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NEWS: Germany to Help Open Arolsen Records? Not Really.

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:00 pm)

Germany to Help Open 'Holocaust' Records

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At a news conference at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries said her country would work with the United States to assure the opening of the archives held in the German town of Bad Arolsen and allow historians and survivors access to some 30 million to 50 million documents.

We now assume the data will be safeguarded by those countries that copy the material and use it ....

But the archives have remained off-limits to historians and the public.

Notice the 'historians and 'survivors' qualification, nothing is said about the general public now being allowed access in spite of the writer's misleading closing statement. This, of course, will only be for 'qualified/approved' historians and approved so called 'survivors'. IOW, the gatekeepers will keep out Revisionists, the curious public, and anyone who examines these records with a rational, logic mind.

Watch for this story to fall by the wayside after the initial publicity. If there were anything in these records which confirmed the 'holocau$t' story we would have certainly heard about it in the last 60 years.

Read on, comments invited.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_ ... i_archives
Germany to Help Open Holocaust Records

By BARRY SCHWEID, AP

Germany agreed Tuesday to help clear the way for the opening of Nazi records on some 17 million Jews and enslaved laborers who were persecuted and slain by the Nazis and their collaborators during the Holocaust more than 60 years ago.

At a news conference at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries said her country would work with the United States to assure the opening of the archives held in the German town of Bad Arolsen and allow historians and survivors access to some 30 million to 50 million documents.

Until now, Germany resisted providing access to the archives, citing privacy concerns. "We always put it forward that way in meetings," Zypries said.

But in a meeting Tuesday with Sara Bloomfield, director of the museum, Zypries said Germany had changed its position and would immediately seek revision of an 11-nation accord governing the archives.

She said that should take no more than six months.

Speaking in German, the minister said, "We now agree to open the data in Bad Arolsen in Germany. We now assume the data will be safeguarded by those countries that copy the material and use it, and now that we have made this decision we want to move forward." Her remarks were translated into English for reporters.

Bloomfield, in an interview, called the decision "a great step, a really important step." She said , "I will be completely thrilled when I get the material in the archives."

For 60 years, the International Red Cross has used the archived documents to trace missing and dead Jews and forced laborers, who were systematically persecuted by Nazi Germany and its anti-Semitic confederates across central and eastern Europe before and during World War II.

But the archives have remained off-limits to historians and the public.
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Postby Juan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:20 pm)

So what, even if those docs were opened to the public, the sheeple wouldn't be able to tell truth from lie. The myth rests on ignorance.

And "they" would invent another lie to cover themselves, like "they used code words, payment means gassing", "those nazis supressed/forged docs" (the nerve...)

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:21 am)

So what, even if those docs were opened to the public, the sheeple wouldn't be able to tell truth from lie. The myth rests on ignorance.

On some levels you are quite correct, besides the general public wouldn't know what to look for anyway. After all, they really don't know much about the specifics of the tales they believe in. Sad, but true.

That's where those who do know the specifics of the storyline could go in and make yet more mincemeat of the fraud. But as I said, only those 'approved' by the beneficiaries of the scam will get access. There is no way the judeo-supremacists will allow others to use this archive.

Again, if the archives were supportive of the alleged stories, we would be reading specific examples and access would not have been / will not be restricted. But as usual, they have nothing but Thought Crime arrests, persecution, restricted access, and an obviously all too receptive media that demands obedience or else.

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Postby kk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:29 am)

What's all the fuss about publishing archive material about missing persons?
What must it be "safeguarded"?
Are we gonna get a peek at the material?
Or is it going to be for 'survivors' eyes only'?

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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:51 am)

Tonight on the News - TV New Zealand - most had their first news of the Bad Arolsen records about to be released.

Much old German concentration camp footage, nothing we have not seen.
Much use of the acronym 'NAZI'. Much stern speaking and emotional clap-trap.

But nothing of substance. Not one thing. In fact those children being released looked pretty plump and happy to me.

As there were NO gas-chambers - but everyone believes there were,
so the 'SPIN' on the records can produce the same acceptance in the lemmings minds.

Common sense tells us the records can prove nothing of gas-chambers or genocide - if they could - we would have seen it by now, similar to the hidden Red Cross records, we cant see them. (or are they one and the same?)

The other side have been wounded badly by revisionism, real bad, they know it, they say so.
Revisionists are increasing in numbers daily. Phenomenally.

I sense a counter-attack, a bluff, counter-attack. They have been forced to release documents which will not help their cause.

It's the CODOH Revisionist Forum in the vanguard, against the bluffers.

Put on your armour, sharpen your sword.

I reckon this is their LAST, GASP, attempt.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:25 am)

Looks like it's going to a long haul. According to reports, New York Times for instance, there are some 7 or 8 nations involved with having to okay the relaese of the files and then each nation's parliment will have to vote on it.

Evidently they, the 'Germans', realize forgery of numbers and names would be too complicated and require a massive undertaking so that would be why the files aren't that valuable for verifying the Holocaust story and even detrimental. It may be easy to amass the 3,000,000 names of alleged Holocaust victims at Yad Vashem by just having Jews fill out a little form but for the Bad Arlosen files a bit more would have to be involved.

Then, the Germans really kept a individual accounting for some 17,000,000?

Just keep on attacking the Holocaust story on the technical points using the scientific method and laws of physics and it will make everything else stand out as the lie it is.

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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:27 am)

I need to comment on my last post.

I said:
They have been forced to release documents which will not help their cause.


That might be true, but with retrospect, I don't think so.

Who rules the world?

More likely, Revisionist's have hassled them to the point where they have 'chosen' to release the archive, and then 'SPIN' it.

Either way, nothing changes, we are still in the vanguard.
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Postby Radar » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:45 am)

Yes, I too am watching this with caution. After all the announcement was made at the Washington Holocaust Museum of all places!

But at the end of the day, maybe not tomorrow, there will be an opportunity for revisionists to seek access so we can examine the records. This had been denied practically in the past and if it still denied we can complain about the false story now being told. And it is possible that we will get access that we never had before. It should be approached quietly.

I expect that the records will establish if nothing else that the Red Cross had no evidence of homicidal gas chambers. The promoters will try to ignore that. Next the Vatican.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:11 am)

Washington Post's story on this has some revealing points.

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The International Tracing Service provides a unique window into the Nazis' obsession with documenting all facets of their rule, including lice inspection reports from concentration camps and records of insurance policies that German firms were required to maintain when they used conscripted workers. The bulk of the collection is German papers seized by Allied forces; it also includes meticulous Allied records on efforts to settle refugees after the war.

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Tensions Rise In Long Feud Over Access To Nazi Archive
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 006/04/17/
AR2006041701369.html?referrer=emailarticle

By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, April 18, 2006

BAD AROLSEN, Germany -- Boxed away in a former Nazi SS barracks in this central German town is the core of one of the largest collections of historical documents from World War II. All told, the archive contains 50 million records that list the names of 17.5 million people, including concentration camp prisoners, forced laborers and other victims of the Third Reich.

For 60 years, the International Committee of the Red Cross has used the documents to trace the missing and the dead, especially those of the Holocaust. But the archive has remained off-limits to historians and the public, fueling an increasingly bitter dispute among Holocaust researchers, Jewish groups and the 11 nations that oversee the collection.

The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington and diplomats from the United States, France and the Netherlands are pressing to open the archive to researchers and make digital copies of the collection available for inspection outside Germany. Possessiveness and a refusal to change with the times have kept the records closed, some critics contend.

Some German officials and other people argue that disclosing intimate details about the fates of concentration camp inmates and slave laborers would violate their right to privacy.

The dispute has percolated for nearly a decade. Unless a settlement is reached within a few weeks, a political brawl could break out next month in Luxembourg at the annual meeting of the commission that oversees the International Tracing Service, as the archive is formally known. German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries is to meet in Washington on Tuesday about the issue with the director of the Holocaust museum, Sara Bloomfield.

Keeping the records closed "is absolutely scandalous," said Karel Fracapane, a Polish diplomat and executive secretary of the 24-nation Task Force for International Cooperation on Holocaust Education, Remembrance and Research.

"This is about the memory of the most appalling event in human history and about respect for the survivors today," he said. "It's extremely important for the archives to become open as soon as possible and give survivors and their families relevant information before they die."

The International Tracing Service provides a unique window into the Nazis' obsession with documenting all facets of their rule, including lice inspection reports from concentration camps and records of insurance policies that German firms were required to maintain when they used conscripted workers. The bulk of the collection is German papers seized by Allied forces; it also includes meticulous Allied records on efforts to settle refugees after the war.

The archive is managed by the Red Cross and financed by the German government. It continues to receive about 150,000 requests a year from people seeking information about missing relatives or confirmation of what happened to them under Nazi rule. In part because of funding cuts from the German government, a severe backlog has developed; administrators said an inquiry into an average case can take up to four years.

The service is technically owned by 11 countries: the United States, Britain, Belgium, Israel, Italy, Germany, France, the Netherlands, Poland, Greece and Luxembourg. Eight years ago, the governments agreed in principle to open the archives to historical researchers, but they have missed a succession of self-imposed deadlines to do so.

Part of the problem is that officials from the countries meet for only a day each year to review the archive's operations. They also require a unanimous vote to take action on most issues.

Germany and Italy have resisted proposals for opening the archives, including a plan to share digital copies of the records with each of the 11 nations. German diplomats said they worry their government could be sued if the privacy rights of individuals named in the documents were not protected.

Many leading Holocaust researchers dismiss such concerns, noting that archives around the world successfully protect privacy. They blame bureaucrats from the German Interior Ministry for the impasse.

"They are the principal opponent to the whole thing, and it's very difficult for me to understand why," said Paul Shapiro, director of the Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies at the Holocaust museum in Washington. "Invariably, at the end of the day, the German representatives always put restrictions back on the table that they are absolutely insistent about."

German Interior Ministry officials involved in negotiations declined to comment. Sonja Kreibich, a spokeswoman for the German Foreign Ministry, said the government favors opening the archives. But "what has to be found is a common solution toward the legal questions, including issues of privacy and liability," Kreibich said. "Finding that solution is quite complicated."

Germany does not need to worry that documents in the archive would trigger a new round of compensation lawsuits, experts say, because deadlines in most class-action settlements have passed.

Researchers and diplomats point to the director of the tracing service, Charles C. Biedermann of Switzerland, a Red Cross employee, saying he has worked behind the scenes to keep the records bottled up.

Johannes Houwink ten Cate, director of the Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies in Amsterdam, said Biedermann and the tracing service staff were reluctant to give up control because of an insular culture and fear for their jobs. He said the original mission to trace the whereabouts of refugees had inevitably changed but that the service was unprepared to adapt to a new role as a historical research center.

"They're not unlike the Japanese soldiers who stayed behind in the jungle and were finally discovered" after decades in hiding, he said. "They are continuing to ignore the outside world. The outside world has changed, but they have not."

In an interview last week, Biedermann said he wanted the service to open to the public but that the decision was up to the 11-country commission. "I absolutely hope it will be done," he said. "I'm sure if there's a will, there's a way."

He said his critics misread his motives. He said he had led efforts to scan the records, which would allow easy sharing of the documents with other countries. "That's the best proof that we are for opening the records," Biedermann said.

Meanwhile, Dutch, French and American diplomats are pushing a group of scholars and legal experts to find a compromise to submit to the tracing service's annual meeting May 17 in Luxembourg.

"It's been almost 61 years now since the end of World War II and the Holocaust," said Edward B. O'Donnell Jr., the State Department's ambassador and special envoy for Holocaust issues. "It's time to open all records of the Holocaust, and that certainly remains a priority for the United States."
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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:58 pm)

The spin has already begun:
Washington Post:
"It's been almost 61 years now since the end of World War II and the Holocaust," said Edward B. O'Donnell Jr., the State Department's ambassador and special envoy for Holocaust issues. "It's time to open all records of the Holocaust, and that certainly remains a priority for the United States."


Key points -
1. State Department.
2. Holocaust issues.
3. all records of the holocaust.

Yet what are the records really?
... the Nazis' (National Socialist Government) obsession with documenting all facets of their rule, including lice inspection reports from concentration camps and records of insurance policies that German firms were required to maintain when they used conscripted workers. The bulk of the collection is German papers seized by Allied forces; it also includes meticulous Allied records on efforts to settle refugees after the war.


They are the documents any good, just, honorable nation would retain, to display their fairness and equity during difficult times to any gainsayers.

Watch how light becomes darkness.
There was no holocaust.



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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:21 am)

Of course a ...strange... thing is - David Irving is in prison!

We know how he exposed the fraudlent Hitler Diaries.
We know, and many in the know say - David Irving is the 'bee's knees' on WWII documents and WWII history. Without parallel many say.

He would be the man to examine these old documents and to offer an opinion.

If there is a war going on... it must be a critical timed plot.
Why not?
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