Irving should be asked to explain what he meant by "...Nazis killed million of Jews in different methods...".
It's certain he will be asked.
ASMarques makes sense in that the media are known for absolute lies ('wipe Israel off the map'), and taking quotes out of context. Skepticism is probably best at this time.
ASM's links to Lipstadt posts are priceless. I have quoted them at the end of this post for posterity, some points:
- While attempting to claim Irving is anti-free speech, and he is not, I note that Irving was suing for slander, not to prevent Lipstadt from speaking freely on any subject, a big difference
- Lipstadt whines about 'right wing' politics in a way which clearly implies the desire to stop them from speaking freely
- Lipstadt decries 'politics' yet turns around and tries to use politics to her imagined advantage, she utterly ignores the politics behind the seizure and imprisonment of Revisionists, and attempts to hide the politics of the so called 'holocaust'
- she goes on about race while she is in fact a virulent judeo-supremacist, see: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3778
The politics of Deborah Lipstadt are pervaded by a hypocritical double standard. She actively worked to create a racially integrated, multicultural society in the United States. And, all throughout her books she pays lip service to “racial equality,” and ardently condemns non-Jews that reject ethnically integrated, multiracial societies outside of Israel. Yet, she most passionately identifies with Israel—an ethnically segregated society whose government actively works to ensure Jewish supremacy and to destroy any chance of an egalitarian, multiracial society from developing between Jews and Arabs.
Far from working for an integrated society in which Jews and Arabs functioned as social and political equals, the Jews who founded Israel created a society in which Israeli Jews dominate "Israeli" Arabs, a separate and unequal society in which discrimination against non-Jews and Jewish supremacy are an integral part of the established social order.
the links and text as mentioned above:
http://lipstadt.blogspot.com/2006/12/ir ... ation.html
David Irving has been given probation by an Austrian judge. According to the NY Times bureau chief for Germany, the Judge apparently has ties to Haider, the leader of the right wing in Austria. I am told that many left of center journalists in Austria are very distressed by this intrusion of pure politics into the judicial process. More as the story develops
posted by Deborah Lipstadt @ 12/20/2006 12:48:00 PM
http://lipstadt.blogspot.com/2006/12/ju ... aring.html
Judges in Irving's probation hearing
Irving case was heard by a three judge panel. The chief judge was a man named Ernest Maurer. According to people with whom I have spoken in Vienna [this has been reported on the Austrian media] he is a follower or sympathizer of the Jorg Haider's right wing party the FPÖ. Some of the decisions of his decision have been overturned by the European Court for Human Rights for unlawful restriction of the freedom of the press.
The Austrian daily "Standard" quotes from a book where Maurer expressed Nazi-like ideologies including "Rassereinheit" (purity of race) for an "idealistic view" (Idealvorstellung).
So for all those who are rejoicing about a putative victory for freedom of speech, note that neither the judge nor the defendant are believers in such a notion. Remember, Irving offered to drop the case against me if I apologized to him and agreed to have all my books pulped.
Not exactly the actions of a paragon of freedom of speech.....
posted by Deborah Lipstadt @ 12/20/2006 01:05:00 PM
http://lipstadt.blogspot.com/2006/12/mo ... -case.html
More on the Judge in Irving's Austrian case
The Austrian daily, Standard and other Austrian media outlets have provided some additional details about the judge. For those who are championing Irving's release as an act of free speech triumphant, pay attention to the judge's background. It is not irrelevant that the presiding judge was Ernest Maurer who is a sympathizer of the right wing who has had some of his decisions overturned by the European Court for Human Rights because they unlawfully restricted freedom of the press. Apparently Maurer had ruled for Jorg Haider, leader of Austria's right wing, when he sued newspapers and commentators who criticized him. The Standard quotes from a decision by the judge in which he express classic Nazi ideologies including Rassereinheit (purity of race).
As I said in my previous post: this is not a simple matter of freedom of speech.
posted by Deborah Lipstadt @ 12/21/2006 03:36:00 AM