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more opinion on Irving / Zundel imprisonment

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:46 am)

Aside from the usual nonsense that Revisionists have simply shattered, here is more opinion on imprisoning Revisionists for Thought Crimes.

Also, check out the comments section here:
http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/comments/2051/

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Let Ernst Zundel and David Irving Go Home

Press Action
Friday, January 06, 2006
http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/ ... g01062006/

"I am uncomfortable with imprisoning people for speech.”
-Deborah Lipstadt, on historian David Irving

Ernst Zundel and David Irving may be filled with hate, but they should not be treated as criminals. The German and Austrian governments are the ones who have committed outrageous crimes by jailing these men for voicing their opinions about the Holocaust.

Zundel and Irving may be two of the world’s most infamous Holocaust deniers. But they have not initiated physical violence against anyone. They have not ordered others to commit violence.

Instead, Germany has put Zundel on trial for operating the Zundelsite website, which contains statements that the Holocaust is a fiction. It’s illegal in Germany to be a Holocaust denier. In November, Irving was arrested in Austria for two speeches he made in 1989, during which he allegedly claimed there had been no gas chambers at Auschwitz. It’s illegal in Austria to be a Holocaust denier.

The governments of Germany and Austria want to send Zundel and Irving to prison for many years for publicly expressing these beliefs.

Many liberal democracies around the world have passed laws that allow them to fine or imprison people for making public utterances that don’t conform exactly to the official version of the Nazi Holocaust. Canada didn’t like what Zundel said or wrote about the Holocaust. Last spring, Canadian officials shipped Zundel to Germany where they knew he would face prosecution for his speech. Zundel had immigrated to Canada from Germany in 1958 at the age of 19.

Instead of creating free and open societies, the governments involved in the prosecution of Zundel and Irving are carrying on the ignoble traditions of the Nazis by targeting people for their beliefs. Who are the nations confronting Germany, Austria and Canada for their roles in these grave injustices? There are none.

In fact, many are following these nations’ example. In France, Bruno Gollnisch, a professor at Lyon University, deputy leader of the extreme right French party, National Front, and a member of the European parliament, is facing charges before a French court for Holocaust revisionism. The charges relate to comments made in October 2004 suggesting the existence of Nazi gas chambers was “up to historians to decide.”

However obscene one might deem the opinions of Zundel and Irving, their decision to speak their minds does not impinge on the freedom of others. The prosecuting governments, however, have the official capacity to deny people their freedom by rounding them up for the crime of publicly expressing scandalous beliefs. And Germany, Austria and Canada have taken full advantage of this authority.

The Nazis developed a policy of intimidation. The wrong comment overheard by a Nazi official could have dire consequences. Hitler’s police state worked on the rule that if you said nothing, no harm could come to you. If you had doubts about the way Germany was going, you kept them to yourself—or paid the price.

The Nazis practiced an extreme form of totalitarian control. Today’s enforcement of anti-hate speech laws obviously does not compare to what occurred in Nazi Germany. But the control exercised by these modern-day governments is founded on the belief that states have the fundamental right to punish individuals or groups who dare to say what the overwhelming majority of people might believe is preposterous.

In remembrance of the millions of people who died at the hands of the Nazis and their confederates, governments should be exerting less control over their populations, not imprisoning people for expressing their beliefs.
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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:15 am)

Read this one:

seems the krauts have progressed from burning
books to imprisoning their authors.


The correct spelling would be:

The USA and the Jews came along and implemented a political system that "progressed from burning books to imprisoning their authors".

Thank you, Judea!
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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:48 pm)

German top politicians were requested a year ago to come to Israel in order to receive instructions about measures to combat rising anti-semitism and growing revisionism. The Germans followed obediently and subsequently gave their paragraph 130 more teeth.

Who would protest and scream the loudest if Germany or Austria should ever consider to abrogate their anti-Holocaust denial laws, I wonder?

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:07 pm)

First, before one is allowed to say anything of substance about the relevant subject at hand, i.e. Europe imprisoning people for asking uncomfortable questions, one must be careful to pronounce incantatory formulas against evil Nazis. Ridiculous. Unless the magical formuals are repeated, the author invariably fears being accused of sympathizing with the thought criminals sitting in European jails.
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Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:21 pm)

I’ve just sent Deborah Lipstadt’s letter to some of my country’s political “leaders”. I’ll let you know what happens. One must walk very carefully in my country unless one wishes to spend time in the slammer or to be shipped off to Germany or Syria.
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Postby Depth Charge » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:57 pm)

I've heard they didn't pass along his Christmas mail neither. How low are they going to go?

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Postby Gertrud » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:08 pm)

A Danish journal comments on Irving's imprisonment and free speech issues. Here's a French summary contained in today's newsletter Eurotopics, distributed by the Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung (!).

Danemark - Kristeligt Dagblad. Le mois prochain s'ouvrira en Autriche le procès du révisionniste britannique David Irving, qui encourt une peine de dix ans de prison pour avoir nié l'existence de l'holocauste. Le responsable des pages culturelles du journal, Michael Bach Henriksen, estime qu'il serait juste de l'acquitter au nom de la liberté d'expression.
"Les similitudes avec un autre procès qui se déroule actuellement, celui d'Orhan Pamuk en Turquie, sont évidentes. Comme Irving, Pamuk encourt la prison pour des propos jugés interdits par l'Etat - dans son cas, concernant les Arméniens. Officiellement, les Turcs ne se sont rendus coupables d'aucun génocide pendant la première guerre mondiale - dans lequel jusqu'à un million d'Arméniens auraient perdu la vie. Pamuk a mis en doute cette version officielle de l'histoire, estimant qu'il s'agit d'un génocide. Comme Pamuk, Irving a le droit de braver l'historiographie officielle. Peu importe que ses allégations soient erronées et infondées, il a le droit de les exprimer. En jetant les révisionnistes en prison, on fait d'eux des martyrs aux yeux des groupes extrémistes."
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/leder

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:34 pm)

Gertrud,

Please do not assume our readers can read French.
Only lies need to be shielded from debate, truth welcomes it.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:08 am)

The London Time criticizes the arrest of Irving in Austria

We can't deny the deniers
BEN MACINTYRE

Austria's action in locking up David Irving, the extremist historian, is offensive to free speech

Today DAVID IRVING, the infamous and discredited British historian, languishes in an Austrian jail. Just writing that sentence makes me feel happy. The next sentence is much harder to write. He should be released.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 77,00.html

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:43 am)

What a yellow, weaselly piece of journalism...every lying sentence made me want to puke.

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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:41 am)

Macintyre says:

But the vast majority of people know that the Holocaust happened...


I wrote a comment to the comments page:

Macintyre wrote: "But the vast majority of people know that the Holocaust happened..."

Well I'm not one of them!

I know what I have been taught from childhood.

Now I want to examine it as an adult.

Why can't I?


I dont think it got printed.
There was no holocaust.

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Postby grenadier » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:17 pm)

friedrich braun wrote:
What a yellow, weaselly piece of journalism...every lying sentence made me want to puke.


You thought that was a yellow, weaselly piece of journalism, then have a look at this one:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 10,00.html

It begins with a moderate tone but towards the middle reveals the trash it really is. As others on the forum have noticed, it is impressive the medias' effort to reinforce the idea that Irving is a discredited historian who deliberately falsified the historical record.

A few excerpts from this one-sided disgusting piece of propaganda:

The case ultimately exposes a certain irony: A Briton who expresses doubts about the Holocaust is arrested in a country that knows full well that it existed, but spent decades essentially ignoring it. In the past three decades, not a single Nazi war criminal has been sentenced in the Alpine republic, which once styled itself as "Hitler's first victim."

But, like any good Boy Scout, Irving is skilled at setting traps and playing games with the Austrian judiciary and his liberal adversaries -- precisely those who, in the name of freedom of expression, now feel the need to protest the imprisonment of a man whose views they deeply despise. "If you had told me, a few months ago, that I would be demanding David Irving's release one day," says Irving's sharpest critic, Deborah Lipstadt, "I would have called you insane."


This one you gotta love...

Irving's attorney, Elmar Kresbach, a confident and experienced criminal defender who usually represents murderers and Mafia gangs, will highlight his client's naiveté and reformation when he appears before an eleven-member panel of judges on February 20.


Irving is playing a despicable game. The Austrians will make short work of him.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:24 pm)

Irving is playing a despicable game. The Austrians will make short work of him.


A nation were censorship and repression of "thought criminals" is lauded by Media... Comments are superfluous I guess... :(

Hopefully some of these "journalist" Abschaum will be alive the day the Holohoax finally collapses. Boy are they in for a surprise... I wonder how they will like to be the ones despised by the world for a change? :twisted:

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:56 pm)

from:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 10,00.html
His London apartment, which the Sunday Telegraph has called a "one-man Hitler university," is filled with Hitler, Göring and Goebbels monographs which he has published himself and sells from the trunk of his car whenever he speaks in basements and bars.

Well, there's Hitler with the '6,000,000 & gas chambers' and there's Hitler without the laughable '6,000,000 & gas chambers'.
I saw him speak in a posh, luxury hotel conference room to a standing room only crowd of affluent young, middle aged, and elderly. They loved him.
But Kresbach also wants to prevent his egotistical client from using the trial as a soapbox. "He won't be saying much," says Kresbach, leaning back in his chair as if to emphasize his point. "This is an Austrian jury court and not some Holocaust discussion group."

Yep, the 'fix' is in. Any juror who supports Irving will be charged with 'holocaust denial'. What a fraud this all is.

Take note, the elephant in the room that the irrational Believers choose to ignore is Germar Rudolf, imprisoned for Thought Crimes in Germany. His work is devastating to the fraud. It's no wonder they ignore him.

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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:41 pm)

Update on the Holocaust Heresy Trial in Germany
By Ingrid Rimland
Ernst Zundel's trial resumes on February 9. Believe it or not, we now have 6 (!) attorneys on our team - three of our own, and three the German government insists should be added. These German-government paid attorneys will eventually also be paid by us in case of a conviction, which Ernst believes is a foregone conclusion since no meaningful defense is possible. As you have seen in the opening spectacle in November, even attorneys who haven't even had a chance to submit proof of Revisionist findings are already suspected of "being too close" to the defendant and in danger of losing their licence! That's Germany for you today - as many see it today, a colony of Zion, submissively doing its bidding.

Why, then, keep struggling on, you ask?

For the same reason that previous Holocaust trials were fought - to use the courts as a megaphone to get the information to the people. Even with a beholden press, enough of the substance of these Holocaust show trials is seeping out - and more and more people are being informed. These days, even presidents of large, important countries are now speaking out and asking to have the Holocaust claims investigated and verified.

The most promising development, of course, is the announced Iranian Revisionist conference. Today I saw two articles, naturally of a compliant press, that are of interest. I will give you the first few sentences and the link to the rest:

Iran Defends Planned Holocaust Conference / Jan 24 7:30 PM US/Eastern

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI / Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran

Iran on Tuesday defended its plan to organize a conference to examine what it terms the scientific evidence for the Holocaust.

At the United Nations, the Israeli ambassador said the conference plans were proof that Iran was run by an "extreme, fundamentalist, lunatic regime."

The planned conference, which has drawn condemnation from Western leaders, is yet another step in hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's public campaign against Israel.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/24/D8FBCD7O0.html

German official: Keep neo-Nazis from Iran Holocaust conference / By The Associated Press

A senior German security official proposed Wednesday temporarily pulling the passports of neo-Nazis intending to participate in an Iranian conference on the Holocaust.

Guenther Beckstein, the interior minister of Bavaria, suggested that local authorities temporarily revoke the passports of right-wing extremists known to have expressed interest in participating in the conference in an effort to prevent them from traveling.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/674879.html

Also, for newcomers, here is a quick summary why the so-called "Holocaust" is of such paramount importance to the powers that be, and why one sees the extraordinary measures taken by predominant Western states to suppress any skepticism:

“… The Jewish Holocaust is one of the few remaining taboos of western society, on par with incest and paedophilia. Most people will react with very strong feelings ranging from anger to fear, shock and disgust, when exposed to any perceived threat to beliefs relating to the Holocaust. Even discussing its taboo nature causes considerable levels of discomfort. Unbeknown to most people, its continued existence serves a number of powerful interests and comes at a terrible cost to society.

… The taboo quality of the Jewish Holocaust in Western society is being enforced no differently from taboos in Polynesia: failure to comply results in social and economic ruin, incarceration, physical attack, sometimes even loss of life. Believing that the Jewish Holocaust as we know it - as the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of approximately six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its collaborators through the use of gas and other methods - actually occurred, determines whether a person is considered a Nazi and Anti-Semite (in other words utterly evil and a danger to society) or not.

… A political/historical taboo like this wouldn't exist if it didn't serve very powerful interests. The most obvious is support for Israel. Reports of the murder of six million Jews understandably generated considerable sympathy and support for the idea of the foundation of a Jewish state in Palestine and still helps deflecting criticism of Israel's treatment of the Palestine people and its neighbours. Less obvious is the interest of the political left in gaining moral superiority over the political right. And last, but not least, there is the interest of the Allied powers, especially the US and the UK, of justifying their war crimes committed against the German people during World War II. Who worries about the deliberate destruction of 90% of German civilian buildings resulting in the killing of 600,000 civilians when hearing about the gassing of six millions Jews?

… The continued existence of the Holocaust taboo, 60 years after the end of World War II, comes at a terrible price. For one, it makes it virtually impossible for world opinion to hold Israel responsible for its treatment of the Palestine people. Any criticism of Israel's policies is stifled by wholesale claims of Anti-Semitism, implying that the critic is trying to 'finish off' Hitler's job of exterminating the Jewish people. This doesn't necessarily occur intentionally. In many cases it's simply the result of a Holocaust induced paranoia. For two, it makes it easier for the US government to continue its use of aerial bombing against civilians as a means of warfare. The killing of more than 3000-4000 civilians per month in Iraq pre-dominantly through US air strikes wouldn't be possible without the belief in US military and political circles that the killing of civilians in air warfare ('collateral damage') is not a war crime, a belief that has its roots in the unpunished strategic bombing of Germany and Japan during World War II.

… Historical revisionism is not about denying the truth. It's about establishing the truth, regardless of the outcome. The failure of the political left to embrace Holocaust revisionism is depriving it of the potentially most powerful weapon against its political enemies. It should stop fighting against its political enemy of 60 years ago and start using all available means to fight today's battles.”

… [Andrew Winkler is the Editor/Publisher of The Rebel Media Group. He can be contacted on [email protected]]

And, finally, in a letter excerpt to me, I share with you a few thoughts from the man who is credited with starting it all by sending a forensic team to Auschwitz - and found it not what it purported to be. Remember also that Ernst is forbidden by the laws of Germany to refer to the "Holocaust" in any way - except in reverential tones. In the letter below he simply refers to it obliquely or as "the other issue":

“… You had rhetorically asked me in one of your letters why I thought the way I did - and where that knowledge, the overarching comprehension, came from. Here's how my "Weltbild" was built - and continues to evolve.

… I thought I should close off the old year with this review - and what a year it was, with me, in effect, being run out of the North American Continent where I lived and worked for almost half a century! For what? I wonder how many people reflect on that extraordinary move by three states - with a fourth the chief beneficiary, in the short term at least.

… In the long term, my case will work itself through the entrails of world politics. Although publicly my detractors never tired of informing the world that I did not have enough supporters to fill a phone booth, behind the scenes, as the [German] court papers reveal, money and efforts expended prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the most influential and well-connected schemers, movers and shakers, who constitute the real string pullers in world affairs, were concerned enough to suspend their own rules, to violate their constitutional provisions in three countries to take out of circulation one lone artist of pension age! One man against time!

… [Think of] the enormous organizational effort it took over decades to achieve that silencing! I once again appreciated what Francis Parker Yockey pointed out in his epochal book, "Imperium" - little noticed, hardly known - that, in this age, the man of politics, the person working with, or upon, the hearts, minds, and souls of people would be superior to the man of finance, the military, and the judiciary. Yockey ought to have known, having been a gifted lawyer, researcher, and investigator for the Allied War Crimes Commission in Europe. He investigated and interviewed the "hated", just defeated elite of Europe. That's how he came to his sensational knowledge and insights, which he condensed in this sweeping overview of the situation of the West and its endangered culture.

… Francis Parker Yockey suffered a fate very similar to my own, with one difference: He did not have my knack for getting the news catapulted into the public arena. He worked away quietly in that monastery in Ireland, writing his books and appeals, which were noted only by his enemies, whom he had identified as the real Enemy of Europe.

… I was very fortunate to be handed the two volumes of "Imperium" given to Mr. Arcand, [a nationalist Canadian leader of a Party] by Yockey in the late '50s when he stayed with Mr. Arcand for long talks, long walks, and played the most glorious music on Mr. Arcand's piano for hours.

… My teacher was no slouch, Ingrid! Mr. Arcand was for many years the culture and music editor and critic of La Presse in Montreal. La Presse was the largest circulation French language newspapar outside Paris. Life Magazine devoted a large photo-illustrated section to him because he attracted 5,000 people at La Guardia Airport in New York during an American speaking [tour] about 1937. The papers referred to him as the Eagle of the North. Through making available to me his library, and walking me through history, culture, religion, and political ideology, he saved me decades of going down dead ends and false trails. Thank God!

… Ingrid, I think that early schooling laid the solid foundations and supplied the important criteria and filters - the methodology that has served me ever after. Served me well, as you know!

… Mr. Arcand was to me what Socrates was to Plato. He was to me the proverbial master who appeared because the pupil was ready. I don't know if Mr. Arcand was even aware of it or if it was just a natural trait with him. He obviously spotted in me, the young, artistically inclined peasant boy, a kind of unspoiled talent. We complemented one another, as odd as it seems at first glance - he, of the well-educated, aristocratic French-Canadian landed gentry, and I, an inquisitive young man. It was a magic time for me and left in me a memory which deeply embedded itself within me. This almost sleepwalker-like knowledge, soaked up like a sponge, already condensed in Mr. Arcand's life experience, was stripped by me of the parochial overtones which clouded it, since Mr. Arcand was naturally a firm Catholic Conservative believer, as was the Zeitgeist in French-Canada at the time.

… The rest was, of course, organizationally difficult to achieve, the pursuit was costly, but the outcome was predictable and predestined. Ingrid, logic - like mathematics or music or medicine - has its very own rules and laws, as firm and immutable as Newton's laws of gravity.

… It is, of course, easy to write this down in this condensed form after years of reflection and the actual hands-on role I played in bringing it about. And here comes the karmic/cosmic role of the Enemies of Truth: Their assaults, attacks, shrill criticism of my activities kept me focused far more than if they had simply ignored me. But no - Sabina [Citron, president of the Canadian Holocaust Remembrance Association] and her coterie of haters saw to it that I had simply no choice but to increase my efforts, hone my skills, and study, research, network, ask for advice, contact Dr. Lindsay, Arthur Butz, Mark Weber, Robert Faurisson - and eventually, in a roundabout way, Fred Leuchter. Had it not been for [my detractors'] intense ethnic hatred, had they left me alone, Ingrid, never would I have so concentrated on the solution to these problems. The trials were the outcome. The massive publicity, negative or not, put that topic on the map and into the consciousness of hundreds of millions scattered all over the world.

… Fate and my enemies cast me in the role of this Don Quixote, tilting at windmills in this macabre bean-counting exercise, which I hated from the outset. Ingrid, I shied away from this issue for a decade because I had a far more positive, forward-looking vision of the world, which could only be realized via the political arena. That's why that was my decade of learning in the 1960s - of learning the use of the tools I would need for that life, learning English, French, testing my speaking skills - and, yes, learning the art of salesmanship. Salesmanship permeates all of human life - even courtship is salesmanship, if properly analyzed. So is politics. I knew that from Day One.

… The 1960s were my decade of self-teaching. Mr. Arcand was a one-man university with a vast storehouse of knowledge. [Over time], I drifted of necessity into other fields because the Canadians denied me citizenship, which abruptly slammed the doors shut on what even news media people had thought was a promising career in the political arena at the time of my election campaigns. I was content to leave the other issue to the historians. However, it became evident that these men of little intellectual courage were not going to come to the defense of not only my own German people but of Western civilization as a whole.

… I decided that the streets could shame the Ivory Tower dwellers into dealing with the topic - and proceeded to do just that. At least I attempted to do it, and won some over with my own research results and my pin pricks of pointed poking, prodding, cajoling. That part ended in the trials, which were my way of public education, using the courtroom as the auditorium for my experts.

… It worked. The rest is history.

… That's when the administrative harassment started - mail denial, snooping, customs, postal seizures, passport and travel restrictions! When that did not stop the dissemination of information, next came beatings, arrests, bombs and other assassination attempts. The judicial persecution was only part and parcel of that, but even German and Canadian courts were then still independent enough to deliver stunning victories. They made it clear to my enemies that the courts were not willing to do their bidding so easily.

… When the Supreme Court ruled in my favor, my detractors were so shocked that I had a brief respite. Only afterwards came the mass demonstrations, the arson, and the parcel bomb.

… I survived.

… My enemies realized in the decade of the 1980s that I was not the clown and buffoon - what Alan Borovoy [Jewish Counsel to the Canadian version of the ACLU] called "a peripheral non-entity with not enough support to fill a phone booth." They realized what they had on their hands was a street-wise, organized peasant who had learned a few things that the trials had forced upon me - their efforts were not going to be cake walks. All their deprecating insults heaved upon me for the last decades were not going to make that debate go away. The genie was out of the bottle.

… That's when they decided to go the legislative route and change the goal posts by introducing ever more repressive laws. The Human Rights abuses via their own institutions were meant to finish what the fire and the bomb had not achieved. Infiltration was also stepped up - Bristow and the likes arrived.

… The rest you know - and you and I had a few years of heaven and contentment. And then they came for me. In America.

… That it would come to that [after that] fateful-for-us [9/11] September day was clear to me - if not yet to you. The arrest, the deportation - a camouflaged rendition into the hands of my deadly enemies - was the beginning of the slamming of the door [for them] as it was to my political ambitions earlier on. Thanks to the protracted legal struggle, the hard reality has been temporarily obscured and is not yet comprehended by the uninitiated in the cabbalistic machinations of these people.

… Machiavelli was a boy scout compared to the millennia of deviousness, deception, steered corruption and infiltration these people could fall back on. Remember the study by the U.S. War College published during the week of those tragic events of September '01? The report was leaked the Washington insiders' way of alerting the public to problems and dangers suppressed by the ruling oligarchy. It fingered only one nation that could initiate something [like 9/11] and then blame it on others. Ingrid, these experts KNEW even then!”
There was no holocaust.



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