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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:09 pm)

The following photograph features in the so-called Auschwitz Album:

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We your draw attention to the fact that the women in the front of the group although shaven headed still wear their own clothes. It is harder to make out the composition of the group as it recedes into the background, but men and possibly children also appear to be present.

Whilst these women (and possibly the entire group) could simply be inmates awaiting the issue of their prison uniforms, we wonder if they might not be either unregistered 'depot prisoners' who were held in the transit camp in Auschwitz, ready for transfer to other camps, or even, those who were not selected for work at all and were due to be 'lodged separately'.

We are pleased to learn that a new edition of the Album has recently been published and hope to get hold of a copy:

http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/html/eng/aktualnosci/news_big.php?id=480

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:14 pm)

And according to the mythology, we should be seeing the entire site in near darkness as the 'smoke from the continuous industrialized extermination process blackened the sky'......what a fraud it is.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:18 am)

There are a many large chimneys shown in the back of the picture. I wonder where they all belong to.
It is not quite clear to me where inside the camp the picture was taken.

And the kitchen barrack seems to be unnaturally large when one compares with the size of the people in front of it. There must be at least a thousand prisoners standing in front of it. Maybe the building was elevated from the ground level by a couple of feet?

Typical is the title of the picture at the site quoted: the word “death” appears twice: “Waiting for Death”, “Death Camp” and in connection of course with it the oblgitary “SS man”. Maybe a little propaganda here? How would the author know that these people are about to be killed?

I noticed in debating with exterminationists that they base their beliefs to a large extent on assumptions, deductions and implications.

(By the way, I finally got hold of the 1995 German edition of Pressac’s book Die Krematorien von Auschwitz. Die Technik des Massenmordes. The book is on its way. In it Pressac reduced the number of deaths in Auschwitz to 500,000 )
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:35 am)

Good observations. This has the look of a cut & paste job, typical of Communist post war eforts.

As for Pressac; the poor stiff loses either way. He betrayed those who paid him by revising their numbers downward, and he's debunked by Revisionists as he can't even support his 500,000. A two time loser.

I just rec'd issue 1 of the new 'The Revisionist'....quite good stuff.

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:06 am)

Sailor wrote:There are a many large chimneys shown in the back of the picture. I wonder where they all belong to.
It is not quite clear to me where inside the camp the picture was taken.


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Assuming the photo was taken in Birkenau, we think the sector below the one marked Krematorium II is the likeliest location - with the crowd situated between the barracks and the rectangular building at the top.

Or are there too many chimneys?

And the kitchen barrack seems to be unnaturally large when one compares with the size of the people in front of it. There must be at least a thousand prisoners standing in front of it. Maybe the building was elevated from the ground level by a couple of feet?


We're not very good with angles, but we think this effect can be explained by the height from which the photograph was taken.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:22 pm)

Hebden wrote:Assuming the photo was taken in Birkenau, we think the sector below the one marked Krematorium II is the likeliest location - with the crowd situated between the barracks and the rectangular building at the top.

Or are there too many chimneys?


The horizontal long narrow shaped rectangle right below Krema II is a kitchen. Based on your layout sketch it seems to be not possible to see the chimneys of Kremas IV & V if the crowd of people is shown right below the kitchen barrack.

We're not very good with angles, but we think this effect can be explained by the height from which the photograph was taken.


Assuming that the interior height of the barrack is 8ft and the average height of a person is 5' 6" the picture seems to be out of proportion, unless the building is raised off the ground.

The picture seems to be taken from a higher elevation, above the heads of the inmates, and this of course could lead to distortions.
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Postby neugierig » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:27 pm)

Sailor wrote: And the kitchen barrack seems to be unnaturally large....


Good observation, Sailor. The prisoners are getting smaller with distance, yet the windows in the barrack and the building itself looks as if photogaphed by someone standing in front of it. Me thinks it's a paste job. :?

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:40 pm)

Sailor wrote:
Based on your layout sketch it seems to be not possible to see the chimneys of Kremas IV & V if the crowd of people is shown right below the kitchen barrack.


We assume you mean Krema II & III. We agree that the chimneys of both Krema cannot be in shot.

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Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon May 05, 2003 3:16 am)

*ts, ts* friends...who forges a foto with women before a kitchen??? this fotographer looks down to the people, so it looks distortet as sailor says.

hebden...photo was taken in b ii c....
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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon May 05, 2003 3:28 am)

Germania wrote:*ts, ts* friends...who forges a foto with women before a kitchen??? this fotographer looks down to the people, so it looks distortet as sailor says.

hebden...photo was taken in b ii c....


Your reasoning would be helpful.

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon May 05, 2003 7:21 am)

Germania wrote:http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/historia_KL/odcinek_bii_c_ok.html


But where do the chimneys belong to?

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Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon May 05, 2003 8:53 am)

first three chimnys belong to first kitchen, second three chimnys to second kitchen...

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon May 05, 2003 9:16 am)

Germania wrote:first three chimnys belong to first kitchen, second three chimnys to second kitchen...


Roughly how high would you estimate each chimney to be?

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Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon May 05, 2003 9:30 am)

[gerstein mode]the chimnys are about 50 meter high[/gerstein mode] :D ;)

serious,about as high like the kitchen building, dont you think?

the kitchen in auschwitz 1 also had nice chimnys...

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