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Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:58 pm)

Here we have a clear and simple example of why the 'gas chambers' at Auschwitz/Birkenau are a lie.

The story claims that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz/Birkenau in underground morgues which were supposedly adapted by cutting openings in the roof of the morgue (the roof extended just above ground). These openings (holes) were then supposedly fitted with curious wire mesh devices which are supposedly used to lower in the insecticide, Zyklon-B, which is said to have been the gassing agent. The story says that these openings protruded above the roof. Yeah I know, it's looking stupid already.

Here we have a wartime aerial photo that Believers claim show these openings on the roof of the morgues, hence supposed proof of gas chambers at Auschwitz/Birkenau. Revisionists claim that these crude marks were added to photos because the original photo obviously did not show the alleged openings/holes/gas chambers. IOW, the photos were tampered with.
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The Believers claim the openings/holes are made to look larger and elongated due to shadows that would be result of the protusion of the alleged Zyklon-B insertion apparatus.

Here is what is claimed to be an Zyklon-B insertion apparatus/column, notice the height of the section which would supposedly protrude above the 'gas chamber' roof.
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Return to the aerial photo and look at the size of the 'shadows'. Given the claimed size & height of the alleged Zyklon-B openings, the 'shadows' are an impossible length and angle given the height of the sun and the surrounding real shadows.
Here is the aerial photo from above with devastating information overlayed.
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for more see:
https://archive.org/details/AirPhotoEvidenceAuschwitz
and:
Altered WWII Aerial Photos - The 'Smoking Guns'
and:
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
excerpt:
Photos allegedly showing Zyklon B introduction vents

Prof. van Pelt writes [p. 295]:

These columns were connected to small holes that penetrated the concrete ceiling of the gas chamber, which opened to four small "chimneys" for lack of a better word. These are visible on one of the photos of crematorium 2 taken by the SS during construction, the aerial photos taken by the Americans in 1944 […]

Is Prof. van Pelt an expert for analyzing photos? If he is, than I might add the following conclusions of analyses of the photos van Pelt refers to:

1. Analysis of a section of an air photo of the Birkenau camp taken by a Canadian airplane August 1944.
* The alignment of the patches referred to by Prof. van Pelt s "chimneys" does not agree with the direction of the shadow cast by the crematorium chimney!
* On a photo from September 13, 1944, the patches on crematorium III retain their direction and shape even though the position of the sun has changed![27]
* On that same photo the patches on morgue 1 of crematorium II are missing!
* The length of the patches would corresponds to objects 4.5 ft. wide and rising 10 to 13 ft. above the roof – in other words, large objects, not the approximately 20-inch-high hatches attested to by witnesses.
* These jagged, irregular patches cannot be shadows cast by perpendicular, straight input hatches.

This confirms the fraudulent nature of the absurd 'holocau$t' Auschwitz gas chambers claims. It's just not that difficult.

So, if the crudely drawn on black marks cannot be Zyklon-B insertion holes with shadows as is alleged, then what will Believers claim they are next?

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurdity of the 'holocaust' is the message.

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Postby grapple » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:18 pm)

If you look the angle of the shadow Zyklon-B insertion apparatus/column is the same as the shadow created by the roof of the main building towards the bottom of the last photo and whoever forged the picture forgot that the Gable roof itself is at an angle and would not create a shadow at the same angle as either the vertical Zyklon column or chimney Whoever forged this was not very good.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:04 am)

The shadows on one morgue roof are practically in a straight line down the middle while those on the other morgue are alternating and spread apart.

There's no reasonable explanation for this since the morgues were identical and the gassing system would have been too.

What is the reason for different configurations in identical structures? There is none.

If for some reason the columns were placed differently, where is the eyewitness telling us of this?

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:01 am)

There is a new "explanation" from the indu$try that was published in the "Holes Report"

Research Note
The Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau
Daniel Keren, Jamie McCarthy, and Harry W. Mazal

DOI: 10.1093/hgs/dch040
Holocaust and Genocide Studies, V18 NI, Spring 2004, pp. 68-103

[...]

Part III: Aerial Photographs
We now turn to same of the photographs taken from Allied and German airplanes, showing their relation to the physical layout of the crematorium, and especially to the Zyklon introduction holes.
It is impossible to observe the Zyklon holes themselves in any of the aerial photographs. To realize why, observe the gas chamber roof in Figure 24, which is the best suitable aerial photograph of Birkenau available. The gas chamber length is 30 m, while the holes’ covers are about 60 x 60 cm. The low resolution and very strong granularity of the photograph don’t allow direct observation of objects this size. However, certain phenomena associated with the holes can be identified. Also, given two overlapping photographs, both including the roof, the principle of stereo imaging may allow one to see more than is visible in a single image. We shall elaborate on this later. The best quality photo, and the one that has attracted most attention, was taken by an American plane on August 25, 1944; part of the photo is presented in Figures 7 and 24. [19] A photograph of lesser quality, but still of interest, was taken from a German airplane on July 8, 1944 (Figure 25). The four dark, irregular smudges on the roof of the gas chamber in Figure 24 correspond to the location of the holes both in the Train Photograph (Figure 3) and to the physical findings (see the main part of this paper). However, it is clear that they are too large, and not in the correct shape, to represent the actual holes. In order to interpret the photo, we obtained the advice of Mr. Carroll Lucas, a leading expert with more than fifty years in aerial and satellite photo analysis. [20]
Mr. Lucas analyzed the two August 25 photos showing the roof of Crematorium II. The appearance of an object in two overlapping photographs allows reconstruction of a three-dimensional picture by stereo imaging. [21] Mr. Lucas employed magnifiers, a Richards light table with an attached Bausch & Lomb Zoom 70 microscope with a stereo attachment, a Carl Zeiss N-2 mirror stereoscope, and an Abrams 2-4 stereoscope Model CB-1, to analyze the photo appearing in Figure 24 and the previous frame taken during the same flight. After careful study Mr. Lucas identified four small objects within the smudges, all slightly elevated above the level of the roof. Stereo imaging allows observation of even small objects in grainy images, very difficult or {Page 95} impossible to detect in separate images, as is well demonstrated by „random dot stereograms.“ [22] In all probability, these correspond to the four „chimneys“ above the holes in the roof, as clearly visible in the Train Photograph (Figure 4). Thus, the aerial photographs add further support to the witness testimonies and to the Train Photograph. With regard to the dark smudges and related findings Mr. Lucas summarized his conclusions as follows:
a) „The roof of the partially underground wing of the Crematorium contains , four raised vents, possibly with covers larger than their exits.“
b) „The four dark areas observed on the Crematorium II roof (on positive prints) are compacted soil, produced by the constant movement of personnel deployed on the roof, as they worked around the vents.“ This point will be discussed below.
c) „The thin dark lineation (on positive prints) interconnecting the dark areas is a path of compacted earth produced by personnel moving from vent to vent.“ (See Figure 24.)
d) „The dark area connecting this path to the edge of the roof from the vent nearest to the Crematorium roof is an extension of the path which shows where personnel gained access to the roof-possibly using a short ladder leaned against the roof.“ (See Figure 24.)
e) „The evidence provided by this analysis lends credence to the fact that the vents existed and were used in a war consistent with statements from multiple witnesses.“
Same earlier aerial photographs - for example, one dated May 31, 1944 - show neither the smudges nor the dark line along the center of the chamber. One possible explanation is that the camouflage in the Crematorium area in general, and the gas chamber in particular, changed over time. In the Train Photograph for example, one can clearly observe an as yet incomplete earth bank with a triangular cross-section located on the chamber’s western edge, while there is no earth cover on the roof. Such earth banks are visible in the May 31, 1944, photograph as well (Figure 26), but they do not appear in the July 8 and August 25, 1944, photos.
It is therefore reasonable to assume that between May 31 and July 8, the earth banks were flattened and the roof covered with earth. This newly placed earth was compacted by the SS-men climbing onto the roof and walking between the holes, thus resulting in the dark path running through the chamber’s center (item c in Lucas’ analysis), and the short dark line extending west from the northernmost hole corresponds to the point at which the SS-men climbed on the roof (item d in Lucas’ analysis). The path ends at the southernmost hole, indicating that the SS-men indeed climbed the roof at its northern end, and traversed it north-south-north. The SS-men spent more time moving in the vicinity of the holes, thus resulting in an area of compacted earth wider than the path that they treaded between the holes. {Page 96}
Further factors that may have contributed to the formation of the „smudges“ in the photo:
a) Water may have been poured on the extracted Zyklon pellets in order to dissolve the Zyklon and reduce the danger of accidental inhalation. Hosing down the pellets would also cause the wet areas of the earth cover to appear darker and could also have caused a different growth pattern of grass on the roof, resulting in a darker color; this is supported by the fact that areas with greenery appear darker in the photo (Figure 7).
b) It is possible that the inner cores of the wire mesh columns into which the Zyklon was inserted were not inside the chamber when the aerial photograph was taken, but were temporarily removed and propped against the small chimneys that housed the Zyklon insertion devices. One possible reason for removing the inner core is that since the gas chambers were hosed down after each gassing, [23] it would have made sense to remove these inner cores while the hosing was taking place, in order to keep them dry. These inner cores, leaning on the small chimneys, could result in shadow patterns with an appearance such as that in the center of the smudges.

Notes:
20. Mr. Lucas served in the United States Army Air Force between 1943 and 1946. From 1946 to 1956 he worked for the U.S. Geological Service, and between 1956 and 1981 the Central Intelligence Agency. Between 1968 and 1982 he held several positions within the CIA and NPIC (National Photographic Interpretation Center), including that of Executive Officer, NPIC. He was later manager of the Imagery Exploitation Division and senior analyst/consulting scientist for the Advanced Applications Division at the CIA, among other positions. We thank Prof. John Zimmerman of the University of Nevada for contacting Lucas for us.
21. As per Faugeras, op. cit.
22. Brian A. Wandell Foundations of Vision (Sunderland, MA: Sinauer Associates, 1995).
23. Greif, p. 131.


This magic Mr Lucas who found small chimneys in the middle of the dark spots - if you calculate that he started his service at the US Air Force (1943) 63 years ago and that he was at least 18 years old then - so this guy is 81 today. He kept his eyes sharp in the CIA.

Mattogno discussed the "Holes Report".
http://vho.org/VffG/2004/3/3_04.html German
http://vho.org/tr/2004/4/4_04.html English
(you have to downlad the pdf versions)
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:38 am)

The four dark, irregular smudges on the roof of the gas chamber in Figure 24 correspond to the location of the holes both in the Train Photograph (Figure 3) and to the physical findings (see the main part of this paper).

Ah yes, they get nailed again. These 'holes' do NOT correspond to the so called 'Train photo', and that's a big, big problem for the aerial photos AND this train photo, read & see:
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
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However, it is clear that they are too large, and not in the correct shape, to represent the actual holes. In order to interpret the photo, we obtained the advice of Mr. Carroll Lucas, a leading expert with more than fifty years in aerial and satellite photo analysis. [20]

So now, since they look ridiculous, we must now 'interpret' to suit a pre-formed conclusion. Lovely

The reader should be aware that this 'Lucas' has made no public statements, held no press conferences, has zero interviews, has never published the photos and his opinions in technical journals. So why should we believes the likes of proven shysters: Daniel Keren, Jamie McCarthy, and Harry W. Mazal. Those men have been exposed frauds here at this forum.

The shysters even claim that sometimes the morgue roof was covered in dirt, other times it wasn't. That makes zero sense. Why would the Germans sometimes have dirt covering the roof and sometimes remove it. Had to keep the troops busy I guess. Laughable.

Ahem.
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Notice the bizarre claim that SS men walked around on the roof, near the alleged 'holes', thus leaving "paths" which supposedly explain the extremely long size of the marked-on smudges. This dog don't hunt. The question needs to be asked, 'How did the SS men get there'? Those so called 'paths' do not connect to each other, nor do they extend off the roof. Magic SS levitation I assume.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:55 pm)

The gas chamber length is 30 m, while the holes’ covers are about 60 x 60 cm.



This is all too easy. Bear with me while I point out Mazal's self-destruction here.

Kula testified that the outer column was 70 centimeters wide and 3 meters high. This was shown in Nizkor's diagram. Since the morgue ceiling was 2.4 meters from the floor, the outer 70 centimeter column had to penetrate the roof. Therefore the covers had to be at least 70x70 centimeters (and easily visible in the aerial photos).




The four dark, irregular smudges on the roof of the gas chamber in Figure 24 correspond to the location of the holes both in the Train Photograph



Completely false. As Hannover shows us the 4 "chutes" in the Little Train Photo do not correspond to any claimed locations for the chutes. The fact Mazal refers to them as factual kills their credibility.





After careful study Mr. Lucas identified four small objects within the smudges, all slightly elevated above the level of the roof.



I've never seen nor heard of this. Please show us.





In all probability, these correspond to the four „chimneys“ above the holes in the roof, as clearly visible in the Train Photograph (Figure 4).



Mazal isn't sure themselves. For persons claiming to have stereoscopically found the chutes they use uncertain wording. They also refer to the proven fraud of the Little Train chutes as being "clearly visible". What is most clear about the Little Train Photo is the impossibility of the objects being Zyklon chutes.




a) „The roof of the partially underground wing of the Crematorium contains , four raised vents, possibly with covers larger than their exits.“



Which, according to their own sources, necessitates the chute covers being larger than 70 centimeters square (not 60 as they claim above). Again, their language is uncertain. They say "possibly".




b) „The four dark areas observed on the Crematorium II roof (on positive prints) are compacted soil, produced by the constant movement of personnel deployed on the roof, as they worked around the vents.“




I believe the morgues were never covered in soil. If you look at the aerial photos you can clearly see well-defined edges to the morgue roof. If the roof was covered in soil it would have to be bermed up to the edge. Such a berm would eliminate the firm edge between the roof top and wall. Look at the photos again. You can clearly see a sharp edge down the sides of the morgue. This is clean unburied concrete.

At this point they have no argument for the chutes not being visible. Also, they have no excuse to the patterns being so different between the two morgues.





c) „The thin dark lineation (on positive prints) interconnecting the dark areas is a path of compacted earth produced by personnel moving from vent to vent.“ (See Figure 24.)



If this were true there wouldn't be as much difference between the two forms of patch. Yes, the near-chute patch would be darker from the gassing agents pacing while the gas took affect, but it would not be as markedly different and as nearly invisible as it was. If the patches were caused by walking the paths would be darker and visible (common sense) - which is why Mazal suggests they were caused by watering down Zyklon (because they know it doesn't make sense).




d) „The dark area connecting this path to the edge of the roof from the vent nearest to the Crematorium roof is an extension of the path which shows where personnel gained access to the roof-possibly using a short ladder leaned against the roof.“ (See Figure 24.)



Again, the Mazal people wear their lack of technical competency around their necks like an albatross.

If the roof were bermed and covered with soil, they wouldn't need any ladder to walk on to it.




e) „The evidence provided by this analysis lends credence to the fact that the vents existed and were used in a war consistent with statements from multiple witnesses.“



The evidence here strongly points towards the "patches" being drawn-in by sloppy forgers.

The statements by multiple witnesses are equally as contradicting and flawed.

Mazal confuses "vents" with "Zyklon introduction chutes".



Same earlier aerial photographs - for example, one dated May 31, 1944 - show neither the smudges nor the dark line along the center of the chamber. One possible explanation is that the camouflage in the Crematorium area in general, and the gas chamber in particular, changed over time.



Just more evidence that the "smudges" were drawn-in on the other photograph.




In the Train Photograph for example, one can clearly observe an as yet incomplete earth bank with a triangular cross-section located on the chamber’s western edge, while there is no earth cover on the roof. Such earth banks are visible in the May 31, 1944, photograph as well (Figure 26), but they do not appear in the July 8 and August 25, 1944, photos.
It is therefore reasonable to assume that between May 31 and July 8, the earth banks were flattened and the roof covered with earth. This newly placed earth was compacted by the SS-men climbing onto the roof and walking between the holes, thus resulting in the dark path running through the chamber’s center (item c in Lucas’ analysis), and the short dark line extending west from the northernmost hole corresponds to the point at which the SS-men climbed on the roof (item d in Lucas’ analysis). The path ends at the southernmost hole, indicating that the SS-men indeed climbed the roof at its northern end, and traversed it north-south-north. The SS-men spent more time moving in the vicinity of the holes, thus resulting in an area of compacted earth wider than the path that they treaded between the holes. {Page 96}



Unfortunately for Mazal, there is no such centerline path on the other morgue roof. This mysterious centerline path is also dead straight. This is nearly impossible.

What you are seeing here clearly suggests the first photo shows the bare, chute-less roof, and the second the roof with drawn-in "smudges".





Further factors that may have contributed to the formation of the „smudges“ in the photo:
a) Water may have been poured on the extracted Zyklon pellets in order to dissolve the Zyklon and reduce the danger of accidental inhalation. Hosing down the pellets would also cause the wet areas of the earth cover to appear darker and could also have caused a different growth pattern of grass on the roof, resulting in a darker color; this is supported by the fact that areas with greenery appear darker in the photo (Figure 7).



More bizarre stretches. These only work in revisionism's favor.

Such an intense leaching of cyanide would have lead to permanent traces in the roof concrete below.

No such water mark is seen in the alleged pre-soil morgue roof photo.




b) It is possible that the inner cores of the wire mesh columns into which the Zyklon was inserted were not inside the chamber when the aerial photograph was taken, but were temporarily removed and propped against the small chimneys that housed the Zyklon insertion devices. One possible reason for removing the inner core is that since the gas chambers were hosed down after each gassing, [23] it would have made sense to remove these inner cores while the hosing was taking place, in order to keep them dry. These inner cores, leaning on the small chimneys, could result in shadow patterns with an appearance such as that in the center of the smudges.



Absurd.



I think we have more than shown the off-the-cuff nature of Mazal's material. They really can't explain the forgeries.

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Re: Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom

Postby Toshiro » 7 years 11 months ago (Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:55 am)

I didn't want to open another thread about this, since there are quite a few already, so I'm posting into this one, which I think is the most fitting.

Let's start with a testimony by a survivor, Henryk Tauber:

The roof of the gas chamber was supported by concrete pillars running down the middle of its length. On either side of these pillars there were four others, two on each side.


"Two on each side." That is, two on the western and two on the eastern side. Let's see what Pressac has to say about that:

According to the American aerial photograph of 24th [25th?] August 1944, the four introduction points were located along a line running the length of the room in the eastern half. In the present ruins, two of these openings are still visible at the southern end but in the western half. Nobody up to now seems to have been concerned by this contradiction, nor to have explained it.


"According to the American aerial photograph [...] the four introduction points were located along a line running the length of the room in the eastern half." The aerial photographs and Henryk Tauber's testimony contradict each other. Not to mention two of the supposed holes (which are completely benign, as we shall see later) are today visible at the western end of the roof slab, but are located on the eastern end on the aerial photographs.

Next, Charles D. Provan:

No matter what one thinks of the authenticity of the smudgey marks, it is impossible to view them, whether authentic or not, as 'vents.' [...] [air photos] cannot be used to prove or disprove that the underground rooms were gassing facilities. [...] So we are hesitant to use the aerial photographs as proof that there were roof vents for Zyklon B.
[...]
if [these smudges] are shadows [cast by the low chimneys], the height has been calculated as about 3 meters, using the known height of the Krematorium chimney, and the length of its shadow as a reference.
[...]
some of the photographs of Auschwitz-Birkenau show roof marks where no Zyklon B vents are supposed to be.


If they are shadows, then they are obviously too long. Their angles are wrong, too:

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Next, Daniel Keren, Jamie McCarthy, and Harry W. Mazal with their "holes report":

It is impossible to observe the Zyklon holes themselves in any of the aerial photographs.
[...] they are too large, and not in the correct shape, to represent the actual holes.


Pretty clear, I'd say. But then they go on:

The smudges are too large to belong just to the holes themselves. They probably correspond to the tamping down of a trail on the roof by the SS men detailed to introduce the canisters [...] moving from vent to vent.


But the earth appears white in every single aerial photograph, except for areas with vegetation. The only possibility that the smudges are trampled earth is if the Germans dipped their boots into black tar before they climbed on the roof. Further to this, the claim that the smudges are "a path of compacted earth produced by personnel" is absurd when one takes crematorium III into consideration, where the smudges are in odd angles for some 3 meters. It would mean the Germans walked from vent to vent in these odd angles whereby they would jump from one vent to another some 3-4 meters away! Who ever said that "white men can't jump" is clearly mistaken!
They admitted it is impossible to observe any holes in the smudges, but then they claim they have:

identified four small objects within the smudges, all slightly elevated above the level of the roof. [...] [which are] very difficult or impossible to detect in separate images [...] In all probability, these correspond to the four 'chimneys' above the holes in the roof, as clearly visible in the Train Photograph.


First, let's mention that the expert who did the analysis is Carroll Lucas, a retired CIA photo expert who the authors claim has: "more than fifty years experience in aerial and satellite photo analysis." Carroll Lucas served in the US Army Air Force between 1943 and 1946, and if he was at least 18 at the time, it would make him 79 or 80 years old when he analysed the photographs. Mr. Lucas apparently has very good eyesight, even at his age.
Secondly, the objects in the train photograph do not correspond with the aerial photographs, as proven in the Irving trial below:

Robert Jan van Pelt: Today, these four small holes that connected the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys cannot be observed in the ruined remains of the concrete slab.

[...]

It is very difficult to determine the size of the objects, because of the way the shadow works.

[...]

David Irving: What have you to say about the spacing of those smudges when you compare them with what I call the tar barrels on the roof in the other photograph? They are differently spaced, are they not? [...] Would it not be correct to say that in fact there is a very uneven spacing in the four tar barrels visible from the ground, whereas the smudges on the roof appear to be admittedly irregularly spaced but in a totally different way. Therefore, they have no connection whatsoever with the protuberances that are visible from ground level.

Robert Jan van Pelt: I have no comment on that.

[...]

David Irving: You have not seen any holes in the roof, have you, in the -- when you went there? You have not found any holes?

Robert Jan van Pelt: I have not seen the holes for the columns, no.

David Irving: Not for the introduction of the cyanide?

Robert Jan van Pelt: No.


Professor van Pelt believes the smudges to be chimneys (through which Zyklon-B was introduced) and their shadows. When David Irving confronts him with the fact that these smudges or "chimneys" are in different locations than the February 1943 "train" photograph:
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van Pelt responds with "I have no comment on that." The objects on the February photograph are, as Irving states, barrels:
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The lines in the drawing below represent the possible locations upon which the objects on the roof (and holes) were positioned. At none of these locations are there any holes or traces of refilled holes found in the remains today, except for one which was made by the Soviets or Poles, but it's on the wrong (western) side of the roof, whereas the objects are on the eastern side. The hole is also shifted around 3 meters to the south of the first object. This proves the objects on the roof were not introduction chimneys:
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At first glance there appear to be five objects on the roof, but the easternmost object is in fact under the window and not on the roof. The westernmost object is barely visible behind the train's smokestack, but can also be seen in the January 1943 photograph:
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where it is box-like. What this is, is a mystery, but it was without a doubt construction-related, i.e. building material. The first object to the right of the train's smokestack seems to fit right in with the two barrels next to it on the right, but is in fact quite different upon thorough examination. In fact, the "believers" always ignore this object, because they have no idea what it is or what it's doing there! Germar Rudolf calculated the size of the object as 75 centimetres here:
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This object is not a part of their "four chimneys," instead they claim the third chimney is hidden entirely behind the train's smokestack and can't be seen. They are absolutely positive that this object is not a chimney, but the other three and one imaginary behind the smokestack are! We can safely assume it was, again, something construction-related.

Kenneth Roy Wilson, an expert in photogrammetry and aerial triangulation, testified in the second Zündel trial in 1988 that in the May 31st, 1944 air photo: "the patches on top of the morgue at crematorium II were flat and had no elevation." Wilson could not say what the patches were but believed they were discolorations on the surface of the roof.

For the August 25th, 1944 photo, he likewise testified that: "the patches were not shadows but did not have any elevation." He could not identify what the patches were or what caused them.

For the September 13th, 1944 photo, he could only detect a slight patch close to the crematorium, but not the other patches. Again he claimed the patches are neither shadows nor have any elevation, but were just discolorations on the surface of the roof. Wilson also believed there was no smoke or haze (due to bombing) present that reduced the quality of the photograph.

So, we've heard what the survivors, historians and the experts have to say, now let's hear what the builders of the "gas chambers" have to say! First, Walter Schreiber (not to be confused with Walther Schreiber, who was the mayor of Berlin from 1953 to 1955, or Walter Paul Emil Schreiber who was a military officer in the Wehrmacht and died in 1952), who was a: "supervising engineer, I inspected the Huta Corporation and dealt with the Zentralbauleitung of the SS." He gave an interview in 1998, a year before he passed away at the age of 91:

Question: In which positions were you active?

Answer: As supervising engineer, I inspected the Huta Corporation and dealt with the Zentralbauleitung of the SS. I also audited the invoices of our firm.

Question: Did you enter the camp? How did that happen?

Answer: Yes. One could walk everywhere without hindrance on the streets of the camp and was only stopped by the guards upon entering and leaving the camp.

Question: Did you see or hear anything about killings or mistreatment of inmates?

Answer: No. But lines of inmates in a relatively poor general condition could be seen on the streets of the camp.

Question: What did the Corporation build?

Answer: Among other things, crematoria II and III with the large morgues.

Question: The prevalent opinion is that these large morgues were gas chambers for mass killings.

Answer: Nothing of the sort could be deduced from the plans made available to us. The detailed plans and provisional invoices drawn up by us refer to these rooms as ordinary cellars.

Question: Do you know anything about introduction hatches in the reinforced concrete ceilings?

Answer: No, nothing more from memory. But since these cellars were also intended to serve the auxiliary purpose of air raid shelters, introduction holes would have been counter-productive. I would certainly have expressed an objection to such an arrangement.

Question: Why were such large cellars built, when the water table in Birkenau was so extremely high?

Answer: I don't know. Originally, however, above-ground morgues were to be built. The construction of the cellars caused great problems in retention and sealing.

Question: Would it be conceivable that you were deceived and that the SS nevertheless had gas chambers to be built by your firm without your knowledge?

Answer: Anyone who knows anything about what happens on a building site knows that that is impossible.

Question: Do you know any gas chambers?

Answer: Naturally. Everyone in the east knew about disinfection chambers. We also built disinfection chambers, which look quite different. We built such installations and knew what they looked like, even after the necessary installations. As a building firm, we often had work to do after installation of the machinery...

Question: When did you learn that your firm was supposed to have built gas chambers for industrial mass killing?

Answer: Only after the end of the war.

Question: Weren't you quite amazed about it?

Answer: Yes! After the war I made contact with my former boss in Germany and asked him about it.

Question: What did you learn?

Answer: He also only learned about it after the war, but he assured me that the Huta Corporation certainly did not build the cellars in question as gas chambers.

Question: Would building alterations be conceivable after the withdrawal of the Huta Corporation?

Answer: Conceivable, sure, but I would rule that out on the basis of time factors. After all, they would have needed corporations again, the SS couldn't do that on their own, even with inmates. Based on the technical requirements for the operation of a gas chamber, which only became known to me later, the building erected by us would have been entirely unsuited for the purpose in regard to the necessary machinery and practicable operation.

Question: Why didn't you publish that?

Answer: After the war, first, I had other problems. And now it is no longer permitted.

Question: Have you been interrogated as a witness in this matter?

Answer: No Allied, German, or Austrian agency has ever taken an interest in my knowledge of the construction of crematoria II and III, I or my other activity in the former general government. I was never interrogated in this matter, although my services for the Huta Corporation were known. I mentioned them in all my later CVs and recruitment applications. Since knowledge of the facts is dangerous, however, I never felt any urge to disseminate it. But now, when the lies are getting increasingly bolder and contemporary witnesses like myself are slowly but surely dying off, I am glad that someone is willing to listen and set down the way it really was. I have serious heart trouble and can die at any moment, it's time now.


Walter Schreiber (rest in peace) asked to publish this interview after his death for reasons known to us all.

Now, the two architects that designed the "gas chambers," Walter Dejaco and Fritz Karl Ertl. The two were put on trial in 1972 in Vienna for the murder of three million (!) Jews in crematorium II and crematorium III, but were acquitted because the court could not establish any connection between the two and the supposed mass murder in the "gas chambers." They both denied knowing what the buildings "were to be used for" (other than their intended use) and were released from custody on March 11th, 1972.
During the trial, a construction expert testified before the court:

Question: Do the plans indicate that these were gas chambers?

Answer: No.

Question: Could the accused infer from the plans that they could be transformed later into gas chambers?

Answer: No.


There you go, as clear as day. But nevertheless, let's move to the aerial photographs themselves.

First, the May 31st, 1944 photograph of crematorium II (on the left) and crematorium III (on the right):
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Here's a close-up of crematorium II:
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Many "believers" and revisionists alike were confused by this photograph, because there don't appear to be any smudges on the "gas chamber" at all, and all had their own explanations. However, the photo below paints a different picture:
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The blue lines correspond to the actual (approximate; should be a little lower) edges of the "gas chamber" and there is indeed a smudge going in a single line (S1). Why the actual edges aren't visible is perhaps due to the lower quality of the scanned image, and this is the reason why some have mistaken the S1 and S2 lines as the edges. But then, what is the S2 smudge? We don't know. Nobody does. More so, what is the S3 line? Again, nobody knows. The S2 and S3 lines could be anything from shrubs, grass, logs, boards, pipes, ditches, building material, unassembled fence posts, etc. It's not really important. The marks F1, F2 and F3 are the (then) unfinished fences. The only important bit of information on this photograph is the S1 smudge, which the experts above have confirmed to be without elevation or shadows. The S1 smudge is, as the experts claim, discoloration of the roof.

Here are two ground photos for some perspective:
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On the bottom left is the original photo from May 27th, 1944; above it is the same photo with the marked fences. The F2 side of the fence is marked with yellow, the F3 side with blue. On the right is a photo from roughly the same time, May 1944, perhaps even on the same day. Krematorium III has no fence, and Krematorium II only has part of it, as in the aerial photograph. Surely if this fence was meant as "camouflage," they wouldn't have left Krema III bare-naked like that, since both the crematoriums were active at the time. It was a simple additional barrier of no significance. Had it been intended as camouflage, it would have been one of the first things the Germans would build. Instead, they were supposedly "gassing" inmates for months without any camouflage at Krema III and only partial camouflage at Krema II. Why go on for months without finishing the "camouflage"? It's not exactly like building a skyscraper; it's a simple fence. Surely lack of "material" wasn't an issue, and the logistics behind building a fence aren't complicated at all. Untrained inmates could have done it, without involving any building corporation into it.

Next, the July 8th, 1944 photograph:
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The quality of this photograph is lower than the others. Interestingly, it's the only one made by the Luftwaffe.
The main S1 smudge is still there, in a single line, but the S2 and S3 lines are not. There are faint outlines of the F1 and F2 fence visible, still unfinished. The bad quality of the photo has to do with their almost invisible appearance, which John Clive Ball concluded on his air-photo.com website to disappear completely. John Clive Ball believes the smudges and the fences are drawn on the photographs by the CIA, which is quite an extreme theory, since there is a different explanation altogether. In short, John Ball is wrong.

Next, the August 23rd, 1944 photograph:
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The quality is bad, but should be no different than the August 25th image below, which is the best quality aerial photograph. Notice the F1 and F2 fences have been extended (completed). I'd also like to mention that the area below crematorium III is the Auschwitz soccer field! That's right, the soccer field was right next to the gas chamber!

August 25th, 1944 photograph:
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Notice the S1 smudge is no longer in a single line, but consists of four spots in different angles, all of which are located on the bottom (eastern) half of the roof. Their sizes are from 3 to 4 metres.

Their huge size might be clearer in the original 1979 report by the CIA:
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Quite a size for a 'vent', since the 'eyewitnesses' claim they were around 70 centimetres in diameter and protruded around 60 centimetres from the roof. Let's remind ourselves that the experts above have confirmed these to be without elevation or shadows.

Next, September 13th, 1944:
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Sometimes referred to as the "bombs photograph" because there is another frame showing bombs being thrown on the Monowitz camp in Auschwitz. On the crematorium II "gas chamber," only one of the four smudges is visible, with another fainter spot a little to the left of it. Again, the experts above have confirmed these to be without elevation or shadows.

The last photograph; December 21st, 1944:
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The quality of this one from Pressac's book is quite low.

A close-up of crematorium II from a different source:
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Two of the four smudges are visible, with two or three fainter smudges to the left of them. All in all, this suggests more or less a consistency of the smudges, except for the difference in quality or some other factors that made the smudges more visible on some photos and less on others. Also, in the May 31st and July 8th photographs, the smudge is a single line, compared to the other photographs.

The four smudges on crematorium III appear to be more or less in similar locations in all the photographs. John Clive Ball claimed they in fact change, but again, he is wrong.

Now then, the question is, what in the world are these smudges!?

There are two possibilities:

Number 1raveling (single 'l'). What is raveling? It's loss of material from the surface caused by ultraviolet exposure, rain, snow and moisture. This is very common on roads. Another term for this is extractive bleed-through. And if I quote an engineering firm's website:

Extractive bleed-through stains are black streaks that run vertically down an asphalt shingle roof. These stains vary in width and length, but are a clear indication of a defective roofing product. Extractive bleeding occurs when an excessive amount of bitumen or black pigment is released from the asphalt shingles and runs down the surface of the roof. The defect is simply that the bitumen was not well bound in the asphalt mix during production. Since bleed-through stains are a characteristic of the asphalt shingles themselves and not from an exterior source, the discoloration will probably manifest over large areas of roof.

The good news about extractive bleed-through is that it is a product defect described by manufacturers as cosmetic and should not affect the integrity of the roof. The unfortunate news is that there is not much to do to remedy bleed-through stains because power washing and chemical treatments can reduce the remaining useful life of the roof.


Basically, the surface is damaged and bitumen leaks through. This can be observed on the collapsed roof of crematorium II:
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Even today:
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The example above was caused by the explosion, however.

Here is an example of a sidewalk in Santa Rosa, California:
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Number 2algae, fungi, moss, lichens or grass. Let me quote the same engineering firm:

Algae and fungi typically appear as black spots or streaks, varying from what appear to be faint shadows to dark stains. Moss and lichens are greenish and appear to be more of a growth than a stain. All of these building detriments are common on roofs that are subject to little sunlight and high humidity.

Mold is a type of fungus supported by the carbon released during the decomposition of other organisms such as leaves or sticks left on a roof. Algae are plants that use photosynthesis and are supported by moisture in inorganic material such as the calcium carbonate found in the limestone particles of asphalt shingles. Mosses are small soft plants and lichens are composite organisms consisting of fungus and algae. While inherently different, mold, algae, moss and lichens thrive in warm humid environments and normally appear on the northern slope of roofs where shade and moisture are often found. These organisms occur naturally and are hard to prevent. In fact, algae and fungal growth used to be limited to warm and humid climates, but can now be seen on rooftops as far north as Canada.


Remember, the experts have confirmed the smudges are neither shadows, nor do they have any elevation. They are simple discolorations, caused by either the bitumen leaking through or by moss or fungi growing on the roof.

As for the actual holes in the remains, Pressac and van Pelt found none. Professor van Pelt believes the Germans poured cement over the holes, waited for it to dry and then blew up the building. Genius!

Charles D. Provan found 8 holes out of which he considers three (2 (Mazal's hole number 1), 6 (Mazal's hole number 2), 8 (disregarded by Mazal)) to be original. The others are too small, are simple cracks or were made after 1945.
There was a thorough inspection of the crematoria from May 12th to June 4th in 1945 by the Poles, but they did not mention any holes in the roof, as the holes were not there yet. Hole number 2 was made by the Poles or Soviets sometime after the inspection. Why? Because the roof lacked 'criminal holes'. This hole has also been increased between 1990 and 1997 with a chisel, as shown by Carlo Mattogno in his No Holes, No Gas Chamber(s) report. Even though it was increased, it is still not wide enough to be considered an insertion hole. Supposedly the insertion holes were 70x70 centimetres. This hole was 86 cm long with 50 cm at the widest and 43 cm at the narrowest side in 1990, as measured by Carlo Mattogno. That's a problem for the "believers."
Provan believes that hole number 7 could not have been an insertion hole because iron bars were in the way! In 1992, there were 5 iron bars present, in 1997, only two remained, in 2000, only one! In 2011? Who knows, perhaps an additional hole? What's going on? Did gypsies come and steal old metal!? Not only did the metal bars disappear, it was chiselled into a crude square-like shape. Holes number 7 and 2 were made in 1945 to make them look like Zyklon-B insertion holes.
Hole number 6 is a simple crack like holes number 1, 3, 4 and 5 caused by the collapse of the roof. It has no shape at all.
Hole number 8 is again a simple crack caused by the collapse of the roof. It even has four iron bars sticking out. For photographs, look up Carlo Mattogno's report mentioned below!

Mazal's hole number 3 is not visible at all. The authors presume the hole is under the rubble and therefore couldn't locate it!
Mazal's hole number 4, which would make Provan's hypothetical "hole number 9" (or 10) had he noticed it, is yet another crack in the roof. Pressac and van Pelt both excluded this hole and the rest of Provan's cracks and the two Soviet-made (2 & 7) holes as possible Zyklon-B introduction holes.

Here's the drawing from above, this time with two grey and two green marks:
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The green marks are the positions of the two objects on the "train photograph." At neither of those locations is there a hole in the roof. The grey mark on the right is Provan's hole number 2 (Mazal's hole number 1). The one on the left is Provan's hole number 7. Here's what Mazal and his ilk had to say about this hole: "Hole cut for unknown purpose in Crematorium II roof, likely after liberation in January 1945."
Unknown purpose? To the believers, perhaps, but they're lying to themselves.

In short, all the holes that can be found are irregularly shaped, show no crafted edges, are in the wrong locations, are of the wrong dimensions (including holes number 2 and 7 above) and some have iron bars sticking out of them. There are also no remains of any chimneys or any other protruding objects.

As for crematorium I in Auschwitz, it was converted into an air-raid shelter sometime after September 21st, 1944.

Here's an aerial photograph from April 4th, 1944:
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Here's one from August 25th, 1944:
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Notice no holes or vents on the roof, except for the two chimneys which even "believers" will tell you had nothing to do with Zyklon-B insertion holes or the "gas chamber" in general. The number of holes also varies; Rudolf Höss - one, Stanisław Jankowski and Hans Stark - two, Jean-Clause Pressac - three, Soviet commission for investigation - four, Mazal, Keren and McCarthy - five, Pery Broad and Filip Müller - six, Czesław Sułkowski, who supposedly made the holes himself and saw Russians being gassed - didn't know how many holes there were!

There is also a photo in Pressac's book:
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where there are supposedly three (four according to Mazal, with originally five(!) holes) black marks where the holes used to be (and later sealed), over which the Soviets "reconstructed" the vents. Here's what Pressac has to say:

This photograph proves that a dance was organized in 1945 on the roof of Krematorium I, and that people actually danced above the homicidal gas chamber. This episode appears almost unbelievable and sadly regrettable today, and the motives for it are not known.


Party on the roof of a building where thousands were supposedly gassed, how nice of the Soviets!

In reality, none of the reconstructed vents are in any of those locations! For more on this, look up "The Openings for the Introduction of Zyklon B - Part 1: The Roof of the Morgue of Crematorium I at Auschwitz" by Carlo Mattogno or "Auschwitz: Crematorium I and the Alleged Homicidal Gassings, chapter 6, The Openings for the Introduction of Zyklon B: Material Evidence" by Carlo Mattogno.

Now, to finish this with a quote by A. S. Marques from a letter to Zündel:

It appears, therefore, that the existing holes that can be found are false and the non-existing holes that cannot be found are true.


And remember, NO HOLES, NO HOLOCAUST!
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Re: Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom

Postby Random » 7 years 11 months ago (Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:15 pm)

Hannover wrote:Here is what is claimed to be an Zyklon-B insertion apparatus/column, notice the height of the section which would supposedly protrude above the 'gas chamber' roof.
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I have a question relating to these mesh columns, which I've never seen mentioned before, though you'll have to bare with my ignorance since I'm new.

If these mesh columns are where the pellets were poured into in the killing operation, then once they were used, how were the spent pellets removed, since there doesn't appear to be any illustration as to how this would be done.

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Postby Hannover » 7 years 11 months ago (Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:12 am)

Random:
I have a question relating to these mesh columns, which I've never seen mentioned before, though you'll have to bare with my ignorance since I'm new.

If these mesh columns are where the pellets were poured into in the killing operation, then once they were used, how were the spent pellets removed, since there doesn't appear to be any illustration as to how this would be done

The storyline, or at least the one that is promoted now, says that the Zyklon-B granules were withdrawn after a few minutes back up & outward through the 'little chimneys' / 'holes' in a basket enclosure. That lie has major complications for the Believers:

- the 2000 Jews supposedy waiting outside the 'gas chamber' door would notice the SS man on the roof, lowering and withdrawing the Zyklon-B
- the Jews would hardly be surprised into thinking they were about to get showers
- the cyanide would continue to out-gas for hours
- the alleged Jews would be gassed outside of the gas chamber as would all in the area
- the basket device itself would compact the Zyklon-B granules, adding time to the process of releasing it's cyanide load

see this thread for much more, lengthy but filled with good information:
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Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz

Remember, everything has to be force fitted to the alleged times spans and numbers that are alleged. The results are a storyline that is impossible. The liars have and still do count on people not thinking logically, scientifically, rationally about the claims. Hence the need for laws to prevent scutiny, hence the Jewish supremacist mandate of avoiding debate.

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Re: Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom

Postby Zulu » 7 years 11 months ago (Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:29 am)

I tried to obtain complete original sets of those aerial photos from USHMM without success.
Where are those documents stored actually?
Have you more information about requests for having access to that genuine material and its location?

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Postby Hannover » 7 years 11 months ago (Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:52 pm)

Zulu wrote:I tried to obtain complete original sets of those aerial photos from USHMM without success.
Where are those documents stored actually?
Have you more information about requests for having access to that genuine material and its location?

Try contacting John Ball:
http://www.air-photo.com/index.php

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Postby Charles Traynor » 7 years 11 months ago (Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:12 am)

The U.S. National Archive has the photographs. They will blow them up to whatever size you require. David McCalden and Andrew Allen used poster sized versions in their 1980’s Holocaust Revisited trilogy.

http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/

Type ‘Auschwitz’ into the search field.
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Re: Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom

Postby Zulu » 7 years 11 months ago (Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:17 am)

Charles Traynor wrote:The U.S. National Archive has the photographs. They will blow them up to whatever size you require. David McCalden and Andrew Allen used poster sized versions in their 1980’s Holocaust Revisited trilogy.

http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/

Type ‘Auschwitz’ into the search field.

I tried this, however I am afraid that the aerial photos offered there are not actually genuine. In fact that site releases the "filtered" aerial photos from the CIA and eventually "modified" by that organization e.g. by adding labels on them.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/c98sr75
That is NOT a genuine photo because they are labels added on it - and why not other things? - by CIA's boys. AFAIK it seems that all the photos available at that archives' site are of that sort, from the CIA, thus with no guarantee of authenticity.
What I mean by GENUINE sets of photos are sets of aerial photos "as taken" by the pilots before their "treatment" by other hands. That means photos obtained DIRECTLY from the negatives or, better, a digital copy of the negatives. For instance, do you know a source for that same aerial photo of A-B taken on 08/25/1944 WITHOUT those biased CIA's labels on it?
Do you think that it exists ONLY ONE photo available from a set of photos taken on days like 08/25/1944 and others? Aren't they SEVERAL takes on the same roll? That is what I mean by having access to the COMPLETE GENUINE sets of aerial photos taken of A-B from ALL observation raids performed during WWII...

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Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 11 months ago (Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:20 am)

I don't have the specialist knowledge to make a useful contribution on this specific topic, but it does seem to me that if you are reduced to the interpretation of some barely visible smudges on a document that may or may not have been tampered with, in order to determine whether a million people were murdered, not even in some remote neck of the woods, but in a camp of some tens of thousands of people, with constant comings and goings, the basis of the original allegation cannot have been substantial!

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Re: Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom

Postby Kurland » 7 years 11 months ago (Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:35 am)

Kingfisher wrote:I don't have the specialist knowledge to make a useful contribution on this specific topic, but it does seem to me that if you are reduced to the interpretation of some barely visible smudges on a document that may or may not have been tampered with, in order to determine whether a million people were murdered, not even in some remote neck of the woods, but in a camp of some tens of thousands of people, with constant comings and goings, the basis of the original allegation cannot have been substantial!


A most crucial point. I am working as part of a project now investigating never before seen Auschwitz photographs -aerial & ground- and have helped discover some crucial facts ignored by believers but missed by revisionists. Look for the production sometime next year.

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