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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:19 am)

He has a website, you might try e-mailing him there. Ofcourse, the photos are available at the US National Archives.....which is the salient point.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:35 am)

Hebden wrote:
Hannover wrote:The photo is available from the U.S. National Archives and is listed as: GX 3938 SG, exposure 105.

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Where is Mr. Ball available?

With Mr. Hebden one gets often the feeling of being interrogated.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:27 pm)

Right. If you can't refute the message, then go after the messenger.

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:43 am)

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Where is Mr. Ball available?


With Mr. Hebden one gets often the feeling of being interrogated.


Without wishing to shine a lamp in your face, would you please address the following?:

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Report #97 mentions the planned execution of 20 Jews in response to the destruction of the whole inner city of Kiev by some partisans.


We were not aware of this. Do you have the text of this report?

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:45 am)

Hannover wrote:He has a website, you might try e-mailing him there. Ofcourse, the photos are available at the US National Archives.....which is the salient point.

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We're disputing he has a website. Air-photo.com is run by someone else. It's about time Mr. Ball was called to account.

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 2:57 am)

Hebden:

Most websites have a separate Webmaster who 'run' the site, as in technical maintenance. Ball's site is his site...he decides the content, he calls the shots, he has a Webmaster.

The photo posted has been fully referenced to the US National Archives.

Your attack on John Ball is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:14 am)

Hebden wrote:
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Where is Mr. Ball available?


With Mr. Hebden one gets often the feeling of being interrogated.


Without wishing to shine a lamp in your face, would you please address the following?:

Quote:
Report #97 mentions the planned execution of 20 Jews in response to the destruction of the whole inner city of Kiev by some partisans.


We were not aware of this. Do you have the text of this report?

Yes, I have the English version. It is in Arad's book "The Einsatzgruppen Reports".

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 11:04 am)

Sailor wrote:Yes, I have the English version.
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Very good. May we see it, please?

Note that we're still in 'good cop' mode.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 11:41 am)

Hebden wrote:
Sailor wrote:Yes, I have the English version.
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Very good. May we see it, please?

Note that we're still in 'good cop' mode.


Certainly.

You can buy the book at amazon.com. It is not that expensive: About $10.- new, second hand probably for less than $5.-. And at the public libray you may even be able to borrow it for free. Look for pages 164 and 165 in the book.

They usually have all the hoaxer books. (which cannot be said about books from the other side, which express a different opinion about the Holocaust).

And while you are at it, could you find out for us why the Einsatzgruppen Reports # 98 and #99 which would cover the very days of the alleged massacre, are missing in Arad's book?

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:20 pm)

Hebden:

Any personal attacks on John Ball will not be permitted here. It is irrelevant to the subject matter as has been demonstrated.

Your off topic post has been deleted.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 3:56 pm)

Hebden wrote: We remain in 'good cop' mode even if Mr. Sailor seems to prefer the whip and the alcohol.
Would you please reproduce here the English language text of OSR 97, as given in the book The Einsatzgruppen Reports?

You mean whether I would transcribe the text from the book to this forum? And Why would I want to do a thing like that? I am not your flunky.

Go ahead, make your point, don’t be shy! Commit yourself to an opinion for a change.

And tell us about those missing ER# 98 and #99. You seem to try to avoid that.

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:18 pm)

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Hebden wrote: We remain in 'good cop' mode even if Mr. Sailor seems to prefer the whip and the alcohol.
Would you please reproduce here the English language text of OSR 97, as given in the book The Einsatzgruppen Reports?


You mean whether I would transcribe the text from the book to this forum? And Why would I want to do a thing like that? I am not your flunky.


Mr. Sailor, don't be impertinent. It's really not your style. You made the claim that OSR 97 states that 20 Jews were to be executed in reprisal for the mining of Kiev. If you have the source, you are duty bound to provide it, especially since we asked so nicely.

Go ahead, make your point, don’t be shy! Commit yourself to an opinion for a change.


We take a low opinion of your attempts to provoke us.

And tell us about those missing ER# 98 and #99. You seem to try to avoid that.
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Quid pro quo.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:30 pm)

Hebden wrote: Mr. Sailor, don't be impertinent. It's really not your style. You made the claim that OSR 97 states that 20 Jews were to be executed in reprisal for the mining of Kiev. If you have the source, you are duty bound to provide it, especially since we asked so nicely.


Because you asked so nicely:

From ER#97, according to the referenced source, page 165:
“Garrison commander advocates public execution of 20 Jews”

Now, what is your opinion about Babi Jar?

And the missing ER# 98 and #99?

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Postby Hebden » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:36 am)

Sailor wrote:
Hebden wrote: Mr. Sailor, don't be impertinent. It's really not your style. You made the claim that OSR 97 states that 20 Jews were to be executed in reprisal for the mining of Kiev. If you have the source, you are duty bound to provide it, especially since we asked so nicely.


Because you asked so nicely:

From ER#97, according to the referenced source, page 165:
“Garrison commander advocates public execution of 20 Jews”

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May we have the entire relevant quote, please?

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Nov 01, 2003 10:06 am)

Hebden wrote:
Sailor wrote:
Hebden wrote: Mr. Sailor, don't be impertinent. It's really not your style. You made the claim that OSR 97 states that 20 Jews were to be executed in reprisal for the mining of Kiev. If you have the source, you are duty bound to provide it, especially since we asked so nicely.


Because you asked so nicely:

From ER#97, according to the referenced source, page 165:
“Garrison commander advocates public execution of 20 Jews”

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May we have the entire relevant quote, please?

What "entire relevant quote" are you talking about? That is it.

If you mean the complete text, it is in Arad's book as I have already told you several times. You will have to either invest a little money to buy it or invest some time to go to the library yourself to borrow it.

Sorry, Mr. Hebden. There is no other way.

Subject closed.

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