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More evidence Treblinka is a sloppy hoax.

Postby vincentferrer » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:14 pm)

Reflecting on the official storyline of Treblinka, that 870,000 bodies were gassed, buried, then dug up and burned outdoors on open pyres brings to mind a personal experience, which serves to debunk this insane idea.

Keep in mind the climate in Auschwitz is colder than northern Wisconsin, a place I spent many a season deer hunting.

Prior to the start of deer season in late November, when the ground becomes frozen or very hard, and covered with snow, our hunting party would drive to the area we had selected for hunting ( in September) and dig fox holes on various hills that overlooked deer runs.

We did this in September because by November the ground would be frozen or at least harder to dig.

Now, consider if the Treblinka story was true, and that large pits were dug which contained dead bodies alternately covered with layers of dirt.

Imagine what happens when the top layer of dirt is removed, to begin the burning of these bodies. The ground is very hard and the bodies are likely frozen. You do not end up with intact corpes, you end up with pieces of bodies, since they claim a mechnical shovel extracted these bodies.


What happens if it rains during this process, as it often happens a warm spell can bring rain to such a region in March or April.

You end up with a giant bowl of toxic soup containing rotting bodies and attracting flies and who knows what else. The smell would be awful.

Once the rains came, how do you extract bodies from this wet soupy pit?

It would take a week to dry out this pit, or longer. But then the bodies you extract are full of mud as well.

Nobody talks of placing muddy bodies on these pyres. Would that slow down the burn process? Or make it impossible to burn?

I guess one could place a dead rabbit, full of mud, on a outdoor pyre and find out?

Nobody talks of people using protective masks or gloves in doing this work which lends itself to the spread of all sorts of diseases and other health problems.

In reality, this sort of story is a real insult to German intelligence, which
after all was responsible for the invention of the jet engine and the DIESEL engine.

So, when you want to prove to a person the whole story behind the Holocaust is a giant hoax, composed by sloppy storytellers, Treblinka is a good place to start since it is so easy to debunk.

The most widely read account of this camp, a book written by Jean Steiner, is a self admitted hoax.

That helps, but is not enough.

Proving the story could not have taken place as the so called eyewitnesses say it did, is all one needs to offer.

The burden for revisionists is to show that the version of events as portrayed by the holocaust promoters, are impossible.

If you can show the Treblinka story is a giant fraud, knowing that Sobibor and Belzec are modeled exactly as Treblinka, you have just vaporized 25% of the holocaust legend, or 1,500,000 of the alleged victims.


Auschwitz is even easier. After all Dr. Piper the Auschwitz Curator lowered the 4,000,000 number to 1,150,000 for you, and that was done in 1990.

These facts lower the 6,000,000 by 3,000,000.

Yet the RED Cross even shows the 1,150,000 is a grossly inflated number, so the actual numbers fall well below 3,000,000 and there are two more camps with massive numbers that also need to be examined.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:52 pm)

The burden for revisionists is to show that the version of events as portrayed by the holocaust promoters, are impossible.

Not much of a burden.

In a nutshell:

- It is utterly impossible to gas the numbers alleged via the methods alleged, in the laughable facilities that are alleged, in the timespan alleged. Impossible.

- It is utterly impossible to cremate the numbers alleged, using the facilities and methods that are alleged, in the time span alleged, with the amount of fuel alleged. Impossible.

- It is utterly impossible to claim that 1,000,000-2,000,000 were shot into gigantic pits when in fact, these pits do not exist. It is utterly impossible to claim that 1,000,000-2,000,000 were shot into gigantic pits when there is no physical evidence. Impossible.

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurdity of the 'holocaust' tales is the message.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:56 pm)

Hi Vincent,

All the things you're pointing out regarding freezing are more true for Belzec and Sobibor. Both which allegedly dug up bodies in the winter. At Treblinka, they allegedly dug up the bodies starting in March. But you're so right about the toxic soup. As if you could throw that on a fire.

Everyone seems to imagine these bodies coming out as all clean, dry, easily layable on a grate made of railroad tracks.

What a crock!

Oh, and the bodies then burn on their own.

"Mud" is just never mentioned ever. I've never seen "mud" mentioned in this giant project of digging up all those bodies.

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Postby vincentferrer » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:08 am)

Perhaps a new slogan is in the making:

You can turn em and turn em,
but they ain't gonna burn big Sem.
When you got em covered in mud,
this fire gonna be a dud.

Of course, its all a big hoax to start with, but its a catchy way of trying to impart wisdom into the large body of believers.

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Postby polardude » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:19 am)

The soil at Trebinka is quite sandy and looks like it is well draining.

So no mud.

If you recall that 1.5 klicks along the road there is a sand quarry that was dug into the ground, it is at least 12 meters deep and is as dry as a bone.

Still I have no doubt that 800 000 bodies werent cremated on open air pyres there regardless of the lack of mud.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:26 am)

polardude said:
The soil at Trebinka is quite sandy and looks like it is well draining.

So no mud.

If you recall that 1.5 klicks along the road there is a sand quarry that was dug into the ground, it is at least 12 meters deep and is as dry as a bone.

Still I have no doubt that 800 000 bodies werent cremated on open air pyres there regardless of the lack of mud.

He makes it sound as if the ground consisted of only sand, wrong. He has no proof for that assertion.

The sand quarry ("1.5 klicks along the road" .... as in 2 miles away) is a specific location where certain glacial deposits occurred. It is not a continuous expanse. The alleged enormous mass grave is not alleged to have been in this sand quarry which is quite distant from the site.

Lot's of mud at Treblinka.

And then he completely fails to tell us where the fuel for these laughable 800,000 outside cremations came from. And why he cannot show us the alleged mass grave they supposedly came from.

And polardude ignores the claim that people were supposedly gassed with DIESEL at Treblinka. Whoa! Talk about laughable and utterly impossible as alleged.

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:44 am)

I addressed a lot of the weather and soil issues at Belzec here:

THE BELZEC ICEBERG

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2296

Some of the same problems would have occured at Treblinka, even if they got a later start in the season. In particular, this was just after the winter of Stalingrad, (1942-43), and spring came late with a lot of snow melt.

ALSO - at that latitude, spring comes later, and summer lasts through the end of September, so heavy spring rains at Treblinka must have been a problem.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:52 am)

Sandy soil is not a sandy beach. Florida is one big sand spit but there's plenty of mud off the beaches when it rains and Poland was not nearly as sandy.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:12 pm)

Those trees and grasses grow awfully well for Treblinka to be an alleged 'sand quarry'.

If allegations about Treblinka were true there wouldn't be this blatant attempt to prevent researchers from excavating.

Said to be 'burial ditch' at Treblinka, note that it's covered with solid iron.
http://polandvisit.com/treblinka/photo.htm
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Can't excavate here either, how convenient.
http://www.jewishgen.org
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They know there is nothing there to support their preposterous lies.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:29 pm)

A user on the other board claims that a partially decomposed body burns practically by itself, all that is needed is a match.
This fellow even wrote a sort of an essay about this on an anti-revisionist site.
:D

Let's recount what the anti-revisionist historian J. Baynac admitted in 1996:
»The vicious accusation of mass killings, aimed at the German people for over half a century, is based solely on eye-witness accounts. We revisionists are not satisfied with them. Our method is to investigate the fate of the Jews during World War II the same way other historical events are investigated, a method accepted in criminology--which means that there is an order of importance regarding evidence: Forensic evidence comes first, documentary proof is next, and eye-witness accounts are last.«

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:41 am)

Bergmann wrote:A user on the other board claims that a partially decomposed body burns practically by itself, all that is needed is a match.
This fellow even wrote a sort of an essay about this on an anti-revisionist site.


Yet we know it must be the truth and nothing but the truth, since Treblinka star witness Yankel Wiernik expressly stated in his book A Year in Treblinka that the corpses in the opened graves ignited when burning objects were thrown in, and also stated that corpses burned by themselves. Treblinka truth-teller Rachel Auerbach also stated in her The Fields of Treblinka that bodies were burned without other fuel than their own blood, according to Auerbach a very efficient one :shock: (how this blood was extracted from the dead bodies is yet another Treblinka mystery!)

Needless to say neither a fresh nor a partially decomposed can burn by itself. The water contents would be roughly the same, and the gradual dissolution of muscle tissue does not render it more ignitable in any way. It's elementary physics. Even if there was some development of flammable gasses inside the corpse due to the decomposition process, most of this gas would quickly leave the body once disinterred. Even if this gas could be ignited, it would not cause the body to be incinerated, but would instead only cause some charring of the body surface. And by the way, all corpses were supposedly naked, so there was no clothing to act as some kind of "wick".

Perhaps you should challenge the guy to bury a large piece of ham or even better the carcass of some animal in his backyard, let it lie there for half a year and then try to put it on fire using only matches or a lighter, all while video taping the whole thing. I'm pretty sure it would prove quite an embarassment for him and his ilk...

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Postby Johng » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:56 am)

A point of accuracy.

The symbolic cemetary sculpture do not inhibate investigation. krege claimed to have carried out a study in 2000. Hanover is wrong to claim the 'burial pit is covered in steel' it is loose basalt rocks as a true picture shows.


how do I include a picture?????
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:17 pm)

johng says:
The symbolic cemetary sculpture do not inhibate investigation. krege claimed to have carried out a study in 2000. Hanover is wrong to claim the 'burial pit is covered in steel' it is loose basalt rocks as a true picture shows.

Photos of Krege do not show any impediment in the alleged mass grave area at the time.
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The laughable 'sculptures' do indeed inhibit excavation, below them the ground is paved.
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The 'basalt rocks' are placed on top of iron/cement. No matter, it certainly impedes excavation. They are obviously attempting to conceal the lack of evidence.
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Postby Johng » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:51 am)

The treblinka sculptures were erected in 1964. Hanover's picture shows krege working (I use the term loosly as he hasn't published after 6 years!) in the centre of the sculpture ring, the edge of which is seen in the background. Loose bassalt rock and concrete would NOT inhibit a rada ground survey. Iron/steel would, but Hanover is misleading us both to the extent and nature of the sculptures.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:16 am)

johng:
The treblinka sculptures were erected in 1964. Hanover's picture shows krege working (I use the term loosly as he hasn't published after 6 years!) in the centre of the sculpture ring, the edge of which is seen in the background. Loose bassalt rock and concrete would NOT inhibit a rada ground survey. Iron/steel would, but Hanover is misleading us both to the extent and nature of the sculptures.

You're doing the misleading Johng, I said excavate, please, no false arguments. These solid coverings would indeed impede exacation, AND any attempts will stopped by The Holocaust Industry. While the bizarre 'sculptures' do not cover the entire area, they do prevent excation of the areas they do cover. Simple. It doesn't look so good for the absurdly alleged '900,000 Jew mass grave', in fact the mass grave doesn't even exist!

Krege's results have been published, and I notice that Johng cannot prove him wrong. Show us the alleged mass grave for the supposed 9,000,000 Jews, Johng. Since we have so called 'eyewitness' statements and maps, why can't Johng show us the physical evidence for an alleged enormpus mass grave that supposedly held a packed Rose Bowl X 10? He can't, that's why. Simple as that.

We have a scan itself with Krege shown using the scanner at Treblinka:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Treblink ... 91000.html

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We have a more detailed report in German with photos:
http://vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Krege62-64.html

We have news coverage here with a scan:
http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/treblinka-lie.htm

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Planned:
Richard Krege, The Krege Report. Ground Penetrating Radar Research at the Operation Reinhardt Camps Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor

With high-tech devices, the author ventured out in search of the alleged mass graves and open air incineration sites, where millions are claimed to have perished – with surprising results.

The publisher for the planned book is now in jail for publising The Rudolf Report:
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/

So Johng, find 'independent experts' to do the same scans, it's not anyone else's job. Even ask the not so independent, deep pockets Wiesenthal Center to replicate his work; do they dare? No chance.

Now the onus is upon the Believers to show us that this alleged grave of supposedly 900,000 Jews is more than mere propaganda. If they have a problem with Krege, then it is upon them show us contrary evidence.

The alleged gassing, burial, exhumation of ca. 900,000 Jews is a blatant lie. The Treblinka tale is self-serving judeo-supremacist propaganda.

No mass graves, no 'holocaust'.

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