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Poland Seeks Name Change for Auschwitz

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:42 pm)

I suggest Fantasyland as a name, or perhaps The Anti-Science Theme Park.

And still no evidence for gassings.

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Poland Seeks Name Change for Auschwitz

Poland wants to change the official name of the Auschwitz death camp on the U.N.'s world heritage directory to emphasize that it was run by German Nazis, not Poles, an official said Thursday.

The government requested that UNESCO, the U.N.'s educational and cultural body, change the name from "Auschwitz Concentration Camp" to "Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau," Culture Ministry spokesman Jan Kasprzyk said.

Polish officials have complained in the past that foreign media sometimes refer to Auschwitz — a death camp located in occupied Poland where Nazi Germans killed 1.5 million people during World War II — as a "Polish concentration camp."

That phrasing deeply offends sensitivities in Poland, which was subjected to a brutal occupation by Adolf Hitler's Nazi forces.

"In the years after the war, the former Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp was definitively associated with the criminal activities of the national socialist Nazi regime in Germany. However, for the contemporary, younger generations, especially abroad, that association is not universal," Kasprzyk was quoted by the PAP news agency as saying.

"The proposed change in the name leaves no doubt as to what the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp was," Kasprzyk said.

Polish officials hope to hear back about their request by the middle of the year.

The death camp at Auschwitz was made a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1979.
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Postby Vilho » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:45 pm)

"national socialist Nazi regime"

Doesn't that sound a bit dumb? They just had to include the word "nazi" in every sentence.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:48 pm)

Note the laughable "a death camp located in occupied Poland where Nazi Germans killed 1.5 million people during World War II" ... and a not shred of evidence to back it up.

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:58 pm)

"national socialist Nazi regime"

dumb dumb :roll:

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:12 pm)

If the official name is currently "Auschwitz Concentration Camp", then changing the name to "Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau" will not stop people refering to it as a Polish camp, as it is the country of location which leads to 'confusing' descriptions such as "Polish Concentration camp". Do these people not have the ability to think?

Perhaps they should relocate the camp to Germany to avoid confusion.

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Postby simon1003 » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:22 am)

Interesting that the new name could be "Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau".

I bet the name gets changed to "Former Nazi German Death Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau" once the jewish lobby have had their say.

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Postby Reinhard » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:13 am)

Polish officials have complained in the past that foreign media sometimes refer to Auschwitz — a death camp located in occupied Poland where Nazi Germans killed 1.5 million people during World War II — as a "Polish concentration camp."

That phrasing deeply offends sensitivities in Poland, which was subjected to a brutal occupation by Adolf Hitler's Nazi forces.

"In the years after the war, the former Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp was definitively associated with the criminal activities of the national socialist Nazi regime in Germany."


Auschwitz is the German name, the Poles call the place "Oswiecim". So, what's the problem?

By the way: Where can Germans request the names of hundreds and thousands of German cities and villages such as Stettin (at present "Szczecin"), Breslau (at present "Wroclaw"), Danzig (at present "Gdansk"), Waldenburg (at present "Walbrzych"), Hirschberg (at present "Jelenia Góra"), Oppeln (at present "Opole"), Köslin (at present "Koszalin") or Stolp (at present "Slupsk") to be given back their former German names? This phrasing was and is due to the brutal occupation of East Germany and the criminal activities by Polish communist and post-communist armed forces and authorities and the expulsion and slaughtering of the German inhabitants of these territories, which belonged to Germany for more than 800 years.
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Postby Ajax » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:53 am)

Ridiculous. Giving it some long winded name isn't going to change how people refer to the place. Even if they call it 'the former German National Socialist Nazi Hitlerite Fascist horrific terrifying gas chamber equipped death camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau' most people would choose to save time and energy and just call it 'the Polish camp'.

I had to laugh at the 'National Socialist Nazi' thing though - so typical of people who love to throw buzzwords about unaware of the tautologies, contradictions and oxymorons they are creating.

I'd go for something short and snappy like 'Fantasialager'. It even rolls off the tongue nicely.
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Postby Maly Jacek » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:50 am)

"a death camp located in occupied Poland where Nazi Germans killed 1.5 million people during World War II" ... and a not shred of evidence to back it up


Interestingly enough some people still find hard to accept official reduction of numbers in Auschwitz.This is what I have found while reading Max Hasting's "Armageddon.The Battle for Germany 1944-45 ", book published for the first time in 2004 :

p.439
two million Soviet prisoners, Poles, gypsies and other "anti-social elements" were killed at Auschwitz alone, in addition to two million Jews

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:52 pm)

Maly Jacek wrote:
Interestingly enough some people still find hard to accept official reduction of numbers in Auschwitz.This is what I have found while reading Max Hasting's "Armageddon.The Battle for Germany 1944-45 ", book published for the first time in 2004 :


Yes, the 4 million figure seems to have a life of its own, just like the fake shower heads, the soap and the western gas chambers. People like Hasting - just like the rest of us - got this stuff imprinted into their brains at childhood, and the "evolution" of the Myth has never been much publicized. Every now and then you see newspapers and other media mention the Auschwitz four million, the soap, or mass gassings in western camps. For example, I read a newspaper article about "Holocaust denial" published circa 2003, wherein a photo of typhus dead at Dachau were touted as "bodies of Jews gassed at Dachau".

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Postby Juan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:33 pm)

"Out-wit" would be a proper name.

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Postby Obersto » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:16 am)

Maly Jacek wrote:Interestingly enough some people still find hard to accept official reduction of numbers in Auschwitz.This is what I have found while reading Max Hasting's "Armageddon.The Battle for Germany 1944-45 ", book published for the first time in 2004 :

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two million Soviet prisoners, Poles, gypsies and other "anti-social elements" were killed at Auschwitz alone, in addition to two million Jews


I caught that too. Surprisingly sloppy on Hasting's part, given his otherwise excellent research in that book. One of my favorite historians.
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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:24 am)

Juan wrote:"Out-wit" would be a proper name.


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Postby grenadier » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:30 am)

Maly wrote:
Interestingly enough some people still find hard to accept official reduction of numbers in Auschwitz.This is what I have found while reading Max Hasting's "Armageddon.The Battle for Germany 1944-45 ", book published for the first time in 2004 :

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p.439
two million Soviet prisoners, Poles, gypsies and other "anti-social elements" were killed at Auschwitz alone, in addition to two million Jews


Obersto replied:
I caught that too. Surprisingly sloppy on Hasting's part, given his otherwise excellent research in that book. One of my favorite historians.


Yes, Maly, and the death toll for Auschwitz is hardly the only exageration of this truly horrible tome by Hastings. I found it to be heavily biased and tendentious against Germany and the germans, both military and civilians alike. What a departure from his earlier reasonably good work on the Normandy campaign, 'Overlord'. Hasting's research in 'Armageddon' is particularly sloppy when discussing the many alleged crimes comitted by the evil germans, for instance when he talks about slave labourers, etc.
According to Hastings gazillions of people were killed or worked to death, bla,bla, bla. He obviously just copied away from third hand sources.
I would like to point out the following; as a kid I oftentimes read books from my grandpa's collection on WWII, and these books had been written in the 60s and 70s and rarely mentioned the Holocaust. Reading WWII military history today I am struck by how often holocaust stuff(or other nazi evils) seeps into it as per "Armageddon' in contrast to works done before. Although there are many fine exceptions it seems to me that the passing of decades has seen WWII history become even less objective than in the first 30 years after the war.
I wonder if the record will ever be corrected. That's is why someone said that 'history is bunk'.

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Postby Ajax » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:28 pm)

ASMarques wrote:Off-wits. Ouch visits. Hush twits. In the H channel: "Half-wits break now. Don't go away, back in 10 seconds with more."


I think we are on the right track here. When I was at University there was a fellow whom I dubbed 'Lauswitz' - literally translated, 'louse joke'. I think the suffix -witz is very appropriate - the entire story is just a big joke, after all.
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