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Belzec Nonsense from Robin O'Neil

Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:36 am)

As many of You may know by heart, Jewish "Treblinka expert" Rachel Auerbach uttered the following stunning revelation in her work In the Fields of Treblinka (reprinted in A. Donat's Death Camp Treblinka):

[blood] was found to be a first-class combustion material
(Donat s.38 )

However, this astonishing new knowledge of the properties of human blood () seems to have been lost to science since the publication of Auerbach's groundbreaking study, and even the high priests of the 6 billion Jewish martyrs seem to have forgotten its significance.

For your interest, what we in daily speech call "blood" consists to 55% of a liquid medium, blood plasma, and to 45% of so called "formed elements".

The blood plasma consists to 92% of water, the rest being mainly proteins.

"The formed elements" consists of red blood cells (96%), white blood cells (3%) and platelets (1%)

It is indeed a fortunate event that British ex-cop and self-styled Belzec "expert" Robin O'Neil has proclaimed his good Irish faith in the Miracle of the Ignitable Blood, this in his online book Belzec: Prototype for the Final Solution http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/belzec1.html :

It is interesting to note that during the excavations and burnings by Belzec's 'burners,' it was found that some bodies burned better than others. The recently gassed burned better than those from the first transports. Fat women burned better than thin women. Men did not burn well without women, whose fat is better developed than men's. For this reason, the bodies of women were used to build the base of the pyres intermixed with other bodies and combustible material. Blood, too, was found to be a very good combustible material and the young burned even better because of their softer flesh.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/bel100.html#68r

As source for this O'Neil uses the statements of accused Heinrich Gley and Robert Jührs made 11 October 1961. Surely the sworn statements of evul natzis prove that blood can be used as a fuel. :roll:

To be serious, Gley and Jührs statements rather strongly indicates that they had read or had to read passages from previous "witness accounts" and "reports" on the Reinhardt camps, among them in order to later plagiate them (or they inserted the absurd claim to reveal the show trial nature of the proceedings and the grotesque nature of the claims against them in a similar way that Eichmann may have done with his infamous "blood fountain").
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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:17 am)

More clownery from O'Neil on Belzec:

What perhaps may help us reach a conclusion on the number of pyres is a painting by a former railway porter who worked at Belzec station during the war. The paintings of Belzec camp late 1942 show the barracks, watchtowers, rail link into the camp, mechanical excavator in the process of removing corpses and piling them on to five pyres which are burning.[63] There were also other paintings representing activities in Belzec. In paintings of the reception area depicting incoming transports, one shows the arrival and unloading of a transport of Jews at the Ramp being addressed by Irrmann; another shows Wirth and Hering on horse-back riding through the streets of Belzec, chasing a Pole called Panasowiec and beating him with whips. Panasowiec died later from his injuries.[64] There is also a painting of the pre-war railway station in Belzec in summer. The purpose of painting these scenes is not fully known, but the evidential value is immense.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/bel100.html#63r

If we look at footnote 63 we see that O'Neil writes:
In the old presbytery in Belzec there are three paintings of Belzec camp painted after the war.


Luckily those paintings to which O'Neil attributes "immense value" has been made available online by our friends at deathcamps.org

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Wirth and Hering hunting the poor Panasowiec

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Arrival of deportees at Belzec

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The cremation of the corpses

Compare the two last paintings with the following maps and see if you can spot the differences:

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Rutherford

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Arad

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:29 am)

O'Neil on the motive of the alleged disinterring and cremation of corpses from gas chamber victims:

There was a clear order to dig up and burn all the corpses in the many hundreds of execution sites in the occupied areas and destroy the evidence? Digging up corpses, burning, and grinding the bones to dust, and then re-burying the residue would not remove the evidence. Perhaps they wanted to remove the true numbers of victims who perished in Belzec: not to obliterate the evidence per se, but to hide the enormity of the crime.[72]


And if we look at footnote 72:

My assessment is confirmed. See: Höß, Auschwitz, 212: 'In addition the ashes were to be disposed of in such a way that it would be impossible to calculate the number of corpses burnt'.


Only a joke such as our Irish ex-cop would claim that the dubious writings ascribed to a former camp commander held in a Polish-Stalinist prison, full of absurdities and contradictions, "confirm" some assessment or other. Had some whisky too much?

My advice to all revisionists: when debunking a book, look closely at footnotes (especially if they are hidden in the back of the volume), they are often very revealing.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:24 am)

In fairness to the Irish, Robin O'Neil should not be be called an "Irish ex-cop". He is a British ex-cop in spite of his last name.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:07 pm)

O'Neill's introduction has the strangest story of how he got into holocaust research. A Jewish man convicted of a crime, told him all about his ancestors in Galicia? and O'Neil then went to Europe to find them, and found no record of all. Then he went to Belzec, and right away found bones poking out of the surface of the earth. And this was, if memory serves, in the late 60's. As if no one had ever even heard of the holocaust, so here's these bones poking out of the earth that O'Neil just stumbles upon.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:16 pm)

Then he went to Belzec, and right away found bones poking out of the surface of the earth. And this was, if memory serves, in the late 60's. As if no one had ever even heard of the holocaust, so here's these bones poking out of the earth that O'Neil just stumbles upon.

Too much Irish whiskey for our boy O'Neil.
Where are these 'bones' that he supposedly found?

Did he photograph them?
Did he analyse them?
Does he have them?
Nope.

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Postby The Merovingian » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:05 pm)

The alleged presence of so many "Ukrainians" in Aktion Reinhardt supposed "extermination" facilities is also particularly odd.

First, because it would have been very unsafe to hire foreigners in top secret "extermination" operations. Second, as Jankiel Wiernik, the great "witness" of Treblinka, said, they were "terrible drunkards" trafficking in liquor. Third, well, it was simply the name that the inhabitants of Warsaw gave to the soldiers of the Vlassov's Army.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:21 am)

Belzec Burial Pits - O'Neil vs. Kola vs. Reality

In his book, O'Neil states, in accordance with other chief mytographers, that all the victims in Belzec were buried before they were dug up again, cremated and thrown back as ashes into the same pits.

How many were those corpses?

Taking into consideration all the evidence available to them at that time (1945-46), the Commission concluded that the total number of victims murdered in the Belzec death camp was not less than 600,000 people.[17] Other estimates acquired from a number of sources can only be guesses or assumptions and they vary considerably between half a million to two million:[18] the Pole Eustachy Ukrainski concludes 1,800,000; Ludwik Obalak ,1,500,000; the Polish stationmaster, Alojzy Berezowski , 1,000,000; Chaim Hirszman, 800,000 between October and December 1942, all of which, according to Michael Tregenza, are wild exaggerations.[19] It was even claimed that Wirth had received a 'millions medal .[20]Basing his conclusions on his own research and that of the archaeological investigations,Tregenza suggests that possibly a million Jews died in Belzec over a nine-month period.[21] However, Tregenza now amends his conclusions to the more realistic figure of about 534,500. Eugeniusz Szrojt concludes 600,000 victims.[22] Raul Hilberg concludes 550,000.[23] Yitzhak Arad concluded from published sources 414,000, but estimated 600,000 as the actual lowest figure.[24] My own estimates were loosely concluded at 800,000 but eventually, due to the lack of clear evidence, I fell back on the Report of the Polish War Crimes Investigation Commission and abandoned the 'numbers task' as unachievable.[25] My advice: to dabble with specific Holocaust numbers should be avoided at all costs. :roll:


So O'Neil apparently finds it conceivable and even probable that 800 000 corpses were buried and later dug up, cremated and reburied at Belzec.

How large were the graves those 600 000 or 800 000 corpses were thrown into?

Andrzej Kola states on page 40 of his book that the 33 burial pits he located using probing have a total surface area of the 0.52 hectars and an estimated total volume of 21 000 cubic meters.

How could 600 000 corpses have fit into a volume of 21 000 cubic meters? Kola states (Belzec: The Nazi Camp for Jews in the light of archeological sources: Excavations 1997-1999,p.40)

The big number contains mainly ashes of bodies, which made killing and burying hundreds of thousands of people in one place possible.


However, according to anonymous sources, all of the dead in Belzec were buried before disinterred and cremated, so it isn't crucial here that the ashes from "hundreds of thousands of people" could possibly fit into 21 000 cubic meters. For the official Belzec story to be true, it is necessary that the volume of the burial pits could hold the whole uncremated bodies of all those "hundreds of thousands" allegedly killed.

As a trained archeologist Kola certainly know that mass graves do not shrink or disappear. Unless there has been later diggings or disturbances enlarging it or possibly an earthquake rendering its dimensions hard to determine, the instruments of the modern researcher will find the size and dimensions of the pit as it was originally dug.

There is only one scenario that could save the claim of Kola's: that the corpses were originally buried in pits other than those that the ashes were threwn into.

The big problem with this scenario is of course that all of the witness accounts claims that the graves were located inside the camp perimeter and inside of the extermination area of the camp (which on Arad's map makes up roughly half of the total camp area).

And since Kola probed the whole camp area and only found those 33 burial pits, the non-cremated bodies of "hundreds of thousands of people" will just have to fit into those 21 000 cubic meters.

With 600 000 bodies, that would mean 28.6 bodies per cubic meter. A bit crowded methinks. O'Neills estimated 800 000 dead would mean 38 bodies per cubic meter. Let's skip Tregenza's estimate to save our sanity! 5-8 bodies per cubic meters seems more like the maximum number of bodies one could squeeze in.

It get's even more crowded when one consider that a lot of the graves were enlarged after the war by treasure seekers (see http://vho.org/dl/ENG/b.pdf page 88-90) and that Kola's volume estimates include the top soil layer of the graves (correct me here if I am wrong here), which would have a depth of let's say 30-50 centimeters.

As Mattogno points out, the graves found by Kola could have contained a theoretical maximum of 170 000 bodies, but the actual number of humans whose remains rest at the former Belzec camp grounds more likely amounts to 5-15 000, since a look at the reported contents of the probes from the burial pits reveal that they contained mostly sand and soil.

The best thing would of course be to dig up the graves and measure the amount of human remains, but that cannot be done, since it would make a lot of poor Jews really sad and angry :oops: . Besides, a huge monument-thingy was placed on top of the camp grounds following the Kola probings and excavations. How very convenient!

Let us now return to O'Neil's book and take a look on what he has to say on the dimensions of the burial pits.

The total surface of the mass graves is estimated at 21,000 square meters.[29] At least a dozen graves still contain today unburned, partially mummified or decomposing corpses. Exactly why the SS did not empty all the graves and destroy their contents is not known; they were in no hurry to leave the area as the entire SS garrison was redistributed to other camps in the Lublin District for at least five months after the liquidation of Belzec.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/bel150.html#21r

So while Kola states that the graves had a total volume of 21,300 cubic meters, O'Neil, who was with Kola at Belzec, claims that they had a surface area of 21,000 square meters. How very curious! :shock:

[to be continued]
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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:06 am)

Now let's take a look at what O'Neil states on the dimension of the individual mass graves:

Grave pit No. 1: Located in northwestern part of the camp. Dimensions of the grave determined as 40 m x 12 m and over 4.80 m deep, filled with bodies in wax-fat transformation and a mixture of burnt human bones and charcoal. [...] Area: 1,500 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 2: Located in northeastern part of the camp. Dimensions of the grave determined as 14 m x 6 m x 2 m deep, containing a layer of unburned corpses and a mixture of cremated substances. Area: 170 sq m.

Grave pit No. 3: Located in southern part of the camp. [...] Dimensions of the grave determined as 16 m x 15 m x 5 m deep. [...] Area: 960 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 4: Located immediately to the south of the camp. Dimensions of the grave determined as 16 m x 6 m. At a depth of 2.30 m drilling was suspended due to contact with bodies in wax-fat transformation. [...] Area: 250 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 5: (...) Dimensions of the grave determined as 32 m x 10 m x 4.50 m deep. Contained pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further. Area: 1,350 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 6: (...) Dimensions determined as 30 m x 10 m x 4 m deep. [...] Area: 1,200 sq. m.[19]


Grave pit No. 7: [...] Dimension of the grave (in a shape closely resembling a trapezoid) was determined as 13 m x 14 m., and a height of 27m.at a depth of 4. 50m. [...] Area: 1,600 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 8: [...] Dimensions were determined as 28 m x 10 m x 4 m. [...] Area: 850 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 9: [...] Dimensions determined as 10 m x 8 m x 3, 80 m. [...] Area: 280 sq. m.

[...]

Grave pit No. 10: [...] Dimension determined as 24 m x 18 m x 5 m. [...] Area: 2,100 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 11: [...] Dimension determined as 9 m x 5 m x 1 90 m [...] Area: 80 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 12: located immediately to the north of grave No. 10; an L-shaped grave with the foot measuring 20 m lying to the west. The stem was 28 m in length, pointing north. A small number of pieces of unburned human bones were found at a depth of 3 m, mixed with grey sand and innumerable small fragments of carbonized wood. This layer extended to a depth of 4.40 m. Area: 400 sq. m

Grave pit No. 13: [...] Dimensions of the trapezoid-shaped grave determined as 12.50 m x 11.00 m x at a height of 17 m, 4.80 m. deep. [...] Area: 920 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 14: the largest grave basin in the camp that extended beyond the north fence into the area of the adjacent timber yard. The section within the fence is an irregular zigzag on the south side, measuring 37 m x 10 m at its widest point east to west, and 8 m at its narrowest, and 5 m deep. It contained burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey, sandy soil to a depth of 5 m. Originally grave No. 14 could have measured about 70 m. x 30 m. Area: 1,850 sq. m.

[...]

Grave pit No. 15: another small grave measuring 13.50 m x 6.50 m, with a depth of 4.50 m, [...] Area: 400 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 16: [...] Measuring 18.50 m x 9.50 m, it contained a mixture of burnt fragments of human bones and carbonized wood to a depth of 4.00 m. Area: 700 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 17: [...] measures 17 m x 7 m 50 m x 4 m. [...] Area: 500 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 18: [...] measuring 16 m x 9 m x 4 m. [...] Area: 570 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 19: [...] measuring 12 m x 12 m and containing a mixture of grey sand, burnt pieces of human bones, and carbonized wood to a depth of 4 m. Area: 500 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 20: in the form of a long trench at the western end of grave No. 14, it is the last one at the northern end of the group of 18 graves along the north fence. Like its neighbor, grave No. 14, it also extends beyond the north fence into the area of the adjacent timber yard. The section within the fence measures 26 m. x 11 m x 5 m. At a depth of 4 m. a dental bridge with four false teeth was found. Area: 1,150 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 21: [...]Dimensions determined as 5 m [...]. It is also unexpectedly shallow, being only 1.70 m deep [...] Area: 35 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 22: [...] Measuring 27 m on the long (east) side and 10 m on the south side, containing pieces of burnt human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sand to a depth of 3.50 m. Area: 200 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 23: [...] measuring 16 m x 8 50 m x 4 20 m and located between graves 6 and 21. [...] Area: 550 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 24: [...] measuring 20 m x 5 50 m x 5 m. [...] Area: 520 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 25: Dimension determined as 12 m x 5 m. Contained a mixture of burnt human remains, including corpses and skeletons, to a depth of 4 m. Below this level, there was a 1 m deep layer of waxy fat and greasy lime. [...] Area: 250 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 26: another small grave, measuring 13 m x 7 m x 4.20 m[...] Area: 320 sq. m.

[...]

Grave pit No. 27: measuring 18.50 m x 6 m x 6 m [...] Area: 450 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 28: [...] measuring 6 m x 6 m x 5 m [...] Area: 70 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 29: measuring 25 m x 9 m x 4.50 [...]. Area: 900 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 30: [...] measured 5 m x 6 m. Contained pieces of burnt human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sand to a depth of 2 70 m. Area: 75 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 31: similar in size to grave No. 30, measuring 9 m x 4 m x 2 60 m. [...] Area: 90 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 32: [...] measuring 15 m x 5 m. At the bottom of the grave at a depth of 4.10 m. lay a large number of unburned human bones. [...] Area: 400 sq. m.

Grave pit No. 33: a small, shallow grave measuring only 9 m x 5 m x 3 m [...] 120 sq. m.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/bel150.html

The surface and depth measures given by O'Neil are in fact consistent with those stated by Kola (cf page 74 in Mattogno's book). O'Neil has however erroneously used the word "Area" where he should have used "Volume". Quite a blunder!

One could believe that O'Neil sloppily used the wrong word when compiling a list, but it get's a little bit too stupid when in the next paragraph O'Neil states

The total surface of the mass graves is estimated at 21,000 square meters.


Surely everyone knows the difference between "surface" and "volume"? It's either an idiotic mistake, or some kind of half-assed attempt to deceive the unattentive reader.

The question directed at Kola and O'Neil remains: How could 600 000 - 800 000, or even an unspecified "hundreds of thousands of bodies", of uncremated bodies fit into 15-20 000 cubic meters?

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:44 am)

I know that Mathis&co try to defend the burial of 600 000 bodies in graves measuring 21 000 cubic meters by assuming that previous layers of corpses had decomposed and collapsed before fresh ones were thrown in. They are probably basing this on Reders statement in his book that

I was a member of the permanent death commando. We were 500 men all told. The 'professionals' accounted for half of the total, but even they were employed where no special skills were required, like digging pits and dragging corpses. We dug pits, enormous mass graves, and pulled bodies along. [...] We dug with spades, but there was also a machine which loaded sand, brought it to the surface, and emptied it beside the pits. There was a mountain of sand which we used to cover the pits when they were filled to overflowing. On average 450 people worked around the pits on a daily basis. What I found most horrible was that we were ordered to pile bodies to a height of about a metre above ground-level, and only then to cover them with sand. Thick, black blood ran from the mounds and covered the whole area like a sea. In order to get to the next empty grave we had to cross from one side of an already empty pit to another. Ankle deep we waded through the blood of our brothers. We walked over mounds of bodies. And this was most dreadful, most horrible...


Remember, the same Reder also stated before a court twice that the graves measured 100x25x15 meters, that there were 30 burial pits with the same dimensions and that they contained 3 million corpses, a 100 000 in each - and since he supposedly dug some of them himself, he if anyone should know.

There is some other problems with the hypothesis of Mathis&co. To begin with it is claimed that the pits were opened one at a time. With thousands of Jews gassed and buried each day, the one single pit open would fill up pretty quickly, especially considering that the largest grave found by Kola measures 2100 cubic meters, that merely 9 graves measures between 800 and 1800 cubic meters, and the remaining 22 has volumes between 75 and 600 cubic meters - i.e. most of the graves would be filled up by the corpses produced during 1-3 days. Since it is claimed that an average of 2000 Jews were sent to Belzec and gassed each day even the largest pits could have been filled up within a week or so. The wait-and-let-rot technique of accumulating corpses in a mass grave would probably not work very well unless a lot of pits were opened simultaneously.

Also, if this technique was used, it would be reasonable to dig graves with as large surface area as possible, since corpses decompose faster when exposed to air or under a thin layer of soil. Why then the large number of graves with small surfaces? 18 of them measures below 150 sq.m. Only 8 of them measures more than 300 sq.m., the largest of them 540 sq.m.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:58 pm)

Robin O'Neil is author of, Belzec: The Forgotten Death Camp, the 'East European Jewish Affairs', v. 28, no.2, 1998/9, p.49-62.

Here are the highlights:

- 2 alleged 'core samples'..hand drawn, not photographs...there are no photos showing what the drawing attempts to depict, why no photos?

- a photo of a piece of plastic with a star of David printed on it, sitting on some grass....so what?

- a photo of a human skull and a few bones strewn across a modern, paved surface...laughable, something from a high school theatre props cabinet that were simply placed there

- a photo of 4 spoons, a bottle, a comb.....polished & glistening in the sun, so what?

- a post WWII drawing that is supposed to be the 'gas chamber'....for which there is no credible evidence

- a list of things allegedly found: beer bottles, buttons, pieces of glass, etc., referred to as "very interesting"....boring actually and nothing you couldn't find in the average backyard

- reference to a Luftwaffe photo of 1944...not shown, ofcourse

- reference to the Communist 'Main Commission for the Investigation of Crimes Against the Polish Nation/Institute of National Memory, Warsaw....no actual study by this alleged commission shown, just given as alleged "source material", why do they hide it?

- reference to an alleged map prepared by the 'Lublin Region Surveyor's office in Zamocs'....alleged map not shown, ofcourse

- two maps alleging positions of "mass graves"....no photos of alleged mass graves shown, no verifiability of these maps possible, the usual

- claims of over 1700 'bore holes'....not one shown

Some assertions made in this 'report':

- gassed Jews were later exhumed and cremated at the rate of 2,000 per day....but no physical evidence exists to support that assertion, those Germans soldiers were magicians I suppose

- only one Jew survived, Chaim Herszman, the other 299 of the final labor crew used for removing all the traces were sent to Sobibor and shot on arrival....no evidence for that given, a mere assertion, typical

- the exhumation and cremation process took place between November, 1942 and March, 1943, all traces obliterated.... how convenient, but impossible

- stated: 'corpses not exhumed and burnt may have been the result of mass panic with insufficient time to destroy all evidence'....wrong, the Germans had plenty of advance notice of the approaching Red Army; so then show us the evidence to match the story

- the alleged "gas chambers" utilized Russian T-34 diesel tank engines, gas piped from each engine into "chambers" ....utterly absurd given the nature of diesel emissions and the desperate need for fuel at the front

- Kurt Gerstein is cited as an important provider of evidence, as is Chaim Hirszman, and Rudolf Reder....Gerstein has been shown to have made SIX different, highly conflicting 'confessions' with scientific impossibilities and absurdities galore, they don't mention that...the others do no better

Other than that we have text claiming sizes of the graves, alleged amounts of bodies, various location claims etc....but nothing in the way of verification, no photos of remains 'in situ', no photos of people at the site, nothing. The Belzec story remains a lie.

And this is what passes for 'holocaust evidence'

O'Neil relies heavily on Kola; but Kola has never supported his claim that he found any corpses and human remains at all. Why doesn't he show them?

A must read here:
'Kola beats Gerstein 10-0 / Belzec'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=3360

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:30 am)

To counterbalance the nonsense, I will give an example of Mr O'Neill saying something sane:

It may be possible during future investigations at Belzec to estimate at least an approximate number of corpses once contained in the 33 mass graves, based on the known number of corpses exhumed from mass graves at other sites: Katyn, Kharkhov, Miednoje, etc. and the contents and cubic capacity of these graves.

Robin O’Neil

Salisbury 2006


http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... eview.html

Yes, that would be a start.

The Katyn mass graves contained 1.2 corpses per cubic meter
The mass graves in Maliszewa just south of Treblinka 1 contained 3 corpses per cubic meter.

To fit 600 000 corpses into the 33 alleged mass graves of 21,000 cubic meters, one would have to pack 28.6 corpses per cubic meter. Considering that new massgraves were supposedly opened continuously, meaning that an average pit would have been filled up within a few weeks, this sounds rather impossible.

This is what an exhumated corpse from the Katyn massgraves looked like:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/1561/dissekeringkatyninternade9.jpg (slightly disturbing image)

It would be interesting to compare the type of soil at Katyn with that at Belzec. Note that the corpse in the picture had been lying in the ground for a far longer period of time (3 years) than the corpses at Belzec had at the longest (about 1 year).

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 11 months ago (Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:38 am)

Laurentz Dahl wrote:....
It is indeed a fortunate event that British ex-cop and self-styled Belzec "expert" Robin O'Neil has proclaimed his good Irish faith in the Miracle of the Ignitable Blood, this in his online book Belzec: Prototype for the Final Solution http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/belzec1.html :

It is interesting to note that during the excavations and burnings by Belzec's 'burners,' it was found that some bodies burned better than others. The recently gassed burned better than those from the first transports. Fat women burned better than thin women. Men did not burn well without women, whose fat is better developed than men's. For this reason, the bodies of women were used to build the base of the pyres intermixed with other bodies and combustible material. Blood, too, was found to be a very good combustible material and the young burned even better because of their softer flesh.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/bel100.html#68r

As source for this O'Neil uses the statements of accused Heinrich Gley and Robert Jührs made 11 October 1961. Surely the sworn statements of evul natzis prove that blood can be used as a fuel. :roll:

To be serious, Gley and Jührs statements rather strongly indicates that they had read or had to read passages from previous "witness accounts" and "reports" on the Reinhardt camps, among them in order to later plagiate them (or they inserted the absurd claim to reveal the show trial nature of the proceedings and the grotesque nature of the claims against them in a similar way that Eichmann may have done with his infamous "blood fountain").
Did they both 'confess' to the combustible blood? Does perhaps have someone the full statements, especially the ones from Gley?

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 11 months ago (Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:24 am)

Laurentz Dahl wrote:
And if we look at footnote 72:

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My assessment is confirmed. See: Höß, Auschwitz, 212: 'In addition the ashes were to be disposed of in such a way that it would be impossible to calculate the number of corpses burnt'.


This infers that the Camp Authorities were psychic, being able to dicern the future, at least 3 years in advance.
They knew they would lose the War.
They knew that some day, some one would be looking for the corpses.
They knew the German people faced the charges of "Genocide", even before Raphael Lemkin coined the term in 1944.

This merely confirms the existence of the "Germano-Vulcan Mind Meld".


To fit 600 000 corpses into the 33 alleged mass graves of 21,000 cubic meters, one would have to pack 28.6 corpses per cubic meter. Considering that new massgraves were supposedly opened continuously, meaning that an average pit would have been filled up within a few weeks, this sounds rather impossible.


It was possible using the "German Method"

Why do you persist in not believing this most self evident truth?
Wir brauchen eine Bewegung, die Deutschland endlich aus der Kontrolle der Kräfte von Versailles und Jalta befreit, die uns schon ein ganzes Jahrhundert lang von einer Kastastrophe in die andere stürzt.

Helga Zepp-LaRouche.

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Postby Reinhard » 1 decade 11 months ago (Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:55 pm)

Laurentz Dahl wrote:As many of You may know by heart, Jewish "Treblinka expert" Rachel Auerbach uttered the following stunning revelation in her work In the Fields of Treblinka (reprinted in A. Donat's Death Camp Treblinka):

[blood] was found to be a first-class combustion material
(Donat s.38 )

[...]

It is indeed a fortunate event that British ex-cop and self-styled Belzec "expert" Robin O'Neil has proclaimed his good Irish faith in the Miracle of the Ignitable Blood, this in his online book Belzec: Prototype for the Final Solution http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/belzec1.html :

It is interesting to note that during the excavations and burnings by Belzec's 'burners,' it was found that some bodies burned better than others. The recently gassed burned better than those from the first transports. Fat women burned better than thin women. Men did not burn well without women, whose fat is better developed than men's. For this reason, the bodies of women were used to build the base of the pyres intermixed with other bodies and combustible material. Blood, too, was found to be a very good combustible material and the young burned even better because of their softer flesh.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/belzec1/bel100.html#68r

As source for this O'Neil uses the statements of accused Heinrich Gley and Robert Jührs made 11 October 1961. Surely the sworn statements of evul natzis prove that blood can be used as a fuel. :roll:

To be serious, Gley and Jührs statements rather strongly indicates that they had read or had to read passages from previous "witness accounts" and "reports" on the Reinhardt camps, among them in order to later plagiate them (or they inserted the absurd claim to reveal the show trial nature of the proceedings and the grotesque nature of the claims against them in a similar way that Eichmann may have done with his infamous "blood fountain").


Hm, what's correct then? Image

Eliahu Rosenberg wrote:"It frequently happened that the corpses, especially those just freshly killed, didn't burn well, and so we had to pour gasoline over them" [...]

"In Treblinka we learned that little children burn better than grown men. All it takes is a match to light them. That's why the Germans, damn them, ordered us to put the children in the pit first."

http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndtreb.html


J.-F. Steiner wrote:"According to his [Herbert Floss's] research - which evidently had been far advanced - old bodies burned better than new ones, fat ones better than skinny ones, women better than men, and children not as well as women but better than men. From this it followed that old corpses of fat women were the ideal kind."

http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndtreb.html


Laurentz Dahl wrote:Luckily those paintings to which O'Neil attributes "immense value" has been made available online by our friends at deathcamps.org:

Image



O'Neil wrote:[...] another shows Wirth and Hering on horse-back riding through the streets of Belzec, chasing a Pole called Panasowiec and beating him with whips. Panasowiec died later from his injuries.[64] There is also a painting of the pre-war railway station in Belzec in summer. The purpose of painting these scenes is not fully known, but the evidential value is immense.


Oh, yes, indeed.
So Wirth and Hering were Wehrmacht officers, I presume?
For they wear Wehmacht uniforms, not SS uniforms on the painting.

By the way: where are the wips. I can find them on the painting. Image


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