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Iran Leader Reiterates Holocaust Doubts

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:44 pm)

The Iranians have the momentum and are not letting up. Notice how the media repeats the 'wipe Israel of the map' canard; which is not a literal assertion my the Iranians, but in reference to eliminating 'Israel' as an apartheid, religious judeo-supremacist state where Palestiians are being mass murdered and ethnically clensed from their homeland.

Also notice that actual statement which 'denies' the absurd 'holocau$t' is not shown. Could be the specifics are too daming to the profitable scam.

And as usual, no Iranian comments are allowed in rebut to assertions in the article.

The cat's out of the bag, folks. Get used to it.

also see:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2654

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Iran Leader Reiterates Holocaust Doubts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_ ... ran_israel

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has reiterated his doubt about the Holocaust and called on Muslim nations to take a proactive stand on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, state media reported Tuesday.

The president's comments, published on Iranian state television's Web site, were the second time in a week he has expressed doubt about the Nazi genocide of Jews during World War II. In October, Ahmadinejad also said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

"If the killing of Jews in Europe is true," the Web site quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during a speech at an Islamic conference in Tehran, "and the Zionists are being supported because of this excuse, why should the Palestinian nation pay the price?"

In Israel, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev criticized the remarks.

"The real problem with the repeated statements of the Iranian president is that they correctly represent the mind-set of the Iranian leadership, and they accurately articulate the policies of that extremist regime," he said.

Ahmadinejad also called on the Muslim world to "give up its policy of passivity" in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying the West could not play a neutral role in the issue.

"The West's policy has always been in favor of the Zionist regime and to the detriment of the Islamic world. It can't be a judge or mediator now," Ahmadinejad said, according to the Web site.

Ahmadinejad provoked an angry reaction from the United States, Europe and even Russia, an ally of Iran, when he told reporters in Saudi Arabia on Thursday that Israel should be moved to Europe if the West wants to make up for the Holocaust.

The comment also infuriated the Saudis as it was made on the sidelines of a meeting of the Organization of the Islamic Conference that was dedicated to showing the moderate face of Islam.

Ahmadinejad has been unapologetic about taking Iran on a more openly defiant course, insisting on Iran's right to develop its nuclear program and often using rhetoric reminiscent of the 1980s heyday of the Islamic Revolution.

But he has alienated even some conservative allies in Iran, who fear he is hurting the country's image. Moderate Iranians have called on the ruling Islamic establishment to rein in the president.

Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has ultimate say on all matters, has backed Ahmadinejad's calls for Israel's elimination.

The controversy comes at a sensitive time for Iran, which is under heavy international pressure over its nuclear program. The United States is pressing the International Atomic Energy Agency to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions.

Washington accuses Tehran of seeking to build nuclear weapons. Iran denies this, saying its program is strictly for generating electricity.
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Postby comrade seinfeld » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:56 am)

Hannover wrote:The Iranians have the momentum and are not letting up. Notice how the media repeats the 'wipe Israel of the map' canard; which is not a literal assertion my the Iranians, but in reference to eliminating 'Israel' as an apartheid, religious judeo-supremacist state where Palestiians are being mass murdered and ethnically clensed from their homeland.

Also notice that actual statement which 'denies' the absurd 'holocau$t' is not shown. Could be the specifics are too daming to the profitable scam.

And as usual, no Iranian comments are allowed in rebut to assertions in the article.

The cat's out of the bag, folks. Get used to it.

also see:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2654

- Hannover

Iran Leader Reiterates Holocaust Doubts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_ ... ran_israel

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has reiterated his doubt about the Holocaust and called on Muslim nations to take a proactive stand on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, state media reported Tuesday.

The president's comments, published on Iranian state television's Web site, were the second time in a week he has expressed doubt about the Nazi genocide of Jews during World War II. In October, Ahmadinejad also said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

"If the killing of Jews in Europe is true," the Web site quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during a speech at an Islamic conference in Tehran, "and the Zionists are being supported because of this excuse, why should the Palestinian nation pay the price?"

In Israel, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev criticized the remarks.

"The real problem with the repeated statements of the Iranian president is that they correctly represent the mind-set of the Iranian leadership, and they accurately articulate the policies of that extremist regime," he said.

Ahmadinejad also called on the Muslim world to "give up its policy of passivity" in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying the West could not play a neutral role in the issue.

"The West's policy has always been in favor of the Zionist regime and to the detriment of the Islamic world. It can't be a judge or mediator now," Ahmadinejad said, according to the Web site.

Ahmadinejad provoked an angry reaction from the United States, Europe and even Russia, an ally of Iran, when he told reporters in Saudi Arabia on Thursday that Israel should be moved to Europe if the West wants to make up for the Holocaust.

The comment also infuriated the Saudis as it was made on the sidelines of a meeting of the Organization of the Islamic Conference that was dedicated to showing the moderate face of Islam.

Ahmadinejad has been unapologetic about taking Iran on a more openly defiant course, insisting on Iran's right to develop its nuclear program and often using rhetoric reminiscent of the 1980s heyday of the Islamic Revolution.

But he has alienated even some conservative allies in Iran, who fear he is hurting the country's image. Moderate Iranians have called on the ruling Islamic establishment to rein in the president.

Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has ultimate say on all matters, has backed Ahmadinejad's calls for Israel's elimination.

The controversy comes at a sensitive time for Iran, which is under heavy international pressure over its nuclear program. The United States is pressing the International Atomic Energy Agency to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions.

Washington accuses Tehran of seeking to build nuclear weapons. Iran denies this, saying its program is strictly for generating electricity.


The thing is, however, is whether there is analytical analysis of the "Holocaust" by the Iranians, or are they simply reiterating the points made in this forum and others. It is probably too much to expect there to be any links to English translations, but I do know a computer colleague who is an Iranian (although I don't know his actual political perspective, since I don't want to put him on the spot, but he does take a strong interest in Iranian websites), who perhaps could translate such "Holocaust" information, if there are not Iranian translation tools.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:58 pm)

Here's a bit more specifics. Note the ridiculous remarks by the violence prone Zionist leaders.

Exposing the absurd 'holocau$t' is the best weapon against Zionism the Iranians could ever have.

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.. his latest comments remove any doubt that he also backs revisionist historians, often branded in the West as neo-Nazis, who maintain Nazi Germany's systematic slaughter of an estimated six million Jews between 1933 and 1945 never took place.

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President reiterates that Holocaust is 'myth'
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_ ... 684173B265

Iran's firebrand President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a fresh attack against Israel on Wednesday, dismissing the Holocaust as a "myth" and saying the Jewish state should be moved as far away as Alaska.

And with just a week to go before scheduled talks with the European Union, which is seeking guarantees Tehran will not acquire atomic weapons, the outspoken president vowed Iran would not compromise "one iota" on its nuclear programme.

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," the outspoken right-winger declared in a speech carried live on state television.

"If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream," he said.

Reports have also pointed to the possibility of a pre-emptive military attack against Iran
"Our proposal is this: give a piece of your land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska so they (the Jews) can create their own state."

His comments drew swift condemnation from the European Union and Iran's arch-enemy Israel, already alarmed over Tehran's nuclear ambitions and ballistic missile programme.

Ahmadinejad, a hardcore Islamic revolutionary who won a shock election victory in June, has already sparked international outrage over a string of anti-Israeli outbursts.

In October he said Israel "must be wiped off the map", and last week said Israel was a "tumour" that should be moved to Germany or Austria, comments that were also condemned by the UN Security Council.

But his latest comments remove any doubt that he also backs revisionist historians, often branded in the West as neo-Nazis, who maintain Nazi Germany's systematic slaughter of an estimated six million Jews between 1933 and 1945 never took place.

"Why, under the pretext of this massacre, have you come to the heart of Palestine and the Islamic world ..., why have you created an artificial Zionist regime?" he asked.

In a sharp response, Israeli foreign ministry spokesperson Mark Regev told AFP that Ahmadinejad's comments reflected a "perverse vision of the world held by this regime and underline the danger should such an extremist regime have a nuclear capacity in the future."

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's spokesperson also said menacingly that "thank God, Israel has the means at its disposal to bring about the downfall of this extremist regime in Iran."

"There will be no second 'final solution'," Raanan Gissin said.

Israel has consistently called for international action to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, with its chief of staff Dan Halutz claiming on Tuesday that Tehran would have all the necessary knowledge to build a warhead within three months.

Some Israeli figures and reports have also pointed to the possibility of a pre-emptive military attack against Iran.

The EU condemned Ahmadinejad's remarks.

"They have no place in civilised political debate," Britain's Minister for Europe Douglas Alexander, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, said in Strasbourg to the applause of European parliamentarians.

"These remarks are just quite simply completely unacceptable," fumed the European Commission's spokesperson on external affairs, Emma Udwin. "We feel very strongly that Iran is damaging its own interests."

The EU big-three, Britain, France and Germany, are expected to meet Iranian officials on December 21 in a bid to kick-start stalled diplomacy over Tehran's nuclear drive.

But Ahmadinejad spelled out that Iran was not ready to give in to demands to limit its work on the nuclear fuel cycle, a process the regime insists is only directed to making electricity but which can also be extended to make weapons.

"Be certain that we will not back away one iota from our legitimate nuclear rights," said Ahmadinejad, who was speaking to thousands of people in the southeastern province of Sistan-Baluchestan.

The EU, backed by the United States, is now pinning its hopes for a compromise under which Iran's enrichment work would be carried out in Russia, although this has also been rejected by Tehran.

A failure of the talks could see Iran referred to the Security Council, which has the power to impose sanctions.
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:22 pm)

This is getting big! And just weeks ago, we were feeling with the jailing of Rudolf that we were really down. And now this. And the President is aware of the jailings. He mentioned them.
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:23 pm)

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Postby Markion » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:36 pm)

Maybe this will be it. The breakthrough. But whatwill happen then? This has revolutionary potential. People will start to question everything, from the morale, to democracy, arts and economy.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:59 pm)

But what will happen then?

Truth will be back in vogue and an awakening will occur. Real democracy will at least have a chance.

Exhilerating times indeed.

Revisionism is here, it's not going away, get used to it.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:38 pm)

and:
The world is on the verge of change, and more than before we can hear the sound of this present, unstable order breaking down

- President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... B96A18.htm

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Postby theTRUTH » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:45 pm)

Iran's leader is being attacked with vitriolic words like 'perverse', extremist', and 'unworthy of a civilized people', because the Holocaust-enforcers want to show leaders of other Muslim countries like Egypt, Syria, and Lybia how the media will tar them if they repeat his words, because the enforcers know the 'Holocust myth' story could be repeated by leaders in the dozens of Muslim countries from Indonesia to Turkey.

Who will be the next leader to confront the Holocaust-enforcers?

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Postby simon1003 » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:37 pm)

It's good that revisionism is getting a bit of publicity, but just watch the next few days, the zionist controlled media will go into overdrive on this, Israel have got all the ammunition they need for pre-emptive strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities.

Still, make hay while the sun shines.

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Postby theTRUTH » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:44 pm)

To: Iranian leader
Pssst - if you're invited to speak in Austria, don't go unless you want to spend 10 years at the crowbar hotel.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:47 pm)

Ahmadinejad, who in October said arch-enemy Israel should be "wiped off the map", said last week that if Germany and Austria believed Jews were massacred during the second world war, a state of Israel should be established on their soil.

I completely agree with this. If German and Austrian Politicians, the media and the Judiciary there, totally surrendered to the Holocaust myth and made any skepticism of the Holocaust punishable by law with stiff jail terms, they should be more then willing to give German/Austrian territories to the Jews to form an Israel state. Why should the Palestinians be punished for the alleged Holocaust?

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:28 pm)

Seinfeld:
The thing is, however, is whether there is analytical analysis of the "Holocaust" by the Iranians, or are they simply reiterating the points made in this forum and others.

The Iranians probably got their information about the Holocaust from the same source you and I are using, namely the Internet and books.

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Postby theTRUTH » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:24 pm)

Iranian radio stations have phoned dozens of revisionists during the past 10 years and the interviewers questions show they have studiously studied the subject from internet sites and ordered books. The difference between them and western researchers is they are no afraid to publicly voice their conclusions.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:47 am)

Iranian President still at it.

New York Times, Dec.15, 2005

Irans's President Calrifies His Stand On Holocaust: It's a European Myth

Yup, Mamoud Ahmandinejad has come out and used the 'myth' word.

The article quotes Scott McClellan, White House spokesman as saying the latest outburst by the Iranian President shows even more why Iran should be kept from attaining nuclear weapons.

Germany's foreign minister says it's "shocking and unacceptable" and it will compromise the negotiation process between Europe and Iran.

Irael Foreign minister blusters it's "fanatical ideology", "warped sense of reality" and that combined with nuclear weapons is a danger to the international community.


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