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Postby Scott » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:53 pm)

grenadier wrote:
Scott wrote:Sgt. Erich Fuchs installed a gasoline engine from a truck at Sobibor, and gives enough detail that engine type is definitely gasoline, but the story lacks other important details.


Scott, in what ways is the story by sgt.Fuchs lacking in your opinion?


For one thing Fuchs doesn't explain how he mounted the engine. You can't just bolt a truck engine onto a concrete floor.

This is discussed some in this thread:

Answer to Jonathan Swift on Diesels

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:51 pm)

Scott cites Fuchs:
Sgt. Erich Fuchs installed a gasoline engine from a truck at Sobibor, and gives enough detail that engine type is definitely gasoline, but the story lacks other important details.



Fuchs said a benzine engine. That doesn't automatically mean a gasoline engine. Check out >benzine engine< in GOOGLE and see there were benzine engines being used and benzine isn't gasoline.

What we have with that was just another German offering nonsense, like Eichmann with his submarine engine.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:10 pm)

TMoran wrote:Scott cites Fuchs:

Sgt. Erich Fuchs installed a gasoline engine from a truck at Sobibor, and gives enough detail that engine type is definitely gasoline, but the story lacks other important details.

Fuchs said a benzine engine. That doesn't automatically mean a gasoline engine. Check out >benzine engine< in GOOGLE and see there were benzine engines being used and benzine isn't gasoline.

What we have with that was just another German offering nonsense, like Eichmann with his submarine engine.

In the link above the different variations of Fuchs' story are explored.

Benzine is not gasoline but in German a Benzinmotor is always a gasoline engine.

However, Fuchs also repaired the ignition. You do that on a spark-ignition (i.e., gasoline) engine but not on a diesel, which is a compression-ignition oil engine.

Fuchs also says the engine was a V-8 motor, about 250 horsepower from a Lastkraftwagen (truck). The diesel engines of the time for trucks were straight-sixes of about 90 horsepower maximum.

A Soviet tank engine in 1941 was probably either a V-12 (model W-2) diesel or a V-12 (Liberty model) gasoline engine. Both the KV-1 and T-34 Soviet tanks used the W-2 diesel engine, although a few were built with the gasoline version while the engine factory was being evacuated from Kharkov in 1941. By 1942 all Soviet tanks used the model W-2 diesel of about 500-600 horsepower, although a smaller V-6 (model W-4) diesel was used experimentally for a short time in 1941.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:01 am)

grenadier wrote:Scott, in what ways is the story by sgt.Fuchs lacking in your opinion?

The installation of the engine as described by Fuchs, who is said to be an engine mechanic, is rather vague.

The engine has to be anchored to the foundation to prevent is from moving all over the place.

The engine has to be properly cooled, without it the engine will overheat, stall out and freeze up in a very short time. Fuchs would have to install some sort of radiator/fan assembly which would have to be hooked up to the cooling water passages of the engine itself.

Fuchs would have to come up with a fuel day-tank and fuel pump assembly for the engine operation.

He would also have to install a starting battery, connected to the engine driven alternator or equivalent, and the electrical circuitry to start the engine.

He would also need a muffler which connects to the engine exhaust.

All this is of course possible, but it takes time to do.

I don’t believe that simply placing the engine on a foundation and to start right away with gassing people works.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:25 am)

As to Scott saying:
Sgt. Erich Fuchs installed a gasoline engine from a truck at Sobibor, and gives enough detail that engine type is definitely gasoline, but the story lacks other important details.


Grenadier asks:
Scott, in what ways is the story by sgt.Fuchs lacking in your opinion?


Scott:
For one thing Fuchs doesn't explain how he mounted the engine. You can't just bolt a truck engine onto a concrete floor.



Seems like we would and should expect something more thorough than how they mounted a truck engine. But sticking with that first, they would have to have installed a vertical frame to catch the bell housing of the engine, or removing that, some kind of a vertical to catch the engine directly and something for the forward motor mounts. Just pulling a car up and attaching the exhaust to a pipe would have been easier and at least they would know right away whether or not the engine was operational or not.

( Typically Holocaust clone ’facts’, there is another tale about engine failure at Belzec where the alleged victims had to wait a long time in the chambers before the Germans got it fixed. )

One of the problems with the engine tales, as with all the other Holocaust ‘facts’, is they lack sensible details.

No one ever says why they would have selected the engines that are said to have been used. Like, why truck engines, tank engines or submarine engines, and, and, why usually engines captured from the Russians instead of German supplied engines. Yeah, yeah, one might expect as a reply, the Germans needed their own engines for the war effort. Yet, say two engines for each camp equals six engines all together. Hardly a strain on the motor pool. Then too, we have those tales of the German made gas vans being used at the Eastern Front.

Allegedly tank, truck and or submarine engines? Big. Big is what the ‘witnesses’ were thinking. According to a compiled report on incidents of farm personnel being overcome by carbon monoxide while using pressure washers driven by gas engines to clean out swine birthing facilities it doesn‘t take much to deliver significant amounts of CO. The sizes of the rooms they were in exceeded the size of the alleged gas chambers, in almost all cases the doors were open and even ventilation fans running, and yet the persons were overcome by the fumes from the engines of only 9 to 11 horsepower.

Going by information like that the Germans could have just brought in a couple of lawn mower engines and hooked the exhaust up to the alleged hermetically sealed chambers. Or, they could have just pulled a car up and attached the exhaust to pipes leading into the alleged chambers.

There are a lot of far more important details that should have been explained than how they mounted the engine.


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