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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:35 pm)

You will note that there has never been any excavations of the alleged massive Auschwitz pits...zippo, zero.

The 'holocau$t' Industry knows they won't find what is alleged. They don't dare try it.

Imagine if your neighbors were allegedly killed, and then allegedly cremated in pits, a heinous crime...right?
Add that to that assertion that the location of the pits was said to be specifically known. There would be a police or court ordered excavation immediately and any physcial evidence we would be examined and studied. The results of that forensic study would be public information, verifiable.
Not so with things 'holocau$tian'.

No excavations, no physical evidence as alleged = no 'holocaust' as alleged.

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:44 pm)

Turpitz wondered:
'Reading what you two have been conversing about (TMoran and Sailor)
a thought has crossed my mind, you might well have already thought this yourselves. But what's now starting to bother me is, if the water table is so high, as you two are both seem to think, (I presume there must be a large River, or lake somewhere near the camp!) Then how the hell does one go about burying people in mass graves?'

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Burial would be one problem but cremation in wet pits would be a bigger problem.

I wouldn't say for absolute fact that there was a perpetual high standing water table in the Auschwitz=Birkenau area but it seems there should have been one sufficient enough to hamper cremation in pits.

One could very well cite some Holocaust tales and go on that. One would be found in the book "Crimes in Poland" 1945 the 'first draft' of the Holocaust story before the damage control revisions appeared. In that it says the place was a quaggy marsh. Then there is a testimony/confession whatever that says the bodies in Auschwitz mass graves floated to the top because the ground was so wet.

Then there would be some more reliable facts. The area of Auschwitz-Bikenau receives the most annual rain in comparison to the rest of Poland being anywhere from 2 to 3 feet a year. See -
http://www.zazi.iung.pulawy.pl/Images/Maps/opad_rok.jpg . Click map in the squares East of Krakow for enlargement. Click 'Legend" to see what it all means.

Then there is the info that tells us that the transevaporation rate in the summers is more than the feed. But then again there are two major rivers within a kilometer or two of the camps, one being the Vistula, Poland's biggest. They are the meander (snake like) type which only occur in flat areas. We can see 'ox bow lakes' of the Vistula in the Allied aerial recon shots of the camp which are sections of the river bend that were cut off and isolated from the new course. Only in a place with some kind of water table can ox bow lakes exist.

Evidently there was a problem with standing water after rains since there were drainage ditches in and around the camp. They were about 3 to 4 feet deep. The alleged pits are said to have been up to 15 feet deep. Seems like at that depth there would have been enough pressure to force water out through the walls of the excavations and hamper any cremations.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Jul 11, 2003 5:24 pm)

The groundwater situation of Auschwitz/Birkenau is covered in two articles here, full text available:

from: 'The Revisionist', v.1, n.1, 2003
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/1_03.html

- "Cremation Pits" and Ground Water Levels in Birkenau
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/Mattogno14-17.html

excerpt:

Many former inmates as well as guards of the former National Socialist concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau claim that hundred thousands of corpses of murdered inmates were burned in ditches some 6 to 10 ft. deep. However, almost every book about Auschwitz points out that the entire grounds in and around the camp were swampy in those days. Since the 1970s, Holocaust revisionists have therefore claimed that the incineration of corpses in deep ditches would have been impossible due to the high ground water table in this swampy area, which would have quickly filled any deep ditch. After this argument spread widely with the so-called Leuchter Report in 1988,[1] it was argued that the ground water level during the operation of the camp was significantly lowered with the help of a sophisticated system of drainage ditches, thus allowing the open air incineration of corpses in deep ditches as attested to by various witnesses.[2] In May 2002, the controversy around Auschwitz focused even more on these open air incinerations, since a German mainstream journalist argued that most of the victims of the claimed mass murders of Auschwitz were supposedly disposed of using these open air incineration ditches.[3] Until recently, the effects of the ground water, and the questions arising from this matter, have not been investigated. Due to the availability of much-improved source materials after the end of the Cold War, this matter can now be investigated. The following two studies have thoroughly examined the existing primary documentary sources dealing with the ground water table in Auschwitz during World War II. As a result, the correctness of eyewitness accounts claiming incinerations in deep ditches must be called into question. The documents do not allow for any different interpretation: in the Birkenau area, the ground water table was about 0.30 to 1.20 m beneath the surface.


- Ground Water in the Area of the POW camp Birkenau, by Dipl.-Ing. Michael Gärtner, Dipl.-Ing. Werner Rademacher
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/GaertnerRa ... r3-12.html

excerpt:

Many former inmates as well as guards of the former National Socialist concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau claim that hundred thousands of corpses of murdered inmates were burned in ditches some 6 to 10 ft. deep. However, almost every book about Auschwitz points out that the entire grounds in and around the camp were swampy in those days. Since the 1970s, Holocaust revisionists have therefore claimed that the incineration of corpses in deep ditches would have been impossible due to the high ground water table in this swampy area, which would have quickly filled any deep ditch. After this argument spread widely with the so-called Leuchter Report in 1988,[1] it was argued that the ground water level during the operation of the camp was significantly lowered with the help of a sophisticated system of drainage ditches, thus allowing the open air incineration of corpses in deep ditches as attested to by various witnesses.[2] In May 2002, the controversy around Auschwitz focused even more on these open air incinerations, since a German mainstream journalist argued that most of the victims of the claimed mass murders of Auschwitz were supposedly disposed of using these open air incineration ditches.[3] Until recently, the effects of the ground water, and the questions arising from this matter, have not been investigated. Due to the availability of much-improved source materials after the end of the Cold War, this matter can now be investigated. The following two studies have thoroughly examined the existing primary documentary sources dealing with the ground water table in Auschwitz during World War II. As a result, the correctness of eyewitness accounts claiming incinerations in deep ditches must be called into question. The documents do not allow for any different interpretation: in the Birkenau area, the ground water table was about 0.30 to 1.20 m beneath the surface.

10. Conclusion
Burning pits of the depth alleged by witnesses were not possible in Birkenau


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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Jul 11, 2003 6:06 pm)

I had mentioned
One could very well cite some Holocaust tales and go on that. One would be found in the book "Crimes in Poland" 1945 the 'first draft' of the Holocaust story before the damage control revisions appeared. In that it says the place was a quaggy marsh. Then there is a testimony/confession whatever that says the bodies in Auschwitz mass graves floated to the top because the ground was so wet.

Additionally the testimony/confession whatever said the bodies were contaminating the water in the area.

I then related some real facts and Hannover showed up with some more.
But alas, who needs real facts when we have the Holocaust 'facts' that tells us there was substantial water in the ground?

It's just another example of how Holocaust 'facts' compromise other Holocaust 'facts'.

The Holocaust 'facts' are in, Auschwitz-Birkenau was a swamp so any pits dug in the area would have filled up with water as fast as they were being dug.


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