Were at least 575 Auschwitz prisoners gassed?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun May 04, 2003 12:59 pm)

Germania posted:
Q: Where was that carbon monoxide obtained, by what process?

A: It was in a compressed gas container, like a steel oxygen container, such as is used for welding - a hollow steel container.


That is patently absurd. There has never been a CO tank found or demonstrated to have been used to gas people, it simply is preposterous.
I can just imagine that the Germans went to all this trouble of putting CO in welding tanks just to kill people. Bizarre at best, laughable is more like it. Undoubtedly the silly 'gas vans' are next.
I notice there are no cross examination records ofcourse, and no physical evidence presented. More like a show trial to me.

I guess I will have to post alien/UFO abduction statements here...I mean afterall, if someone says something it must be true.

The letter from Himmler says nothing of gassing, it does talk about a grey car, big deal....more "code words" I suppose.

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun May 04, 2003 5:37 pm)

Germania, this is getting tiresome.
Your posting of irrelvant materials which are not part of this topic are a distraction. In this last case I deleted your post of an alleged document which supposedly talks about the alleged 'gas vans', not your alleged euthanasia gassings.
If you want to talk about the alleged 'gas vans' then do so. There are existing threads here at the Forum which deal with that topic, but feel free to start a 'gas vans' thread anew if you want. I'm sure our members would welcome that debate again.
I am not going to permit unrelated clutter within threads, please re-read the guidelines. Get with the program, stay on topic.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun May 04, 2003 11:34 pm)

Germania wrote:sailor, i fear your witchtrial comparison is even less then not justified. we are not talking about fantasy, but about something that can occur and occured, saddam gassed his kurds and americans have gaschambers. we are not talking about the middle age, but about constitutonal criminal procedings!!!


I don’t believe that the various German Holocaust trials will be very useful for the future historians, say in 100 or 200 years.
History is written differently. Not by lawyers. Does the name of the German historian Leopold von Renk mean anything to you? He set a couple of hundred years ago the standard for historic research in Germany.

And the German trials may have very well been politically/economically motivated and the defence may, no, must have been first of all interested to get their clients off the hook, or the least penalty. Regardless of what really happened.

I am not a lawyer and don’t want to get on slippery ice here.

Lets go back to the euthanasia gassings.

It seems that we don’t know the full testimony of the nurse P. Kneissler who said

»In the beginning the euthanasia was done by gassing«.

How do we know that in the sixties when she said this, that she was not influenced by the stories of the alleged homicidal gassings in Auschwitz? Or that her defence lawyer influenced her to say something like that?

You quote a statement by an “euthanasia doctor” during a trial in Frankfurt in 1961. You apparently have great confidence in the present German legal system. Maybe you are even a legal professional there yourself.

Could the doctors have used carbon-monoxide for euthanasia? Of course they could. Some people commit suicide with that stuff.

Did they actually use gas for euthanasia? I don’t know this. Well, if CO works so fine then why switch over to drugs and injections? Any idea?

That they had in Auschwitz with a total of about a million inmates a certain number of incurably mentally or physically sick stands to reason. And that they did euthanasia on some of them, I have no doubt about that.
Apparently the euthanasia of Auschwitz prisoners was not done in Auschwitz proper.

Hebden/Czech, first post:
… Following Dr. Schumman's orders, the transport is sent to Sonnerstein under the direction of Roll Call Leader Franz Hossler. A report to Hoss that Hossler makes after his return states that the prisoners were gassed in a bathroom where carbon monoxide gas was introduced through the showerheads.


Has anyone seen a copy of this report? Or was it made verbally? That concept of the shower heads seems rather silly to me.
I don’t think that these people were gassed, but probably killed by injection. D. Czech I think used the gassing idea in order to “support” the alleged homicidal gassings in the Auschwitz camp. But if we could take a look at the report, that may change our thinking.
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