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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:05 pm)

Ah yes, the thoroughly discredited Raoul Hilberg:
see:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=312
According to the Arthur Butz, who took Hilberg's measure a quarter century ago in his magisterial Hoax of the Twentieth Century: "This book has great educational value provided it is studied, rather than read." That's true: a clever sixteen year old who reads Giant will be able to crush Hilberg and flabbergast her instructor.

Ouch!

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:55 pm)

I need to get a lot of books.

I've never seen that table before, it's odd.

Hilberg claims the maximum body count came in 1942? While Birkenau was still under construction? That reduces the whole Auschwitz complex to the status of a poor relative, turning the history upside down, so to speak. He sure gives a lot of credit to the Action Reinhardt camps, the most poorly documented of them all.

How could Neuffer know that total? According to the standard story, the Action Reinhardt camps weren't even run by the SS, they were supposedly run by a secret unit made up of policemen disgused in SS uniforms attached to the Reich Chancellery, which took them completely out of the Wermacht and Luftwaffe loop.

Neuffer would have started shipping out to Africa in December of 1942, after the emergency caused by the Battle of El Alamain, which would mean he'd probably have to have had that total before Himmler had it.

How a flak commander would come by such knowledge still escapes me.

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:49 pm)

German officers 'knew of Holocaust'

MURDO MACLEOD


HIGH-ranking German officers knew much more about Adolf Hitler's plans to murder millions of Jews than previously thought, according to newly revealed transcripts of conversations between captured generals.

The transcripts have only recently been made available to researchers...

Neitzel, whose book has been hailed as an important development in studying the war...


LOL, David Irving scores again! It turns out these recordings are actually old news.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/interrogations/index.html

Irving's been using them for decades. Some of the same characters, like Von Choltitz are there. Neitzel gets credit for his "discovery", Irving gets ignored, though he was on top of this game probably before Neitzel was born.

"...hailed as an important development in studying the war...". What a pile of crap. Sorry Neitzel, you were scooped decades ago.

On the other hand, Irving's transcripts DO show that Wermacht and Luftwaffe generals had seen a lot of atrocities, so Neuffer did have access to some info, at least second and third hand, possibly eye-witness.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:57 pm)

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On the other hand, Irving's transcripts DO show that Wermacht and Luftwaffe generals had seen a lot of atrocities, so Neuffer did have access to some info, at least second and third hand, possibly eye-witness.

Why should we believe any of them? I have shown an important sample to be absurd in their contents.
Remember, apply the same scrutiny & logic to ALL claims.

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Postby chammer » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:31 am)

Tom wrote:[Thread title edited for clarification. Moderator1]

ALL Revisionists need to comment on this article NOW!

http://news.scotsman.com/international. ... 2385262005


German officers 'knew of Holocaust'

MURDO MACLEOD


HIGH-ranking German officers knew much more about Adolf Hitler's plans to murder millions of Jews than previously thought, according to newly revealed transcripts of conversations between captured generals.

During the Second World War, British intelligence secretly bugged the cells occupied by some of the most senior German army, navy and air force commanders who had been captured by the Allies.

Last updated: 11-Dec-05 01:48 GMT[/b]



Now this is funny. We don't know the words trhat were originally spoken & used by these officers, but the British are supposed to 'discover' 60 years later statements from high rank oficers who could have been used to support the charge in Nuremberg for what is now considered the most important event in man kind history by the medias but they failed to notice the importance of such claims at that time. So what was the purpose of putting bugs around if they discarded the material they got? These transcipts are probably as much genuine than the 'secret papers from inmates' that the communist pole regime unburried from the Auschwitz camp some 30 years ago.

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Postby chammer » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:03 am)

PLAYWRIGHT wrote:
German officers 'knew of Holocaust'

LOL, David Irving scores again! It turns out these recordings are actually old news.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/interrogations/index.html

Irving's been using them for decades. Some of the same characters, like Von Choltitz are there. Neitzel gets credit for his "discovery", Irving gets ignored, though he was on top of this game probably before Neitzel was born.


Neuffer doesn't claim a figure of '3 million by now' on that site. The way it is presented, the discovery is not that a Lutwaffe general speaks about some killings but '3 million by now'. And such a 'discovery' 60 years later! Neuffer could hardly know such a thing that Goering ignored;

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Postby Tom » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:50 pm)

:idea:

I think the real key to what is being attempted by this article is a shift of responsibility on to the lower level Germans for the Holocaust (that never happened). With the ultimate aim being, sometime in the future, shifting it on to the German people as well. Upping the ante, so to say.

The following quotes from the article indicate this to me:

"contradict the traditional image of senior German officers as having little or no knowledge of the mass-killings."

"Another clue to the Holocaust being common knowledge"

"This is further evidence that knowledge of the atrocities was much more widespread among senior officers than many wanted to admit after the war."

"This is a blow against the sanitised Hollywood image of the German army as a clean army totally removed from the atrocities."

More guilt heaped upon the German people.




Have any here not read "Germany Must Perish" By the Jew Theodore N. Kaufman. 1941?

http://www.codoh.com/germany/GERPERISH.HTML

THIS DYNAMIC VOLUME outlines a comprehensive plan for the extinction of the German nation and the total eradication from the earth, of all her people. Also contained herein is a map illustrating the possible territorial dissection of Germany and the apportionment of her lands.


Ch. 1 - GERMANY MUST PERISH

Today's War is not a war against Adolf Hitler.

Nor is it a war against the Nazis.

It is a war of peoples against peoples; of civilized peoples [Jews] envisioning Light,
against uncivilized barbarians [Germans] who cherish Darkness.


Of the people of those nations who would surge forward hopefully into a
new and better phase of life, pitted against the peoples of a nation who
would travel backward enthusiastically into the dark ages. It is a
struggle between the [white] German nation and humanity [Jews].

This war is being waged by the German People. It is they who are
responsible. It is they who must be made to pay for the war.

For not only must there be no more German wars in fact; there must not
even remain the slightest possibility of one ever occurring.

This does not mean an armed mastery over Germany, or a peace with
political or territorial adjustment, or a hope based on a defeated and
repentant nation. Such settlements are not sufficiently conclusive
guarantees of no more German aggression.

This time Germany has forced a Total War upon the world.

As a result, she (the German People) must be prepared to pay a Total Penalty.
And there is one, And Only One, such total Penalty:

Germany (and all people of German descent)

must perish forever! - In fact --not in fancy!





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