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Belzec: a fraudulent excavation

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:37 am)

This is a follow up to: 'Belzec: a fraudulent excavation', see link at bottom.

In the course of debating the bizarre allegations made about Belzec, I was referred to a source for the "complete report" on an alleged excavation of the Belzec camp where 600,000 - 800,000 Jews were allegedly murdered. The source given, which I now have, is Robin O'Neill, Belzec: The Forgotten Death Camp, the 'East European Jewish Affairs', v. 28, no.2, 1998/9, p.49-62. Here are the highlights:

- 2 alleged 'core samples'..hand drawn, not photographs...there are no photos showing what the drawing attempts to depict, why no photos?

- a photo of a piece of plastic with a star of David printed on it, sitting on some grass....so what?

- a photo of a human skull and a few bones strewn across a modern, paved surface...laughable, something from a high school theatre props cabinet that were simply placed there

- a photo of 4 spoons, a bottle, a comb.....polished & glistening in the sun, so what?

- a post WWII drawing that is supposed to be the 'gas chamber'....for which there is no credible evidence

- a list of things allegedly found: beer bottles, buttons, pieces of glass, etc., referred to as "very interesting"....boring actually and nothing you couldn't find in the average backyard

- reference to a Luftwaffe photo of 1944...not shown, ofcourse

- reference to the Communist 'Main Commission for the Investigation of Crimes Against the Polish Nation/Institute of National Memory, Warsaw....no actual study by this alleged commission shown, just given as alleged "source material", why do they hide it?

- reference to an alleged map prepared by the 'Lublin Region Surveyor's office in Zamocs'....alleged map not shown, ofcourse

- two maps alleging positions of "mass graves"....no photos of alleged mass graves shown, no verifiability of these maps possible, the usual

- claims of over 1700 'bore holes'....not one shown

Some assertions made in this 'report':

- gassed Jews were later exhumed and cremated at the rate of 2,000 per day....but no physical evidence exists to support that assertion, those Germans soldiers were magicians I suppose

- only one Jew survived, Chaim Herszman, the other 299 of the final labor crew used for removing all the traces were sent to Sobibor and shot on arrival....no evidence for that given, a mere assertion, typical

- the exhumation and cremation process took place between November, 1942 and March, 1943, all traces obliterated.... how convenient, but impossible

- stated: 'corpses not exhumed and burnt may have been the result of mass panic with insufficient time to destroy all evidence'....wrong, the Germans had plenty of advance notice of the approaching Red Army; so then show us the evidence to match the story

- the alleged "gas chambers" utilized Russian T-34 diesel tank engines, gas piped from each engine into "chambers" ....utterly absurd given the nature of diesel emissions and the desperate need for fuel at the front

- Kurt Gerstein is cited as an important provider of evidence, as is Chaim Hirszman, and Rudolf Reder....Gerstein has been shown to have made SIX different, highly conflicting 'confessions' with scientific impossibilities and absurdities galore, they don't mention that...the others do no better

Other than that we have text claiming sizes of the graves, alleged amounts of bodies, various location claims etc....but nothing in the way of verification, no photos of remains 'in situ', no photos of people at the site, nothing. The Belzec story remains a lie.

And this is what passes for 'holocaust evidence'

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:12 pm)

I have just acquired a complete copy of:

'Belzec - the Nazi camp for Jews in the light of Archaeological Sources', by Andrzej Kola.

Apparently this was the actual source for the journal article above that I dissected.

Revisionist, Tom Moran now has a copy as well, so between the two of us you will soon see the mother of all phoney archaeological digs exposed further.

Debunking this nonsense really isn't that difficult. Overcoming religion, wishful thinking, and superstition are all together different matters.

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Postby Independent Thinker » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 1:33 pm)

Hannover wrote:I have just acquired a complete copy of:

'Belzec - the Nazi camp for Jews in the light of Archaeological Sources', by Andrzej Kola.


That's good. Any way you can scan it in so that the forum may read it?

With all due respect for the quality of your assessment, other Revisionists may want to read the document themselves and make up their own minds about it.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Feb 13, 2003 1:53 pm)

The critique from Moran is forthcoming. It's incumbent upon you to refute it.

It's revealing that the Believers have not scanned it themselves.
Why is that? You'll find out why soon. :wink:

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:16 pm)

Independent thinker wonders:
That's good. Any way you can scan it in so that the forum may read it?

With all due respect for the quality of your assessment, other Revisionists may want to read the document themselves and make up their own minds about it.

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As far as I know the only place this book exists is in the Library of Congress. It's possible that it could be available from the 'U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum'.

Scanning the whole thing and pasting it up in public could incite some roars about copywrite. Who knows, revisionist opponents out here could even 'squeal' on its appearance to the author and publisher.

It's not something the publishers and author would really want going around. It's obviously something that would raise eyebrows for the professional. It's hard to understand why they would have caused its creation in the first place since it makes the scam so very absolute.

Going by the copy in the book along with other Belzek 'details' the Germans killed 600,000 J-ws and buried them directly in the ground. Then sometime while the Germans were still in control of the area Polish civilians went in and totally excavated the hillside looking for treasures. The Germans discovered the plundering and proceded to dig up all the remains and cremate them and then buried it all. Some tens of thousands of bodies were left uncremated. Then after the Germans were driven out and the war was over the Polish citizens went in again and totally dug up all the pits still looking for gold and jewels. Then in Oct. 1945 the Polish and Russians did a 3 day investigation of the dug up site and the only results that we can find out about this investigation are a few scant references to one or two survivors.

Fact is if the Polish government or anyone else wanted to show the world that all they have on Belzek is true is to allow an independent investigation with skeptics and believers standing by as a backhoe dug a few trenches here and there. The whole thing wouldn't take but a few hours.

The ultimate denial would be the Holocaust community telling you straight to your face that they couldn't allow any excavations because it would defy J-wish burial laws.

Regardless of that the summary conclusion would be that we have the challenge 'Lets see the proof' and the Holocaust community saying 'No.'

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Postby Malle » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:14 am)

To order the book 'Belzec - the Nazi camp for Jews in the light of Archaeological Sources', by Andrzej Kola go to http://www.kubon-sagner.de/buch/lager/130_930.html? And scroll down to:

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KOLA, A.: Belzec - the Nazi Camp for Jews in the Light of Archaeological Sources. Biblioteka "Przeszlosci i Pamieci". Excavations 1997-1999.
Wa.-Waszyngton, MakPrint, 2000. ISBN 83-905590-6-4. Br., 84 S., s/w u.Farbabb. , 18,00 Euro
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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:32 pm)

Malle rooted out:
To order the book 'Belzec - the Nazi camp for Jews in the light of Archaeological Sources', by Andrzej Kola go to http://www.kubon-sagner.de/buch/lager/130_930.html? And scroll down to:

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KOLA, A.: Belzec - the Nazi Camp for Jews in the Light of Archaeological Sources. Biblioteka "Przeszlosci i Pamieci". Excavations 1997-1999.
Wa.-Waszyngton, MakPrint, 2000. ISBN 83-905590-6-4. Br., 84 S., s/w u.Farbabb. , 18,00 Euro
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I sent off a note of inquiry about the book and how to go about getting one and I'll wait to see what happens. All I have is a full photocopy of the book but I would like to have an actual copy.

If you have the info let us know. Also I would prefer to pay by US Postal money order not liking to sling my credit card number around so if there's an address maybe you could include it.

Could be the US Holocaust Memorial Museum has it.

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Postby Malle » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:36 am)

Tom,

I did likewise. I will post the response in this forum.

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Sailor, check the above :D
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:13 am)

I saw that David was inquiring about an alleged study of Belzec; have a look David.

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:50 am)

Did anyone get actually any original book until now?!

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:55 am)

Did anyone get actually any original book until now?!

I have a copy.
I keep it with my comic books. :lol:

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Postby vincentferrer » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:53 am)

Congratulations for finding and sharing this.

Although Belzec and the other three so called death camps are lesser known than the Twin Towers or Twin Towns of death, Auschwitz and Treblinka, it is still a great tool and resource to pitchfork those camp claims over the fence.

After reading "Lectures on the Holocaust", I realized there are probably 300-400 clear proofs listed that the Holocaust is a lie.

There are so many in Germar's book it is incredible.

( As a a side point, one friend I sent a copy to, who was undecided on the hoax, called me after reading only 30 pages and was shocked at the facts Germar reveals which prove the Holocaust is a hoax.

It costs me $27 for the book, but I also converted a Catholic high school teacher who is respected by peers and very well connected socially and politically. This teacher has two high school aged children, (and more younger children ) and has already taught them the truth of the hoax. One by one friends of this teacher are also learning the truth, because they are asking me for more information.
One book=$27.00. Postage =$4.00, Converts- dozens the first 6 months for one book!)

Many more stories like that and I am still buying copies of that book.

I intend to extract those reasons and then select the 20 most powerful for use in future discussions with people.

Perhaps as a group effort, people could begin to list the facts that prove places like Belzec were not death camps.

Sort of like a reference sheet, which would be great for use on the phone with skeptics, promoters, or folks who are seeking answers.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:47 pm)

As Mattogno points out, Kola found graves all around the outside areas of the camp in the most willy nilly arrangement, but not in the smack center of the camp. How perfect since that's just the place where they wanted to dig up the ground and build the memorial.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:37 pm)

The problem with Mattogno's view is that Kola's fake 'study' doesn't show any human remains. Kola claims them, but curiously avoids showing them. Why?

Mattogno is being unnecessarily kind to Kola.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:51 pm)

If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.


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