to have a profound effect on me. Mr Frieze had been a colonel in the army and at the end of the war he had been the military censor who had made the then very difficult decision to release in the public newsreels the films of the concentration camps at Belsen, Auschwitz and Dachau. I had seen brief newsreel snippets of these many times in the cinema and found them very upsetting but I reasoned Hitler was dead, and it was all over and best forgotten. One day at the office we were discussing this matter and I remember saying how horrifying it all was and the guy who ran the projector said that what they had released was nothing compared with what they had decided to hold back. Mr Frieze had kept an uncensored copy and this he ran for us. I sat and watched in stunned disbelief as this record of obscenity unreeled, until I knew that I was going to be sick. Just before I ran out, my last thought was about the boys that I went to school with at Hackney Down Grocers. I wondered how many of the corpses on the piles flickering in front of me had been called Maurice.
Michael Caine, What's It All About?, London: Arrow, 1993, pp.57-59.

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