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The Transfer Agreement

Postby Charles Krafft » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:01 pm)

Here are two hours of streaming evidence of Zionist/Nazi collaboration in the establishment of a homeland for the Jews in Palestine during WWII. This conveniently forgotten collaboration was called "The Transfer Agreement."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... jim+condit

I recently read the epilogue in Tony Judt's NYT bestseller
"POSTWAR: A History of Europe Since l945." It's as
bold a piece of hamfisted Holocaustianity as I've run
across lately. The epilogue's title is "From The House
of the Dead." In it he proclaims, "The recovered memory of
Europe's dead Jews has become the very definition and guarantee of the
continent's restored humanity."

Excuse me, but 37,000,OOO died on the Eastern Front
and throughout Europe during that war. According to Judt's
ethnocentric world view, the "recovered memory" of the
other 31,000,00O victims (if you believe in the 6,000,000) apparently account for nothing there today.

-whodareswings

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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby Godfred » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 12, 2014 4:08 pm)

I'll bump thread this since I feel this Haavara (or transfer) agreement is quite revealing about the na-zi/zionist collaboration and what really happened in the holocaust (I use the word in honour of the innocent jews who died) .

That summer, Eichmann met in Vienna with another Mossad representative, Bar-Gilead, who requested permission to set up training camps for emigrants so they could be prepared for their work in Palestine. Consulting with Berlin, Eichmann was granted permission to supply all that was needed to facilitate the Zionist training program. Pina Ginsburg in Berlin, working with Nazi authorities set up training camps.

The leaders of Zionism and the Third Reich collaborated in their effort to force the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. The Nazis found a Final Solution to their problem and Zionists succeeded in skewing the demographics of Palestine toward a Jewish majority. Camps were built; money was confiscated and transferred to Zionist banks in Palestine to circumvent the British barriers to Jews. The discriminatory round-up of German Jews and their persecution was planned and implemented with the consent and collaboration of Jews who called proudly called themselves "Zionist."


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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby hermod » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 12, 2014 6:11 pm)

Godfred wrote:I'll bump thread this since I feel this Haavara (or transfer) agreement is quite revealing about the na-zi/zionist collaboration and what really happened in the holocaust (I use the word in honour of the innocent jews who died) .


IMO, the Transfer Agreement and Hitler's 60,000 Haavara Jews (from 1933 to 1939) are overemphasized today in order to make the Israelis look like "Nazis" (not real Nazis, but the cartoonish Nazi monsters of the Holo-fable who exist in today's Western folklore) and Hitler as Israël's real founding father for anti-Zionist purposes. This theory seems very popular among the "truthseekers" who believe in the 'Holocaust' (most of them believe that Hitler was a Zionist puppet who perpetrated the 'Holocaust' to make the birth of the state of Israël possible) and the people who dislike Israël for any reason.

Hundreds of thousands of Jews had settled in Palestine before the Transfer Agreement. And hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Jews settled there after. Even the very restrictive British 1939 White paper stipulated that Jewish immigration to Palestine was to be limited to 15,000 a year. So I don't see how Hitler's 10,000 Haavara Jews per year were a major factor in the subsequent establisment of the Israeli state as cliamed by some people. That just sounds like another Reductio ad Hitlerum - Hitler=evil (see the 'Holocaust', etc.), Hitler=Israël's founding father (when overemphasizing the Haavara agreement), so Israël=evil - to me. Nowadays, every time somebody wants to demonize something, he/she just says "Hitler did it" and the debate is over.
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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby Godfred » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 12, 2014 7:16 pm)

hermod wrote:IMO, the Transfer Agreement and Hitler's 60,000 Haavara Jews (from 1933 to 1939) are overemphasized today in order to make the Israelis look like "Nazis" (not real Nazis, but the cartoonish Nazi monsters of the Holo-fable who exist in today's Western folklore) and Hitler as Israël's real founding father for anti-Zionist purposes. This theory seems very popular among the "truthseekers" who believe in the 'Holocaust' (most of them believe that Hitler was a Zionist puppet who perpetrated the 'Holocaust' to make the birth of the state of Israël possible) and the people who dislike Israël for any reason.


Well I'm not sure what Hitler was or wasn't (I'm neither a hitlerist, as Zundel called it in the interview with the Israeli journalist, or zionist). Still, there would be no Israel as of today without the 2. world war. The Israelis are also propably one of the most ethnocentric (even national socialist or "nazi") people on earth today. . Anyway, the topic is the Transfer Agreement, not who Hitler was or was'nt.

Here's the article from the codoh library (so we stay on topic).

As a result of the Agreement, German exports arrived in Palestine at bargain prices with the help of Jewish capital and Jewish commercial assistance. The Agreement also made it possible to settle a large number of German Jews in Palestine. Goods worth a total of 139.5 million Reichsmark were transferred by 1939. Only the outbreak of war in September 1939 ended the transfer practice.


http://codoh.com/library/document/892/

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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby cold beer » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 12, 2014 8:12 pm)

Charles Krafft wrote:Here are two hours of streaming evidence of Zionist/Nazi collaboration in the establishment of a homeland for the Jews in Palestine during WWII. This conveniently forgotten collaboration was called "The Transfer Agreement."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... jim+condit

I recently read the epilogue in Tony Judt's NYT bestseller
"POSTWAR: A History of Europe Since l945." It's as
bold a piece of hamfisted Holocaustianity as I've run
across lately. The epilogue's title is "From The House
of the Dead." In it he proclaims, "The recovered memory of
Europe's dead Jews has become the very definition and guarantee of the
continent's restored humanity."

Excuse me, but 37,000,OOO died on the Eastern Front
and throughout Europe during that war. According to Judt's
ethnocentric world view, the "recovered memory" of the
other 31,000,00O victims (if you believe in the 6,000,000) apparently account for nothing there today.

-whodareswings

This comes as no surprise because they view and promote themselves as:
a) humanity's moral compass
b) the most important component in the development of civilized society

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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby cold beer » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 12, 2014 8:52 pm)

hermod wrote:
IMO, the Transfer Agreement and Hitler's 60,000 Haavara Jews (from 1933 to 1939) are overemphasized today in order to make the Israelis look like "Nazis" (not real Nazis, but the cartoonish Nazi monsters of the Holo-fable who exist in today's Western folklore) and Hitler as Israël's real founding father for anti-Zionist purposes. This theory seems very popular among the "truthseekers" who believe in the 'Holocaust' (most of them believe that Hitler was a Zionist puppet who perpetrated the 'Holocaust' to make the birth of the state of Israël possible) and the people who dislike Israël for any reason.

Hundreds of thousands of Jews had settled in Palestine before the Transfer Agreement. And hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Jews settled there after. Even the very restrictive British 1939 White paper stipulated that Jewish immigration to Palestine was to be limited to 15,000 a year. So I don't see how Hitler's 10,000 Haavara Jews per year were a major factor in the subsequent establisment of the Israeli state as cliamed by some people. That just sounds like another Reductio ad Hitlerum - Hitler=evil (see the 'Holocaust', etc.), Hitler=Israël's founding father (when overemphasizing the Haavara agreement), so Israël=evil - to me. Nowadays, every time somebody wants to demonize something, he/she just says "Hitler did it" and the debate is over.

I have very little knowledge of the details of this Transfer Agreement, but enough to comment to this extent...
The existence of this agreement does confirm what the Nazis claimed all along, that their primary objective with the Jews was to remove them from Europe.
I am aware of the attempt to incorporate this agreement into a larger scheme involving a program of extermination which by some strained logic was designed to facilitate the creation of the state of Israel.

I have no clue what the motives are behind this narrative
On one hand it helps substantiate the holocaust claim (at least attempts to) but on the other hand seems to directly implicate the Zionists themselves.

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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby Godfred » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 13, 2014 4:55 am)

I posted this newspaper article in another thread, as I couldn't find this thread. I'll post it again here, with another quote..

As a result, the Hitler government vigorously supported Zionism’s proposal for Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until 1940-41. So thorough was the collaboration that the SS became particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism’s transfer agreement. SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official Kurt Tuchler and their wives toured Palestine together for six months to assess Zionist development there. Based on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff that appeared in late 1934 under the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine," praising the success of the transfer agreement.

The publishers of Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a swastika on one side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint SS-Zionist visit.


This "A Nazi Travels to Palestine" article together with the "Ein nazi fährt nach Palestine"-medal seems to disprove the widely (?) held belief that the national socialists never called themselves "nazis", BTW.

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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby hermod » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 13, 2014 10:04 am)

Godfred wrote:
hermod wrote:IMO, the Transfer Agreement and Hitler's 60,000 Haavara Jews (from 1933 to 1939) are overemphasized today in order to make the Israelis look like "Nazis" (not real Nazis, but the cartoonish Nazi monsters of the Holo-fable who exist in today's Western folklore) and Hitler as Israël's real founding father for anti-Zionist purposes. This theory seems very popular among the "truthseekers" who believe in the 'Holocaust' (most of them believe that Hitler was a Zionist puppet who perpetrated the 'Holocaust' to make the birth of the state of Israël possible) and the people who dislike Israël for any reason.


Well I'm not sure what Hitler was or wasn't (I'm neither a hitlerist, as Zundel called it in the interview with the Israeli journalist, or zionist). Still, there would be no Israel as of today without the 2. world war. The Israelis are also propably one of the most ethnocentric (even national socialist or "nazi") people on earth today. . Anyway, the topic is the Transfer Agreement, not who Hitler was or was'nt.

Here's the article from the codoh library (so we stay on topic).

As a result of the Agreement, German exports arrived in Palestine at bargain prices with the help of Jewish capital and Jewish commercial assistance. The Agreement also made it possible to settle a large number of German Jews in Palestine. Goods worth a total of 139.5 million Reichsmark were transferred by 1939. Only the outbreak of war in September 1939 ended the transfer practice.


http://codoh.com/library/document/892/


I didn't say that the Nazis didn't collaborate with Germany's Zionists. They both had a similar goal: making Jews leave Germany. And it's true there would be no Israël today without the 2 world wars. But it's irrelevant, as the Kaiser didn't want WW1 and the Führer didn't want WW2. WW1 was the result of a Serbian-Russian Panslavist plot. And WW2 was the result of a trap laid by the Capitalist democracies with Poland used as a trigger and a pretext.

"The state of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was not contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all" (Pr. AJP Taylor, The Origins of the Second World War, p.267)

"Even in 1939 the German army was not equipped for a prolonged war; and in 1940 the German land forces were inferior to the French in everything except leadership" (Pr. AJP Taylor, The Origins of the Second World War, p.104-5)

"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit." - Winston Churchill, letter to Lord Robert Boothby

"We made a monster, a devil out of Hitler. Therefore we couldn't disavow it after the war. After all, we mobilized the masses against the devil himself. So we were forced to play our part in this diabolic scenario after the war. In no way we could have pointed out to our people that the war only was an economic preventive measure." - US foreign minister James Baker (1992)

"Not the political doctrine of Hitler has hurled us into this war. The reason was the success of his increase in building a new economy. The roots of war were envy, greed and fear." - British historian Major General J.F.C. Fuller

"During the entire period of the telegram war, in 1939-1940, lengthy negotiations took place between the German and British foreign ministries, in which the British suggested to cancel the war if Germany would reinstate the gold standard and reintroduce interest rates." - Lieutenant-Colonel J. Creagh Scott, 11 August 1947, Chelsea Town Hall, London

Israël wasn't founded by the Transfer Agreement, but by the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire (WW1) and the Holohoax (WW2).

"It (the war) would spread to the Middle East , where things of great significance to Political Zionism would occur." - Baron Edmond de Rothschild (“Father of the [Jewish] Settlement [in Palestine]”) to Dr. Chaim Weizmann (future President of the World Zionist Organization and first President of Israël), at the outbreak of World War 1.
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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby Godfred » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 13, 2014 12:05 pm)

Ingrid Zundel has written on the Haavara agreement:

As already mentioned, the main goal of Germany’s Jewish policy was to encourage the Jews to emigrate. After the beginning of the international Jewish boycott against German goods in March 1933, the Jewish community in Palestine contacted the German government and offered a break in the boycott as far as Palestine was concerned provided it was combined with Jewish emigration from Germany. As a result, the “Haavara” or “Transfer” agreement was signed by the Germans and Jews in May 1933. [note 3] The Jewish community thus concluded an extremely beneficial agreement with the National Socialist government only a few months after its formation. This agreement was a crucial phase in the creation of the State of Israel. When I made this claim in my book Feuerzeichen, which appeared in 1981, some readers considered it outrageous. [note 4] But then this same claim was made in The Transfer Agreement, a book by Edwin Black published in 1984. The final paragraph of his book concludes with the statement that the continuing economic relationship between the Jewish community of Palestine and National Socialist Germany was “an indispendable factor in the creation of the State of’ Israel.” [note 5]


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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby Godfred » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 13, 2014 12:18 pm)

Weber has written an article for the Journal of Historical Review where he mentions the German view on the agreement.

A December 1937 internal memorandum by the German Interior Ministry reviewed the impact of the Transfer Agreement: "There is no doubt that the Haavara arrangement has contributed most significantly to the very rapid development of Palestine since 1933. The Agreement provided not only the largest source of money (from Germany!), but also the most intelligent group of immigrants, and finally it brought to the country the machines and industrial products essential for development." The main advantage of the pact, the memo reported, was the emigration of large numbers of Jews to Palestine, the most desirable target country as far as Germany was concerned. But the paper also noted the important drawbacks pointed out by Consul Döhle and others. The Interior Minister, it went on, had concluded that the disadvantages of the agreement now outweighed the advantages and that, therefore, it should be terminated. /36......Hitler personally reviewed the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and each time decided to maintain the Haavara arrangement.


http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby Godfred » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 13, 2014 12:27 pm)

Josef Ginsburg, the jewish witness for Zündel in his 1988 holocaust trial, has commented on the Eichmann& the Haavara in an interview. It was released only after his death, as promised to him.

"So, innocence can be deadly," I said. "Yes," he agreed, "the guilty know why they should cover their tracks and they know how to do it."

"So what was Eichmann's role in German Nazi-Zionazi collaboration?" I asked.

"He worked with Joel Brandt and others to smuggle Jews out of Europe and into Palestine, against the wishes of the British who governed the territory under a mandate."

"Would Eichmann have known about the Ha'arev or Transfer Agreement which allowed Jews emigrating from Germany to take their wealth with them in the form of German-made goods?" I asked.

"Another reason for his judicial murder," said Ginsburg.


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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby borjastick » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 13, 2014 1:51 pm)

All this is well and good but never forget that the hardline Zionists in Germany pre-war were working alongside Hitler's government to ensure they had some 'skin in the game'. In other words they were anxious, on one hand, to ensure the exit of jews to Palestine but wanted to ensure these were 'worth something to the state of israel'. They were quite happy that there was a price to pay by the jewish community and blood would be spilled.

This attitude carried on surprisingly after the so called holocaust and death camps were in full flow. Indeed in 1943 the 'Memorandum of the Rescue Committee of the Jewish Agency' made it clear that it was happy to lose 80% of all jews to save the 20% who could be of use to the future state of israel.

- Seventh Million by Segev.

For a very good detailed view of how the state of Israel came about and the specifics of Zionism, its leaders, their relationship with the nazi government and the holocaust read The Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garaudy. It's a must read for any revisionist.
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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby hermod » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 13, 2014 10:59 pm)

I don't doubt that the Haavara Agreement helped to develop the primitive Jewish communities in Palestine. But the state of Israël wasn't created because Palestine was economically developed in the late 1940's. It was created because the "Holocaust" had allegedly occured and America's powerful Zionists pressured the UN for the establishment of that new state. I don't see why many Zionists would have worked so hard for the emergence of their beloved holo-fable as a sacred state 'truth' if money had been enough for the birth of the state of Israël. Israël has never been an agrarian state. It has always been a Holohoax-state living on steams of money from abroad, mainly post-war Germany ("reparations") and the USA.

I find Ingrid Zündel's view on the Haavara Agreement being “a crucial phase in the creation of the State of Israel” rather laughable and naive. Ironically, Edwin Black had the idea to write his book on the Haavara Agreement when interviewing the lawyer of Frank Collin's fake "Nazis" in 1978. And the way his parents allegedly survived the "Holocaust" is a good laugh in itself. Claiming the state of Israël was born because of the flow of some 60,000 Jews and $100 million into Jewish Palestine from 1933 to 1939 sounds like a joke when knowing how many billions of dollars flew into the new state of Israël during the decades following WW2 (see the end of Garaudy's book). In 1967, Pinchas Sapir, the Israeli Minister of Finance and Minister of Trade and Industry, revealed that the state of Israël got 7 billion dollars from abroad between 1949 and 1966, or around 412 million dollars every year, what makes the Haavara 16.6 million dollars per year look very insignificant.
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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby borjastick » 6 years 9 months ago (Wed May 14, 2014 1:18 am)

Good points hermod. My father was in the Royal Irish Fusiliers (a British infantry regiment) and was stationed in several Palestinian areas including Tel Aviv, Netanya and others from 1945-1947. During this time he was on security detail with the Palestine land department (hardly needed if it were a backward and undeveloped state), he was also there on the coast and port of Netanya.

He doesn't take my holocaust revisionist viewpoint at all, in fact he thinks I am slightly barking, but he does recall the daily onslaught of hundred of ships arriving and disgorging their human cargo of jews from eastern europe. This is the point that actually proves to him the holocaust. His and other units were deployed to manage the immigrants and try to register and move them into the country. This proved an almost impossible task.

The backlash from local Arabs was pretty strong but nothing like the aggression of the Jews once they got their claws into the zionist vision of Israel to come.

This was of course way after the Transfer Agreement but I am trying to prove that the state of Palestine was well developed and operational, it wasn't a grubby dust bowl full of wailing arabs!
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Re: The Transfer Agreement

Postby Godfred » 6 years 9 months ago (Fri May 30, 2014 7:05 pm)

hermod wrote:I don't doubt that the Haavara Agreement helped to develop the primitive Jewish communities in Palestine. But the state of Israël wasn't created because Palestine was economically developed in the late 1940's. It was created because the "Holocaust" had allegedly occured and America's powerful Zionists pressured the UN for the establishment of that new state. I don't see why many Zionists would have worked so hard for the emergence of their beloved holo-fable as a sacred state 'truth' if money had been enough for the birth of the state of Israël ...


The six million had to be sacrificed/cleaned in burning fire (or something like that) to fulfill their profecies, as far as I have understood.

http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... c_228.html

.....Claiming the state of Israël was born because of the flow of some 60,000 Jews and $100 million into Jewish Palestine from 1933 to 1939 sounds like a joke when knowing how many billions of dollars flew into the new state of Israël during the decades following WW2 (see the end of Garaudy's book). In 1967, Pinchas Sapir, the Israeli Minister of Finance and Minister of Trade and Industry, revealed that the state of Israël got 7 billion dollars from abroad between 1949 and 1966, or around 412 million dollars every year, what makes the Haavara 16.6 million dollars per year look very insignificant.


100 million in 1935 is some 1,74 billion dollars today, adjusted to inflation. There were also many major industries that were created through this agreement.

Several major industrial enterprises were built with the capital from Germany, including the Mekoroth waterworks and the Lodzia textile firm. The influx of Ha'avara goods and capital produced an economic explosion in Jewish Palestine....


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