Treblinka: my review of the human remnants

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Treblinka: my review of the human remnants

Postby Pauvre France » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:56 pm)

In March of 1943, the opening of the mass graves began. The dead were disinterred, removed to the grates and burned. After the incineration, the ashes which had fallen through were removed by the ash kommando and then sifted with any remaining bones pulverized by hand or returned to the fires for further reducing.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/Treblinka/appendixd/


We see that the whole operation was aimed at a thorough disposal of the bones. One wonders why Germans did not dispose of the thinly and painfully obtained ashes in any nearby river, but let's say that they were in a hurry, that there were too many ashes produced, that they did not want the Polish population to see these ashes, or as usual in WW2 genocidal matters that they were somewhat bird-minded. They prefered to re-bury the ashes at the very spot of the genocide.

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In addition, at Treblinka at least, machines were used to crush the bones of the bodies so that no trace would be left. But it did not always work. Sixteen years later, in 1959, historian Martin Gilbert had the following experience on a visit to Treblinka:

I stepped down from the cart on to the sandy soil; a soil that was gray rather than brown. Driven by I know not what impulse, I ran my hand through that soil, again and again. The earth beneath my feet was coarse and sharp: filled with fragments of human bone.(28)
http://www.holocaust-history.org/operation-reinhard/


Martin Gilbert was not very inquisitive, to say the least. He was a man of unexplained impulse, yet he was unattached to explainable curiosity. Indeed, the first thing I would have done would have been to pick up a spade and to dig out from the soil, which was by providence still grayish and not yet covered with sediments 14 years later, some of these fragments lying so close under the surface, and then to shoot a few pictures for the world to see.

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But more interesting are these three pictures which were taken in 1945 as written here (http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/lasttracks.html), and supposedly in Treblinka.

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I see earth with bones onto. I also see that there was already some vegetation already growing back.

1) The bones are remarkably harmoniously scattered on these pictures. But let's say that the photographer centered his shoots well, or even that he moved a few bones in order to get a better view. That would not have been very blamable. I wonder why there is a piece of clothes on the third though (????).

2) Above all, the bones are simply NOT CRUSHED. Not poorly crushed, not partially crushed, they appear NOT CRUSHED AT ALL. And not burnt apparently. I see one full crania, plenty of intact femurs, many intact or nearly intact ribs, and one very discernable pelvis.
The bones we see did not pass through the bone-crushing process, by all evidence.

But I do not pretend to be a specialist. So does anybody know what professional revisionists have to say about these pictures, which are strange by me?
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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:34 pm)

There were two Treblinkas. Treblinka I, a gravel quarry some distance from both Treblinka town and the alleged death camp, was a hard labor prison for Poles, mainly common criminals, though it's alleged that some politicals made it there too. Not much is known about it, there are no depositions from former prisoners, and even things like who the Kommandant was, or how many were sentenced there, or what the population of the camp was, is either unknown or buried in other accounts. A good book or article on Treblinka I is desperately needed.

Treblinka II was the alleged death camp.

If you look at Graf and Mattagno's book on Treblinka, you'll find that nobody disputes that the Soviet's found graves near the gravel quarry. I forget how many, but it wasn't a huge number. The bodies they found had not been cremated, and were buried in good order.

If these pictures are from Treblinka, they have to be pictures from the graves found near Treblinka I, which means, among other things, they can't be Jews. I note among other things, the pelvis shown is still articulated, indicating that the body it belonged to was buried intact, and not disturbed until exhumed. The bones shown may or may not be victims of Nazi oppression, more likely convicts who died as a result of the hard labor regimen, something which, in 1943, was just as likely to occur in the French prison at Devil's Island or an American chain gang in Georgia.

Needless to say, the pictures shown are not proof of any Holocaust, or state program of extermination.

The only other thing - the soil looks wrong. Treblinka is in farmland, this soil is sandy, and doesn't quite look right for the area. Of course, being in the neighborhood of a quarry, maybe the soil has been worked a little, without a wider panorama of the area, I can't tell.

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Postby Sirius » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:41 pm)

I don't know about these things, but could bones look that clean after only two years of decomposing? Also it seems a bit strange to suppose the Nazis left some corpses just lying around like that, unburied.

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Postby simon1003 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:05 am)

Is it just me or do those pictures look like they've been taken in a desert or very dry area and not a temperate climate like Poland's?

And the bones look sun-bleached.

No evidence whatsoever to connect this with Treblinka.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:09 am)

The above pictures are a big laugh.

Nothing more than bones thrown around in the hopes of duping the clueless.

Notice we see none of the surrounding area, we see nothing to even prove the photos, staged as they are, were taken at Treblinka ... nothing.

It's absurd to think that the Germans, who were supposed to have completely hid the alleged evidence, left this behind. What the storyline says is that ca. 900,000 Jews were dumped into a humongous pit and buried, the corpses were then supposedly exhumed and cremated to hide the evidence. Take notice that the alleged pit (and what a pit it would be to hold 900,000) has not/cannot be shown to even exist, which should be easy, even after being filled in. 'holocaust' Revisionism would disappear overnight if they could produce the evidence.

And of course, if the above photos were true, judeo-supremacists would welcome excavations. Instead, they prevent them.

Notice below that the supposed location of the alleged pit is curiously covered with solid iron. Can't excavate there:

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And boulders set in place, how convenient, can't excavate there either:

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see:
Concealing the Lack of Evidence at Treblinka
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2712

Yet we're required to believe the absurd nonsense said about Treblinka.

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Postby Tiberius » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:15 pm)

simon1003:
Is it just me or do those pictures look like they've been taken in a desert or very dry area and not a temperate climate like Poland's?


Most of western Europe has a rather maritime climate, but Polands climate could slightly resemble a more continental climate: cold winters and long, hot summers. I think it’s possible to find places in Poland, and around Treblinka, that look like the pictures.

Hannover is absolutely right. Could be staged and probably is.

A picture proves nothing. They need a little bit more evidence.

Consider how easy it is to stage such a picture: Take a few bones, scatter them around, shoot the picture and claim it’s an atrocity of your favourite enemy. You can even bribe a few people to pose as eyewitnesses. We could just as easily claim the Poles did it, or the Russians.

Every proof must be judged by how easy it is to fake it and whether anybody has a motive / incentive to fake proofs.

The whole holocaust story works with such innuendos: They show a picture with human bones, without much explanation, and everybody assumes the Nazis did it. Because there were evil. Most people don’t think about such things, they don’t investigate things that are ‘common knowledge’.
Psychologists know that humans make most of their decisions not by thinking about them, but by letting their emotions decide. It’s an evolutionary energy saving mechanism. People think what they think most other people think.

Seeing is believing. A picture appeals directly to your emotions and evades rational thinking. That’s why propagandists around the world use pictures. And the US are the masters of visual propaganda (Hollywood).

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Postby driansmith » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:55 pm)

LOL,. what does a bone crushing machine look like? Do any Holohoax websites have pictures of them?

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:53 pm)

To me, the terrain looks like that of a quarry, with the ground having been recently churned up with new vegetation beginning to grow. There is similar terrain all around where I live, although in my case it is clay.
I think that unless the Nazis tore the bodies limb from limb before burying them, we would be more likely to see the parts of fairly intact skeletons prodruding from the ground.
There can't be the remains of more than a few people there, and they don't look like the exposed visible part of a greater number of bodies buried below; they look more like bones strewn over the ground. Look at the top photo. The bones are lying on top of the vegetation, and that pelvis looks like it's had just a shovel-full of dirt put on top of it.

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Postby polardude » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:31 pm)

It is always the evidence that is presented rather than the lack of evidence per se that convinces me that the Treblinka narrative is a fraud.

The Treblinka narrative revolves around numerous gigantic mass graves 10 meters deep and 50 metres long and 25 meters wide (Wiernik).

The excavations shown in these pictures are comparatively small.

More significantly, in at least this picture.

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the vegetation shown on the far right and left of the image appears to have growing undisturbed for several years.

If there really were gigantic mass graves in Treblinka these photos can not possibly represent them

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:29 am)

Richard Perle wrote:There can't be the remains of more than a few people there


I see one, maybe possibly two pelvic girdles.

Considering there are 200 plus bones in the human body, this looks like the remains of only two, possibly three people.

Look at the remains of the clothing. Supposedly, even the bodies buried at the Treblinka I quarry were stripped.

Using the femur in the left-hand side as a ruler (a femur is about 1/3 the height of a human body), the excavation is approximately 12 feet by 12 feet. Doesn't look very deep.

That femur is badly curved. Somebody with rickets?

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:10 pm)

As Mr. Moran rightfully says, "Two guys with a shovel could solve this mystery quite simply", or something along those lines!

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:28 am)

driansmith wrote:LOL,. what does a bone crushing machine look like? Do any Holohoax websites have pictures of them?


Not as I know of.

There supposedly were no such machines at Treblinka. The "witnesses" claims that all the bones from the 750-870 000 killed were crushed by hand using tin metal sheets...

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:21 am)

driansmith wrote:LOL,. what does a bone crushing machine look like? Do any Holohoax websites have pictures of them?


Yeah, the Soviets took a picture of one when they overan Lvov, I've lost track of it, but it's there.

It looked genuine enough, similar to the ones they have in modern crematoriums, like a giant rock tumbling machine. There's a spinning bin with steel balls in it that mills bones into splinters.

A crematorium with a bone-crushing machine doesn't prove anything one way or another, except that it was a well-equipped crematorium.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:08 am)

LOL,. what does a bone crushing machine look like? Do any Holohoax websites have pictures of them?

Here is an alleged German bone crushing machine, much like the pictures of German diesel trucks laughably claimed to be 'gas vans'. And don't forget the pictures of spoons & buttons said to be proof of alleged German gassings at Belzec.
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Postby Tiberius » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:45 am)

Playwright wrote:
It looked genuine enough, similar to the ones they have in modern crematoriums, like a giant rock tumbling machine. There's a spinning bin with steel balls in it that mills bones into splinters.

Hannover wrote:
Here is an alleged German bone crushing machine,(…)

At least it looks like a spinning bin. It could be some kind of prehistoric bone crushing machine.
I agree with Playwright:
A crematorium with a bone-crushing machine doesn't prove anything one way or another, except that it was a well-equipped crematorium.

How many bones from how many people can you crush with such a machine in one day?
Not more than a few, but not enough to get rid of the bones of thousands of victims per day. Ridiculous.


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