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It's all true!!!! The Fuhrer comments on the Holocaust

Postby Markion » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:18 am)

Strange, but I posted it yesterday, but it did not appear. Please delete thred if it is double...

Now, here the sensation. What Hitler has to say about the story
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From: Mein Kampf, p. 97, english translation by James Murphy, Hurst and Blacktt LTD, 1939

All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility: because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily: and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie rather than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come to their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been naid down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this worl and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.

From time immemorial however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founde on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? [...] Schopenhauer called the Jew: „The Great Master of Lies”. Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth prevail.


The original context refers to the WW I and who is to blame for it.
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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:27 am)

Hitler:
It would never come to their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.


That's the thing that makes 'The bigger the lie the more people will believe in it' so effective.

People tell themselves, subliminally at least, that no one would make up such a thing simple because of its magnitude.

That's what all the museums are about. That's why we see it so often in the medias. Keep on pushing the big lie to higher and higher extremes.

People are to think, 'No, no, it's all too big, it couldn't be a lie.'

Then too, people are reluctant to reconsider because they fear, subliminally at least, that if such a thing can be a lie, what else do they believe in could be false?

The average mind likes certainty. For most, the truth is a terrible thing.

Ignorance and blind acceptance is a powerful force. People will fight to the death to defend it.

The problem for revisionists, and any other people fighting for truth is a vastly distributed human nature to believe in myths - a genetic trait.

The human mind evolved believing in mythologies and it's only a matter of time before the gene itself is discovered.

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Postby kk » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:46 pm)

That's incredible!

Markion, you have just persuaded me to read "Mein Kampf"!

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:37 am)

What I would find even more interesting is his comments on the holocaust that we're talking about here at revforum. I've never heard of any archive of Nazi government press releases. Similar to the United States State Department Press releases.

It's hard to find any commentary that Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels or anyone else said once the war started. Or maybe I'm not looking in the right place. I'd have no idea where to look. I'm sure they had plenty to say before the war was over.

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Postby Markion » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:45 am)

That would interest mee too. By the way, i just recently read Mein Kampf in English, because its almost impossible for me to get it in German, and the picture I get from this book is so much different from what it supposedly, according to teachers and professors and Mr. Know-it-alls is.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:35 am)

That quote you gave was pretty insightful to the hoax.

I'd try to find a copy in German if you can. I looked at two English translations side by side once, and saw that both were missing things. To get the true meaning I had to read a paragraph from one translation, then the same paragraph from the other translation. This gave me a very different understanding than had I read just the one translation, and made me wish I could speak German to read the original.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:27 pm)

The more I thought about it, the more I realized how amazing this was: the man who bears the brunt of this myth, completely elaborated about the potential for a giant myth, 20 years earlier.

This is amazing.

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Postby Reinhard » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:52 pm)

Markion wrote:That would interest me, too. By the way, I just recently read Mein Kampf in English, because it's almost impossible for me to get it in German, and the picture I get from this book is so much different from what it supposedly, according to teachers and professors and Mr. Know-it-alls is.


Here is the passage in German:

"Es gehörte aber die ganze bodenlose Verlogenheit des Judentums und seiner marxistischen Kampforganisation dazu, die Schuld am Zusammenbruche gerade dem Manne aufzubürden, der als einziger mit übermenschlicher Willens- und Tatkraft versuchte, die von ihm vorausgesehene Katastrophe zu verhüten und der Nation die Zeit der tiefsten Erniedrigung und Schmach zu ersparen. Indem man Ludendorff zum Schuldigen am Verluste des Weltkrieges stempelte, nahm man dem einzigen gefährlichen Ankläger, der gegen die Verräter des Vaterlandes aufzustehen vermochte, die Waffen des moralischen Rechtes aus der Hand. Man ging dabei von dem sehr richtigen Grundsatze aus, daß in der Größe der Lüge immer ein gewisser Faktor des Geglaubtwerdens liegt, da die breite Masse eines Volkes im tiefsten Grunde ihres Herzens leichter verdorben als bewußt und absichtlich schlecht sein wird, mithin bei der primitiven Einfalt ihres Gemütes einer großen Lüge leichter zum Opfer fällt als einer kleinen, da sie selber ja wohl manchmal im kleinen lügt, jedoch vor zu großen Lügen sich doch zu sehr schämen würde. Eine solche Unwahrheit wird ihr gar nicht in den Kopf kommen, und sie wird an die Möglichkeit einer so ungeheuren Frechheit der infamsten Verdrehung auch bei anderen nicht glauben können, ja selbst bei Aufklärung darüber noch lange zweifeln und schwanken und wenigstens irgendeine Ursache doch noch als wahr annehmen; daher denn auch von der frechsten Lüge immer noch etwas übrig und hängen bleiben wird - eine Tatsache, die alle großen Lügenkünstler und Lügenvereine dieser Welt nur zu genau kennen und deshalb auch niederträchtig zu Anwendung bringen.
Die besten Kenner aber dieser Wahrheit über die Möglichkeiten der Anwendung von Unwahrheit und Verleumdung waren zu allen Zeiten die Juden; ist doch ihr ganzes Dasein schon auf einer einzigen großen Lüge aufgebaut, nämlich der, daß es sich bei ihnen um eine Religionsgenossenschaft handle, während es sich um eine Rasse - und zwar was für eine - dreht. Als solche aber hat sie einer der größten Geister der Menschheit für immer festgenagelt in einem ewig richtigen Satze von fundamentaler Wahrheit: er nannte sie die 'großen Meister der Lüge'. Wer dieses nicht erkennt oder nicht glauben will, der wird nimmermehr auf dieser Welt der Wahrheit zum Siege zu verhelfen vermögen."
[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Zentralverlag der NSDAP., Franz Eher Nachf. GmbH, München o.J., 800.-804.Aufl., Bd. 1, S. 252/253]

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Postby J William » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:42 am)

An interesting copy of Mein Kampf was published by the Book-of-the -Month- Club in 1939. It is represented as a complete and unabridged, fully annotated translation with many footnotes to "tell the reader what Hitler really meant". The not so subtle first part of the book suceeded in its desired effect, it made my mother-in-law into a Germanophobe. The sponsors' names speak for themselves and the 11 page "review" by Dorothy Thompson corrupts almost any person that struggles through,and believe me, it was difficult reading, the rest of the book. This edition was a good example of character-assassination. As for the annotations, every one knows that it is dangerous for people to decide what a person's words mean, we need some pundit to tell us what is in a writer's mind as the reader is too stupid to interpet it himself(either that or it is too dangerous to let people think for themselves). I have attached the front pages and page one of Dorothy Thompson's review. Try googling Dorothy Thompson to see where she is coming from.

THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS AS A
COMMITTEE SPONSOR THE PUBLICATION
OF THIS ANNOTATED AND UNEX-
PURGATED EDITION OF MEIN KAMPF
PEARL BUCK
DOROTHY CANFIELD
EDNA ST. VINCENT MILLAY
IDA TARBELL
CYRUS ADLER
CHARLES A. BEARD
NICHOLAS MURRAY BUTLER
THEODORE DREISER
ALBERT EINSTEIN
MORRIS ERNST
REV. JOHN HAYNES HOLMES
JAMES M. LANDIS
THOMAS MANN
BISHOP WILLIAM T. MANNING
EUGENE O'NEILL
THEODORE ROOSEVELT, JR.
MONSIGNOR JOHN A. RYAN
NORMAN THOMAS
WALTER WHITE
WILLIAM ALIEN WHITE
REV. HARRY EMERSON FOSDICK
RABBI STEPHEN S. WISE
NOTE TO THIS SPECIAL EDITION
PERHAPS neither the two publishing firms involved nor
the editorial committee responsible for this book, nor even
its distinguished sponsors, could with propriety make any refer-
ence to the simple significance of their action in providing this
unexpurgated and annotated edition for American readers; as its
mere distributors to a special group of readers, we can do so.
Adolf Hitler has not wanted MEIN KAMPF to be published,
complete, outside of Germany. It is not impossible, a psycholo-
gist has observed, that he is subconsciously ashamed of the dis-
torted psychopathic self-portrait he provides, realizing that it
would be appraised abroad with somewhat more detachment
than by Germans; or it may be that he has been guided purely
by political considerations. Who can tell? But it remains a fact
that he and the Nazi party have done everything within their
power to keep the full contents of this bible of Nazism, MEIN
KAMPF, away from the eyes of other peoples.
Scrupulously within the ancient rules of law which he de-
spises, Hitler's full book none the less is published here for the
political understanding of the American people. Moreover, it
is the initiative of plain individuals, untouched by even a trace
of pressure from government, which throws down this gage to
the new barbarism; their very deed is an affirmation of the
instinctive and undying opposition of a free people to any
restraint upon their liberty of thought, which is the very essence
of democracy, and which the Hitlerian ideology itself would
extirpate from human life; but first, as Hitler indicates in his
book, poisoning it by a propaganda which itself could hardly
be more contemptuous of human intelligence and dignity. It is
a demonstration, by quiet deed, of the truest spirit of democracy,
to combat this new form of evil among men by first dragging
it forth to the full light where it can be coolly appraised. This,
it seems, is the dear significance of the publication in this
country of an unexpurgated edition of MEIN KAMPF; it may
be too easy for all of us to overlook this; perhaps because it
seems so natural that it should be done in our country.
Perhaps the most active person among those who have been
seeking to awaken Americans to the full menace of Hitlerism—
to all that we hold dear in both democracy and religion—is
Dorothy Thompson. Her appraisal of MEIN KAMPF, as pub-
lished in the New York Herald Tribune, is so clarifying a
document to those who may wish to read and fully understand
the book, that by permission it is reprinted here.
BOOK-OF-THE-MONTH CLUB


A REVIEW OF MEIN KAMPF
BY DOROTHY THOMPSON
AMERICANS can now read the text of the book that has
shaken Western civilization. The reader will find the
English writing rhetorical, turbid, and digressive, and the text
disorganized. Do not, however, criticize the translators. Hit-
ler's first battle was with the German language, and this fight
at least he has never won. Let it be said that if the world is
overthrown by this document and the man behind it, it is
overthrown without benefit of grammar or literary style.
I do not mean to quibble, but I do not find this unimpor-
tant. The epochal political documents of history, from Plato's
Republic, through Caesar and Qcero, including the great
political literature of the high middle ages and that of the
eighteenth and nineteenth centuries-Voltaire and Montes-
quieu, Jefferson and the writers of The Federalist, Adam
Smith and John Stuart Mill-that great body of political
writing which has left a permanent mark on history, has com-
bined philosophical content with lucid and elegant form.
But this curious mixture of Austrian pan-Germanism, pe-
culiar personal psychoses, description of revolutionary tactics,
amorphous concepts of the stare, volubly expressed, does not
contain a line of intellectual or spiritual grandeur. Even the
fire of hate never burns dear and blue as it does in great
polemic.
Hitler had to conquer Germany to compel even Nazis to
read this book. Now, of course, it is the German Bible, run-
ning dose to the annual circulation of the Holy Scriptures-
but there are plenty of high ranking offidals of the German
government who have never gotten past the first two chap-

The other ten pages of the review will be posted if requested.

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Postby AnonPoster » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:43 pm)

Markion wrote: All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility: because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily: and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie rather than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come to their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been naid down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this worl and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.

From time immemorial however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founde on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? [...] Schopenhauer called the Jew: „The Great Master of Lies”. Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth prevail.


Is there anything like this (a quote that states "people will believe obvious lies because they can't conceive of the lie") by someone else? Maybe more famous politicians or people other than Hitler?

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Postby Reinhard » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:26 pm)

AnonPoster wrote:Is there anything like this (a quote that states "people will believe obvious lies because they can't conceive of the lie") by someone else? Maybe more famous politicians or people other than Hitler?


It is known that Hitler read the book of the French sociologist Gustave Le Bon (1841-1931) "Psychologie der Massen" (French original title: "La Psychologie des foules", engl. "The Crowd. Study of the popular Mind") probably during his time in Vienna before World War I, as Prof. Werner Maser writes in his Hitler-biography [Werner Maser, "Adolf Hitler. Legende, Mythos, Wirklichkeit", Bechtle, Esslingen 1989, p. 188/189].

Maser also believes that Hitler read the book of the british psychologist William McDougall (1871-1938) "The Group Mind. A Sketch of the Principles of collective Psychology" (Cambridge 1920).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Le_Bon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McDougall_%28psychologist%29
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9047458

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Postby Tom » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:58 pm)

Markion wrote:
read Mein Kamp
Download it at http://www.solargeneral.com


Markion,

Thanks for the great link. What an interesting and comprehensive
library Solar General has - one of the best I have seen. I will be
busy downloading for days! Reading it will take longer I fear.

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Postby Reinhard » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:57 am)

David Irving points at another prophetic passage (concernig the purpose of the state the Jews intended to establish in Palestine) in Hitler's "Mein Kampf" (also in English translation) on his webiste:
http://fpp.co.uk/Hitler/MeinKampf/Palestine_prophesy_dt.html

Concerning the intended Jewish state in Palestine, the editor of the German left-wing newsmagazine "DER SPIEGEL", Rudolf Augstein, made an interesting remark in No.33/1996 (August 12, 1996, p. 47) of his magazine. He cites Legationsrat Franz Rademacher, a high official in the German Foreign Ministry resposible for Jewish affairs who plays also a role in the strange "Wannsee-Protokoll".
After the victory over France 1940/41 Germany intended to demand the island of Madagascar from France in the peace treaty in order to settle the European Jews there.
Already in December 1938, after the "Reichskristallnacht" of Nov 9th, French foreign minister Georges Bonnet had negotiated with his German counterpart, Joachim von Ribbentrop, whether 10.000 Jews could be settled there. Göring supported this proposal.
Rademacher wrote in a memorandum after the victory over France, that "it has to be prevented that the Jews are going to found their own 'Vatican state' in Palestine and make use of the symbolic value of Jerusalem". Augstein calls him "a prophetic specialist" for his analysis ("Franz Rademacher, der Judenreferent Ribbentrops, wies darauf hin, man müsse doch verhindern, daß die Juden sich in Palästina ihren eigenen 'Vatikanstaat' gründeten und sich den symbolischen Wert Jerusalems zunutze machten; ein prophetischer Spezialist also."

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:18 pm)

Excuse me, but what's the subject of this Forum? What's the title of this thread?
Show a connection in your posts.

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Postby Markion » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:16 pm)

The purpose of this post was to show our forum readers the psychological trick of "the greater the lie, the more people tend to believe it" - in the words of Hitler. I dont see why this should not be posted.

I dont claim it was Hitler´s own idea, but he was the first to conect this pinciple to international Zionism.
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