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Irving looks at more jail time for revisionist statements

Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:49 pm)

Austria will even jail him for talking to foreign press...Unbelievable...Freedom in Austria :(

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 93,00.html

Irving barred from speaking to media

Katy Duke
Tuesday March 7, 2006


The jailed British Holocaust denier David Irving has been banned from talking to the press after he continued to question the Holocaust from his cell and claimed he was a victim of Jewish persecution.
The 67-year-old author was jailed for three years last week by a court in Vienna, but since his incarceration he has continued to spout his far-right ideology in a number of interviews with the local and international press.

The court ruled Irving had "reinforced his revisionist statements" and "concretely offended" the Republic of Austria and has now forbidden him from giving any more interviews from his cell.
The ruling means no domestic or foreign media, including the British press, radio and television, will be allowed to see the controversial historian. His family and friends will still be allowed access.

Irving has appealed against his sentence but could face more years behind bars as a result of his recent statements if his case goes back to court.

He originally told the court that convicted him that he had changed his mind since making statements in 1989 questioning the extent of the Holocaust.

But his unrepentant behaviour during the trial led the nine-person jury to convict him despite his assurances. Irving was sentenced to three years in prision, which could now be increased if prosecutors decide his statements since the trial constitute another breach of local laws.

As it considers filing new charges of Holocaust denial against Irving, the public prosecutor's office in Vienna is looking at interviews he gave to the Daily Mail, Independent on Sunday and the BBC after his conviction.

The public prosecution spokesman, Walter Geyer, said: "We know Mr Irving has made several interviews with the British press and are looking into statements we believe may contravene the same laws for which he has been jailed."

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:02 pm)

The 67-year-old author was jailed for three years last week by a court in Vienna, but since his incarceration he has continued to spout his far-right ideology in a number of interviews with the local and international press.


Better multiply the jail sentence, obviously it doesn't have the desired effect!

I still don't understand how people, as I wrote in another thread, can read this stuff and not wonder, how it is possible in a modern, civilized world, to jail people for their opinions.

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Postby Ratatosk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:08 pm)

I still don't understand how people, as I wrote in another thread, can read this stuff and not wonder, how it is possible in a modern, civilized world, to jail people for their opinions.


For the ordinary, half-educated man. The Nazis and their "supporters" deserve anything. The propaganda has sofar succesfully equated Revisionists with Nazi-supporters.

For the more intelligent one's, i think it is a different story. They cannot escape from the fact that a Historian is actually getting jailed for his views in a western country.
I think many seeds are sown in suspicious minds due to the Irving affair.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:10 am)

Austria needs to shut Irving up, otherwise they'll continue to look more and more foolish enforcing Orwellian suppression against simple speech.

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:51 pm)

The propaganda has sofar succesfully equated Revisionists with Nazi-supporters.

Even if this were true (and it is not -- the only major Revisionist who identifies with National Socialism is Zundel) it's irrelevant to the question of what happened and what could not have happened. Holocau$st peddlars should stop with their ad hominem attacks and casting aspersions and impugning motives and argue on the merits. In sum, address Revisionist arguments...never mind who makes them or for what reason...as in a court of law: argue on the merits.

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Postby AnonPoster » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:13 pm)

friedrich braun wrote:The propaganda has sofar succesfully equated Revisionists with Nazi-supporters.

Even if this were true (and it is not -- the only major Revisionist who identifies with National Socialism is Zundel) it's irrelevant to the question of what happened and what could not have happened. Holocau$st peddlars should stop with their ad hominem attacks and casting aspersions and impugning motives and argue on the merits. In sum, address Revisionist arguments...never mind who makes them or for what reason...as in a court of law: argue on the merits.


I agree, but I just laugh off the Nazi allegations. It is not antisemitic to point out that the gas chambers test negative for FeCN. If anything, I'm actually prosemitic for not wanting people (mostly jews) to be brainwashed into staunchly believing something that is obviously not true. You could argue that you'd be hurting Jews by ruining the Holocau$t industry, but a few hundred million USD per year is not worth having your followers believe and parrot that up is down, that the sky isn't blue, etc.

And every time somebody says I'm an idiot for disagreeing with what a large group of people believe in and they refuse to look at the evidence (which is almost always the case), you can always fall back on the story of good, old Galileo... a nice, little one-liner to defend yourself from those who refuse to spend a few hours looking over the evidence.

That said, I think that sometimes, people can take your words out of context... so you have to be careful with what you say and make sure that when you say "Jews", you mean all Jews... or that it's very clear that you were talking about the "Jews" out of a particular group. When you mean "Zionists and only Zionists", don't say "Jews". Zionists do a lot of things that your average Jew may or may not support.

And when the insults start flying, I try to realize that getting angry and getting ugly will only compromise my position. If you throw a fit over being called a Nazi and start name-calling yourself, you turn the debate into a 3rd grade war of insults... which is exactly what Holocaust supporters want it to be.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:20 pm)

Yeah, you gotta wonder what's up. Revisionists demonstrate the good news that millions of Jews were not killed and Jews go berserk.

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