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Zyklon-B & Sonderkommando

Postby jankren » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:12 pm)

Hi,

I have a couple questions

First, I heard that the reason there was no chemical stain in the alleged gas chambers is because unlike Cyanide, Zyklon-B leaves no such a stain, therefore people are confused between Cyanide and Zyklon-B. So my question is, is this true?

My second question is that according to the picture in this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando (Im sorry I dunno how to upload image), there is such a thing as bone crushing machine used by the Sonderkommando, so does this prove that the mass burning of people by the Nazis might happen?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:46 pm)

Hello jankren & welcome.

1. Zyklon-B (a commercial pesticide which contains cyanide) most definitely stains.
Here's the outside and inside of an Auschwitz/Birkenau delousing chamber where Zyklon-B was used.

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Exterior southwest wall of the Zyklon B disinfestation wing of BW 5b in the Birkenau camp.
Interior northwest room in the Zyklon B disinfestation wing of BW 5a in the Birkenau camp.

No such residue exists in the alleged 'gas chambers' in spite of the fact that to achieve the results as alleged, TEN times the amount used in the real delousing process would have been required.
see The Rudolf Report:
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/

2. This dumb 'bone crushing machine' is nowhere to be found, why? Where are the massive remains as alleged? Why aren't verifiable excavations done?
And you should realize that the Germans did cremate disease victims (mainly typhus), nothing sinister about it. In fact that was purpose of the cremation facilities, which exist in most towns.
For more see:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3545

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:46 pm)

Hi,

I have a couple questions

First, I heard that the reason there was no chemical stain in the alleged gas chambers is because unlike Cyanide, Zyklon-B leaves no such a stain, ... is this true?


Cyanide is cyanide and Zyklon B was nothing more nor less a granular material that held cyanide, thus the same. You say you heard it someplace? Whoever you heard it from was making it up by error or intentionally and knowingly lying. Think about that.

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Postby Sirius » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:02 pm)

jankren wrote:in this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando ..., there is such a thing as bone crushing machine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sonderkommando.PNG
Is this a joke? Looks conspicuously like a concrete mixer.

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Postby polardude » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:40 pm)

1. Zyklon-B (a commercial pesticide which contains cyanide) most definitely stains.
Here's the outside and inside of an Auschwitz/Birkenau delousing chamber where Zyklon-B was used.


Cyanide (or Zyklon B a commercial preparation of Hydrogen Cyanide) doesn't always stain, but it will stain under certain conditions.

Had it always stained it would not have been much use for disinfecting ships, railway carriages and barracks etc etc.

The conditions under which is stains requires moisture, pH and free Fe 2+ ions.

What Leuchter and Rudolf demonstrated was that these conditions were present in the delousing facilities of Auschwitz with resulting bright blue staining but not in the alleged gas chambers.

What your picture from Minsk represents I am not quite sure. I have no idea what a bone crushing machine would look like to say it definitively isn't.

It is technically feasible that large numbers of humans could be cremated and then bones passed through a bone crusher.

That doesn't mean it actually happened.

Revisionists can set the bar too high when they demand that it be possible to prove every atrocity story to be physically impossible.

It is physically possible that the Germans gassed 900 000 Jews a few small concrete chambers using gasoline exhaust (yes diesel exhaust is physically impossible), buried them in gigantic pits and then later dug them all up and cremated them, crushed their bones to powder and threw the powder in the river Bug and afterwards obliterated every sign of the camp and constructed a farm - which is all that is visible on the 1944 aerial photo.

Physically it is possible but rather unlikely

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:19 am)

polardude said:
Cyanide (or Zyklon B a commercial preparation of Hydrogen Cyanide) doesn't always stain, but it will stain under certain conditions.

Had it always stained it would not have been much use for disinfecting ships, railway carriages and barracks etc etc.

The conditions under which is stains requires moisture, pH and free Fe 2+ ions.

What Leuchter and Rudolf demonstrated was that these conditions were present in the delousing facilities of Auschwitz with resulting bright blue staining but not in the alleged gas chambers.

Misleading.

Rudolf:
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/9.html
Final Conclusions

A. On chemistry

A: The investigation of the formation and stability of cyanide traces in masonry of the indicated structures as well as interpretation of the analytic results of samples of building material from these structures in Auschwitz show:

1. Cyanide reacting in masonry to produce Iron Blue is stable over periods of many centuries. It disintegrates on the same time scale as the masonry itself. Therefore, traces of cyanide should be detectable today in almost undiminished concentrations, regardless of the effects of weather. The outer walls of the delousing chambers BW 5a/b in Birkenau, which are deep blue and contain high concentrations of cyanide, are evidence of this.
2. Under the physically possible conditions of the mass-gassing of humans with hydrogen cyanide, traces of cyanide must be found in the same range of concentration in the rooms in question as they are found in the disinfestation structures, and the resulting blue discoloration of the walls should likewise be present.
3. In the walls of the supposed 'gas chambers' the concentrations of cyanide remnants are no higher than in any other building taken at random.

Conclusion to A:

On physical-chemical grounds, the mass gassings with hydrogen cyanide (Zyklon B) in the supposed 'gas chambers' of Auschwitz claimed by witnesses did not take place.

B: On building technology

The investigation of the events of alleged mass gassings in the indicated rooms claimed by witnesses, from a technical and practical standpoint, including physical-chemical analysis, showed:

1. The extensive documentation on the Auschwitz camp does not contain a single reference to execution 'gas chambers'; rather it refutes such suspicions.
2. The supposed main gas chambers of Auschwitz, the morgue hall of the crematorium in the main camp and the morgue cellars I ('gas chambers') of crematories II and III, did not have any means for the introduction of poison gas mixtures. Holes in the roofs visible today were made after the war, and all other cracks are the result of the building's destruction at the end of the war.
3. The release of lethal quantities of hydrogen cyanide from the Zyklon B carrier requires many multiples of the time asserted; the actual duration runs to several hours.
4. To provide the necessary ventilation for the supposed 'gas chambers' of crematories II and III would have taken many hours, contrary to all witness testimony.
5. It would have been impossible to provide an effective ventilation of the supposed 'gas chambers' of crematories IV or V or of farmhouses I and II. The corpses could not have been removed from the rooms and carried away by the Sonderkommando without protective garments and the use of gas masks with special filters.

Conclusion to B:

The procedures of mass-gassing as attested to by witnesses during their interrogation before various courts of law, as cited in judicial rulings, and as described in scientific and literary publications, in any building of Auschwitz whatever, are inconsistent with documentary evidence, technical necessities, and natural scientific law.

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more:
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/

polardude also said:
It is technically feasible that large numbers of humans could be cremated and then bones passed through a bone crusher.

That doesn't mean it actually happened.

Revisionists can set the bar too high when they demand that it be possible to prove every atrocity story to be physically impossible.

It is physically possible that the Germans gassed 900 000 Jews a few small concrete chambers using gasoline exhaust (yes diesel exhaust is physically impossible), buried them in gigantic pits and then later dug them all up and cremated them, crushed their bones to powder and threw the powder in the river Bug and afterwards obliterated every sign of the camp and constructed a farm - which is all that is visible on the 1944 aerial photo.

Physically it is possible but rather unlikely


Again, misleading.

None of this was possible in the timeframe alleged.

None of this was possible without massive physical evidence, which does not exist.

The primary 'holocaust' claims violate laws of science, rendering them impossible.

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