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claim: Nazis used human remains to make soap

Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:40 pm)

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?ar ... 046&area=/
breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/

Tests show that Nazis used human remains to make soap

Warsaw, Poland

06 October 2006 04:41

The Nazis used human fat to make soap during World War II in a Nazi German medical academy located in what is now the Polish Baltic sea port city of Gdansk, Polish war crimes prosecutors confirmed on Friday, pointing to new laboratory tests.

Officials with Poland's Institute for National Remembrance (IPN) based their findings on a laboratory analysis of a piece of soap found in 1945 in the medical academy in Gdansk run by Nazi German Professor Rudolf Spanner.

A new laboratory analysis of the soap revealed human fat was one of its components, spokesperson for the Gdansk branch of the IPN, Paulina Szumera, told Deutsche Presse-Agentur in a telephone interview on Friday.

Commissioned by the IPN, Professor Andrzej Stolyhwo of the Warsaw Agricultural University found human tissue in the soap.

The piece of soap was used as evidence in the post-WWII Nuremburg Trials where prominent German Nazis were prosecuted for crimes against humanity. At the time, prosecutors lacked the technology to determine whether the soap contained human tissue.

Human remains used to make the soap were believed to have been brought from Kaliningrad, Bydgoszcz and the Stutthof Nazi German concentration camp located about 30 from Gdansk.

The IPN investigation found that the soap in question produced by Professor Spanner was used to clean operating and autopsy rooms.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:37 pm)

It goes without saying that we'll never see this 'human soap', or the claimed test documentation, and there will be no verifiable analysis made.

Consider the source:
Poland's Institute for National Remembrance (IPN)

IOW, judeo-supremacists with an agenda who have been shown to be untrustworthy. In fact, they've been proven to be blatant liars.

Again, they can't keep their lies straight:
"The soap rumor was prevalent both during and after the war. It may have had its origin in the cadaver factory atrocity story that came out of World War I. The soap rumor was thoroughly investigated after the war and proved to be untrue.

The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap."

- Deborah Lipstadt, Nazi Soap Rumor During World War II, Los Angeles Times, May 16, 1981, p II/2


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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:00 pm)

At the time, prosecutors lacked the technology to determine whether the soap contained human tissue.

A bald face lie.

see, History of Microscopes:
http://inventors.about.com/od/mstartinv ... scopes.htm

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:24 pm)

Wouldn't it be special if they analysed the 'shrunken heads' that were presented at Nuremberg?

Let's see how far the media goes with this story. Could be revealing.

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:42 pm)

Hannover wrote:
At the time, prosecutors lacked the technology to determine whether the soap contained human tissue.

A bald face lie.

see, History of Microscopes:
http://inventors.about.com/od/mstartinv ... scopes.htm

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Yes, I also found that odd. There was no technology available after the war to determine if soap contained human tissue? Surely this can't be right. How much technology is needed? What kind of technology? This little nugget should be easy to verify.
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Postby gasto » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:07 am)

It has been thouroughly debunked, and even refuted by the Yad Vashem center..

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... em&start=0


Yet...they keep lying..
If Human Soap rumour was fake, why can´t all the other absurd claims be too??

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:43 am)

gasto wrote:It has been thouroughly debunked, and even refuted by the Yad Vashem center..
Yet...they keep lying..


Or could it be that they misunderstood the term REVISION? :D
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Postby simon1003 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:00 pm)

friedrich braun wrote:The IPN investigation found that the soap in question produced by Professor Spanner was used to clean operating and autopsy rooms.


So a piece of soap used in morgues and operating theatres contained traces of human tissue? No shit?

Show me a piece of soap used in those kind of ares which doesn't have such cross contamination.

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:42 pm)

simon1003 wrote:
friedrich braun wrote:The IPN investigation found that the soap in question produced by Professor Spanner was used to clean operating and autopsy rooms.


So a piece of soap used in morgues and operating theatres contained traces of human tissue? No shit?

Show me a piece of soap used in those kind of ares which doesn't have such cross contamination.


Right. Surely those conducting the analyses must know that as well.
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Postby jemand » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:55 pm)

The news article says the lab tests were done by the Polish Institute of National Remembrance (Website at http://www.ipn.gov.pl/index_eng.html).

I wrote to the contact email given on the web page asking for details, but unfortunately I didn't get an answer.

It doesn't look like the Holocaust authorities are going to add the soap story to their list of "historical truths" either.
Maybe the Polish institute just felt they could use some publicity?

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Postby David Phillips » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:04 am)

Might be worth adding this press release taken from the Auschwitz museum site.

PAP - rop/ pz/ mag / 2006/10/13, 08:43
Human Fat Was Used to Produce Soap in Gdansk during the War



Soap produced by the German professor, Rudolf Spanner, at the Anatomy Institute of the Medical Academy in Gdansk. As exhibit USSR 393, it was introduced as evidence during the trial of Nazi war criminals before the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg after the end of the Second World War.
Oct. 6, Gdansk (PAP-Polish Press Agency) – An inquiry by the Gdansk Branch of the Commission for the Investigation of Crimes against the Polish Nation has concluded that soap was made from human fat and used for general cleaning purposes at the Anatomy Institute of the Gdansk Medical Academy, under the direction of Professor Rudolf Spanner, during the Second World War.

Witold Kulesza, the director of the Main Commission for the Investigation of Crimes against the Polish Nation, said during a Friday press conference that the finding represented confirmation of facts presented in Zofia Nałkowska's book The Medallions.

In Kulesza's opinion, Spanner's activities constitute "one of the darkest pages in the Second World War." He emphasized, however, that—were Spanner alive—it would not be possible to bring charges against him for Nazi crimes, but only, at most, for removing evidence of such crimes by destroying corpses.

The investigation did not show that any crime was committed on the premises of the Anatomy Institute of the Gdansk Medical Academy. The corpses used in the experiments were obtained from sources including the mental hospital in Kocborów, the prison in Królewiec [then Konigsburg, now Kaliningrad, Russia], and—despite Spanner's categorical denials—the Stutthof death camp.

Spanner was detained and interrogated in Germany in 1947 and 1948. In his testimony, to which the Polish National Remembrance Institute had access during the inquest, he stated that he used the soap made from human fat exclusively for injection into joint ligaments. The investigation was dropped at the time. The only punishment that Spanner suffered was to be dismissed from the university in Cologne after intervention by the British. Spanner worked afterwards as an ordinary physician in Schleswig-Holstein, and died in Cologne in 1960.

Kulesza indicated that Spanner's experiments were hardly exceptional within the context of their time. As an example, he cited the case of a German scholar at the university in Poznan; [Posen], who sold the skulls of Poles and Jews to customers including the Natural History Museum in Vienna, which exhibited them in its so-called "race cabinet."

The Gdansk branch of the National Remembrance Institute has been working on the Spanner inquiry since 2002. The results show that the soap that Spanner produced was used to wash autopsy rooms and dissection tables. Witnesses testified that it had an unpleasant smell. This led to almond oil being added to it. The investigation found that Spanner's personnel produced somewhere between 10 and 100 kilograms of soap from corpses.

Investigators tracked down some of the soap produced by Spanner. Samples had been used as evidence of Nazi war crimes between November 1945 and October 1946, during the Nuremberg trials. A jar containing the soap is stored, along with the rest of the Nuremberg trial documentation, in the archive of the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

Tests on the extant soap sample were carried out by Professor Andrzej Stolyhwo of the Main School of Agrarian Economy (SGGW) in Warsaw, a specialist in the chemistry of fats.

Stolyhwo explained at the press conference that soap from human fat arises as a natural byproduct during the process of reducing corpses for such purposes as obtaining bones to be used for educational purposes by medical students.

However, Stolyhwo's expert analysis of the soap sample from the archive of the International Court of Justice in The Hague showed that kaolin had been added. This abrasive ingredient made the soap suitable for utility purposes. "For me, this is a violation of ethical principles," Stołyhwo added.

Prosecutor Piotr Niesyn of the Gdansk Branch of the Commission for the Investigation of Crimes against the Polish Nation said that more than 20 new witnesses came forward during the investigation of Spanner's activities. They included former Polish soldiers, members of the militia, and prisoners of Stutthof concentration camp. The investigators also had access to the records of crime-scene reports from the Anatomy Institute of the Medical Academy in Gdansk, carried out by a Polish-Soviet commission immediately after the liberation of Gdansk in the spring of 1945.

During the course of the investigation, a journalist from the Gdansk-Sopot-Gdynia area obtained a cube of brown-colored soap that originated in the Anatomy Institute of the Medical Academy in Gdansk. The soap was given to the journalist by a now-deceased former employee of the institute. Professor Stolyhwo analyzed this soap, and found that its chemical properties were similar to those of the sample from The Hague (PAP).



Comments I would add:

Professor Andrzej Stolyhwo is indeed a specialist in animal lipids and although I do not know it would not surprise me if there was a definite signature of human lipids that can be distinguished from other mammals.

The second point would be chain of custody issues. They claim to have sourced their sample from the Hague
During the course of the investigation, a journalist from the Gdansk-Sopot-Gdynia area obtained a cube of brown-colored soap that originated in the Anatomy Institute of the Medical Academy in Gdansk. The soap was given to the journalist by a now-deceased former employee of the institute. Professor Stolyhwo analyzed this soap, and found that its chemical properties were similar to those of the sample from The Hague

I am not aware of a physical archive at the Hague of such artifacts - especially considering the trial was held at Nuremburg under military administration before the Internation Court had been established. Many of the other artifacts such as tatooed skin, lampshades etc ended up in military museum collections suggesting that after the trial they had been returned to which ever agency had supplied them to the tribunal. I would wish to check the archival history and the collection from the Hague it belonged to. Possibly Professor Stolyhwo analysed two pieces that were supplied via unknown means, one of which the journalist got hold of and the other labelled as "from the Hague".

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Stolyhwo explained at the press conference that soap from human fat arises as a natural byproduct during the process of reducing corpses for such purposes as obtaining bones to be used for educational purposes by medical students.

However, Stolyhwo's expert analysis of the soap sample from the archive of the International Court of Justice in The Hague showed that kaolin had been added. This abrasive ingredient made the soap suitable for utility purposes. "For me, this is a violation of ethical principles," Stolyhwo added.


Suggests that such soap would be easily manufactured by anyone with access to an autopsy or anatomy institute. Kaolin is an ingredient only used in fine soaps and hardly seems an appropriate ingredient for a soap that was just used for washing benches.

It is also not contained within the so-called recipe for the soap that was presented to the Nuremburg tribunal
namely
5 kilos of human fat are mixed with 10 liters of water and 500
or 1,000 grams of caustic soda. All this is boiled 2 or 3 hours
and then cooled. The soap floats to the surface while the water
and other sediment remain at the bottom. A bit of salt and soda
is added to this mixture. Then fresh water is added, and the
mixture again boiled 2 or 3 hours. After having cooled the soap
is poured into molds.

Nothing about adding fine clays.

I personally think Stolhywo analysis is correct, but the production of this ghoulish item took place rather more recently.

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:32 am)

If this was true why wasn't Rudolf Spanner arrested and why was Rudolf Spanner allowed to continue his research and doctoral work after the war? Sorry, this type of nonsense are allocated in the same category as those claims of "gas chambers".

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Postby nashchad » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:57 pm)

Yeah after all, it makes a whole lot of sense to use the ingredient "human" in a cheap bar of soap.

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Postby Mannstein » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:35 pm)

And I thought all this human soap was sold off to gullible American collectors by Jewish dealers or given a proper burial. Wrong again!

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Postby diaz52 » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:39 pm)

nashchad wrote:Yeah after all, it makes a whole lot of sense to use the ingredient "human" in a cheap bar of soap.


This silly myth reminds me of that cheesy '70s flick with Chuck Heston. Solient something or other... Oh yeah, I remember: I can see him now: "Solient Green soap is Jewish people. Its people!"

Now, this whole rumor begs the question: why only soap? Didn't German people back then use shampoo? And don't get me started on conditioner... And would it have killed the 3rd Reich to make some Solient Green skin moisterizer? Aryan women's skin back then wasn't going to magically moisterize itself... Surely the German government understood that the master race couldn't very well go around with dry and chaffed skin. Oh well, budget cuts due to the war I guess mitigated against a more thorough production of cleansing skin care products for the more discerning and hygenic gentiles of the time. Haw haw!!! :D

Forgive me. I couldn't resist! Try as I might, the ridiculous and bizarre claims of the Holohoax (not to mention the seriousness with which society takes this nonsense) just beg to be mocked. Haw haw!! :lol:
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