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Postby Hektor » 3 years 3 months ago (Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:32 am)

LazaB wrote:...
.Where did they go ?

To the East for example:
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Postby borjastick » 3 years 3 months ago (Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:19 am)

If Babi Yar happened and the remains of those killed were dug up, burned, crushed etc and then remained in the immediate vicinity then the jews would not have allowed building on the location as has happened. Similar to Treblinka it would have been turned into a war memorial type site and then concreted over to stop any credible investigation, just like Treblinka, Majdanek, Sobibor etc.

As for the 'where did they go', they were removed both by the Russians before the war and German assaults into the region and by the Germans themselves. There is plenty on this site and elsewhere about the removal of Jews from the area, as many as 2m if memory serves.
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Postby Werd » 3 years 1 month ago (Tue May 05, 2015 8:18 pm)

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... onism.html
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That's why it is denial, not revisionism. Part VIII: The Simferopol Massacres

Immediatly, Muehlenkamp claims that Graf and Mattogno's citation in "Treblinka" from Reginald T. Paget, defense council for Einstazgruppen commander General Field Marshall Erich von Manstein is useless because he is merely a defense council giving his unexpert opinion about how many Jews could or could not have been killed in a few days or a few weeks. One example:
"To me, the numbers stated by the SD appeared to be entirely impossible. Individual companies of about 100 men with about 8 vehicles are declared to have killed 10,000 to 12,000 Jews in two or three days. Since, as one will recall, the Jews believed in a resettlement and consequently took their belongings along with them, the SD could not possibly have transported more than twenty or thirty Jews respectively in one truck. For each vehicle, with loading, 10 km of driving, unloading and return, an estimated two hours had to elapse. The Russian winter day is short and there was no night driving. In order to kill 10,000 Jews, at least three weeks would have been necessary.
In one case we were able to check the numbers. The SD claimed to have killed 10,000 Jews in Simferolpol in November and declared the city free of Jews in December. Through a series of counter-tests, we were able to prove that the shooting of Jews in Simferopol had taken place on a single day, namely on November 16. There was only a single SD company in Simferopol. The place for the execution was situated 15 km away from the city. The number of victims could not have been greater than 300, and these 300 were in all probability not only Jews, but a collection of different elements who were under suspicion of belonging to the resistance movement

Roberto then chimes in.
Paget claims that there are reports in which «about 100 men with about 8 vehicles are declared to have killed 10,000 to 12,000 Jews in two or three days». This was impossible, Paget contends, because transporting the victims to the execution site was a bottleneck that could not be overcome as the special detachments of the SD had too few vehicles and couldn’t fill them to capacity with people because the Jews earmarked for execution took their belongings with them, believing they were to going be resettled.

Paget’s assumption underlying this claim is that the victims were taken with motor vehicles from the cities or towns where they lived to secluded execution sites somewhat further away. This was not necessarily so. At the Babi Yar massacre on 29/30 September 1941, for instance, the over 30,000 victims were marched in a long line to a ravine near the city of Kiev, where they were shot down. At Kharkov in mid-December 1941, about 15,000 Jews were marched to a tractor factory outside the city, at which they were concentrated and near which they were later shot, in the first days of January 1942. In my article Neither the Soviets nor the Poles have found any mass graves with even only a few thousand bodies ..., some evidence regarding this massacre is shown.

First, let's jump to his premises about how the Einsatzgruppen could have pulled off killing 10,000 to 12,000 Jews in two or three days.
For one thing, the Einsatzgruppen, as we shall see in regard to the massacre that will be more closely described later in this article, could count on vehicles made available by the German Wehrmacht, including captured enemy trucks and requisitioned civilian buses, in order to have a transportation capacity adequate to the size and intended time frame of the respective killing operation.

How does Roberto justify this?
The transport space available could further be stretched by stating a limitation to the amount of belongings that the Jews were allowed to take along for the alleged deportation, or by ordering them to leave behind all their belongings, which allegedly would be delivered to them later. This procedure was applied in killings with gas vans, see Kogon, Langbein, Rückerl et al, Nationalsozialistische Massentötungen durch Giftgas, page 91 (quote from the testimony of Ramasan Sabitovich Chugunov, platoon leader of a battalion of local auxiliary police, regarding the liquidation of the Minsk ghetto in Oktober 1943) and page 121 (testimony of Polish railway worker Vladyslav Dabrovski regarding transports to Chelmno extermination camp). As we will see later in this article, it was also applied on at least one occasion when Jews were driven to an out-of-town killing site to be shot there.

Sorry but the gas vans are total propaganda as pointed out before.
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=66095#p66095
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=66097#p66097
As concerns the transport time required, it is hard to understand why a 10 km drive including loading and unloading would take as long as Paget’s «estimated two hours». If the required pressure was applied, fifteen minutes for each loading at the place of concentration, driving (at a speed of merely 40 km/h), unloading and returning seems enough time. So the eight trucks that Paget mentions could, under my above assumptions, transport 400 Jews to the killing site every hour and 2,800 in one assumed winter working day from 9:00 to 16:00 hours. By increasing the number of vehicles through recourse to Wehrmacht stocks and/or requisitions, this number could easily be doubled or tripled.

And how would they increase the number of vehicles used to transport the Jews? Recall earlier the way to do it was with, captured enemy trucks and requisitioned civilian buses, in order to have a transportation capacity adequate to the size and intended time frame of the respective killing operation. These would not be gas vans, they would be used in conjunction with German made vehicles that were transformed into gas vans for the sole purpose of murder. The captured enemy vehicles would just be used for transport purposes.
The larger versions of the gas vans used by the Einsatzgruppen were described by several eyewitnesses as taking in 50, 60 or even more people at a time (Kogon et al, as above, page 87, quote from testimony of gas van driver Erich Gnewuch; page 91, quote from testimony of Chugunov, as above; page 98, reference to testimony of gas van driver Pauly; page 105, reference to testimony of Schiewer, member of Einsatzkommando 11a; page 128, quote from testimony of gas van driver Gustav Laabs, Chelmno; page 141, quote from written report by gas van driver Walter Piller). The measurements of the gassing compartment of one such van were stated to have been the following by gas van driver Burmeister, Chelmno (quote from testimony in Kogon et al, page 125): 4 to 5 meters long, 2.2 meters wide and 2 meters high – a loading area of at least 8.8 square meters, enough to accommodate at least 70 people. So we can assume that, if the trucks used to transport Jews to shooting sites were as big as the huge versions of the gas vans applied at a later stage of the extermination process, each of these trucks could carry at least 50 Jews to the respective shooting site.

Hence, Babi Yar was accomplished in the following way.
As to the tasks of cordoning off the killing site, ordering the victims to undress, leading them to the mass grave or ravine where or into which they were to be shot and shooting them down there, the special detachments of the Einsatzgruppen didn't perform these alone but with the assistance of other forces, such as the order police and the Wehrmacht's Feldgendarmerie (military police) and Geheime Feldpolizei (Secret Field Police). Thus, for instance, the Babi Yar massacre was carried out by Sonderkommando 4a of Einsatzgruppe C in cooperation «with the HQ of EGC and two Kommandos of the police regiment South». According to German historian Wolfram Wette ("Babij Yar 1941", in: Wolfram Wette / Gerd R. Ueberschär (editors), Kriegsverbrechen im 20. Jahrhundert, pages 152-164), Sonderkommando 4a was made up of members of the Sicherheitsdienst and the Sicherheitspolizei (Security Police), one company of a Waffen-SS battalion and one platoon of a police battalion, and reinforced by another two police battalions and units of Ukrainian auxiliary police; the task of supervising and guarding the march of Kiev’s Jews to the ravine in which they were killed was carried out by Wehrmacht troops under the orders of city commandant Eberhard.

And yet the ariel reconnisance photos show no evidence of a massive Babi yar massacre. No cremations. No trenches. No soil disturbance.
To sum it up, if «about 100 men with about 8 vehicles» (Paget) were not sufficient to kill the required number of Jews within the required time frame, additional human and material resources could be obtained to the extent required for achieving the desired result.

Could be obtained. The question is were they? And if there are any testimonies attesting to it, why should they be believed? This question is never answered and demonstrated satisfactorily. Roberto offers no proof of these extra captured vehicles being used and presents no trace of any person or document attesting to it in the holocaust narrative. Roberto is saying that because it could have happened, it therefore did. That is not enough. To skirt around this shortcoming, he then attempts to disprove the other allegation from Reginald T. Paget, defense council for Einstazgruppen commander General Field Marshall Erich von Manstein, that there was no mass execution of Jews at Simferopol. Although if Roberto is correct that many other police type detachments helped out with the regular Einsatzgruppen forces...
The "harsh atonement" began at Simferopol on 9 December 1941, when Sonderkommando 11b and the staff of Einsatzgruppe D wiped out the city's Krimchaks, probably at least 1,500 people. Thereafter the killing stopped for two days because Ohlendorf had to solve a personnel problem: the policemen of the 4th Company of Police Reserve Battalion 9, who had assisted Einsatzgruppe D in its massacres since the beginning of the Russian campaign, were tired of killing and had requested being given another duty. Their request had been granted, and Ohlendorf had to wait for the replacement unit, the 3rd Company of Police Reserve Batallion 3, to arrive at Simferopol.

When 3rd Company of Police Reserve Battalion 3 arrived at Simferopol, there was no time for getting its men used to the killing on a gradual basis. With the assistance of available men from other detachments of Einsatzgruppe D, the policemen of both police battalions and the detached members of FGA 683 and GFP 647, Braune’s Sonderkommando 11b and Ohlendorf’s staff of Einsatzgruppe D continued the execution on 11 December 1941.

then one COULD argue it was possible to kill well over a thousand Jews in Simferopol. And if that did happen, should that not be put in this thread?
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Re: Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked

Postby Review » 2 years 1 month ago (Mon May 16, 2016 7:14 pm)

Here's the article by Willian Lawrence on Babi Yar.

"Little Evidence Supports Story of Nazi Atrocity"
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... -nazi.html
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Postby Hannover » 2 years 1 month ago (Mon May 16, 2016 8:16 pm)

Surely if Babi Yar was an actual fact the communists / Zionists would have excavated it thoroughly and shown the world photos 24/7. Instead we get nothing but propaganda.
The same goes for any alleged enormous 'holocaust' mass grave. Revisionism would be dead overnight if a couple of the alleged enormous mass graves were excavated, verified, and shown.

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Postby onetruth » 2 years 1 month ago (Wed May 18, 2016 9:14 am)

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The debate on this subject is becoming all too familiar ...

Here is the order posted telling all the Kievan jews to assemble in the Russian , ukraine and german languages :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar# ... ijar14.jpg

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All Yids[a] of the city of Kiev and its vicinity must appear on Monday, September 29, by 8 o'clock in the morning at the corner of Mel'nikova and Dorohozhytska streets (near the Viis'kove cemetery). Bring documents, money and valuables, and also warm clothing, linen, etc. Any Yids[a] who do not follow this order and are found elsewhere will be shot. "

Now all is left for us is to determine is what happened to the ten of thousands jews that lived in this area. So how would we do that ???

According to revisionists tradition all the survivors testimonies are disregarded , same goes for the Nazis that took part in the murder confessions and local bystanders eye witness account.

Revisionists want to claim that something else happened to all those people which does not include being gunned down and thrown into a pit. But what do revisionists provide as evidence to their version of the event that involved tens of thousands of people ?

Accounts of Nazi germans that where there and tell a different version of how things happened = 0
Accounts of eye witness that saw the Jews being gathered but shipped elsewhere - whether it is to some camp or to the moon = 0
Accounts of any Jew or of another nationality that was assembled in the appointed place and was not shot and crawled out of a pit filled with bodies , but was send elsewhere ( we are talking about ten thousands of people after all surely they can find one ) = 0

I leave it to others to draw their conclusions , i know i have .

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Postby Dresden » 2 years 1 month ago (Wed May 18, 2016 11:55 am)

onetruth said:

"But what do revisionists provide as evidence to their version of the event that involved tens of thousands of people ?"

The lack of mass graves.

Aerial photos showing no sign of action in the area.

Have you read any of the threads on Babi yar?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41&hilit=babi+yar

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7307&hilit=babi+yar

search.php?keywords=babi+yar&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=13&sc=1&sf=titleonly&sr=topics&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search
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Postby Landulf » 2 years 1 month ago (Thu May 19, 2016 8:41 am)

Events that people claim took place, without evidence. Can be dismissed without evidence. Its easy...

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Postby Atigun » 2 years 1 month ago (Thu May 19, 2016 7:07 pm)

Can anyone explain to me why we should believe what is written on a piece of paper over absolutely NO demonstrable physical proof? For example, we have alleged eyewitnesses who have written that hundreds of thousands were gassed and buried at Treblinka yet there are NO mass graves at Treblinka. The notion that umpteen million were killed in "the East" but simply can't be found is beyond ridiculous, Father Desbois' claims notwithstanding. Such nonsense.

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Postby Werd » 2 years 1 month ago (Fri May 20, 2016 1:17 am)

Eyewitnesses are assumed to tell the truth. Find a few to say the same thing, bam. You have corroboration. A few newspaper stories to back it up and you have your story. No need to disturb any graves. That's disrespectful to the Jews. And if the aerial photos don't catch anything, that's because the Germans had just finished the final burial a day or two before the planes got there. Or they hadn't started yet and quickly got it done in two or three days after the planes flew overhead. I dunno. It's all very stupid. :lol:

http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/ ... ionism.php

5) The Einsatzgruppen reports

As proof for the alleged huge slaughter in the occupied Eastern territories, first and foremost are cited the so-called "Ereignismeldungen” (event reports) of the four Einsatzgruppen. These documents cover the period from June 1941 to May 1942 and mention numerous massacres, with victims occasionally numbering in five-digit figures. The "Ereignismeldungen” were supposedly found by the Allies in the Berlin RSHA. That the Germans let this sort of incriminating material fall into the hands of their enemies is strikingly odd.

The alleged slaughter of 33,711 Ukrainian Jews at Babi Yar near Kiev is the most notorious massacre ascribed to the Germans on the Eastern Front. This figure appears in an Einsatzgruppen report from 7 October 1941.26 According to the established version of the facts, these 33,711 Jews were shot and their bodies thrown into the ravine of Babij Yar on 29 September 1941. But the first witnesses told completely different stories: The massacre was perpetrated in a graveyard, or near a graveyard, or in a forest, or in the very city of Kiev, or on the shores of the Dnieper. As to the murder weapons, the early witnesses spoke of rifles, or machine guns, or submachine guns, or hand grenades, or bayonets, or knives; some witnesses claimed that the victims had been put to death via lethal injections whereas others asserted that they had been drowned in the Dnieper, or buried alive, or killed by means of electric current, or squashed by tanks, or driven into minefields, or that their skulls had been crushed with rocks, or that they had been murdered in gas vans.27 Now that is what we call good, solid evidence, is it not, Dr. Lindtner?

When the Red Army approached Kiev, the Germans allegedly dug up the mass graves and burnt the bodies. This work was reportedly finished on 28 September. But two days before, on 26 September, Babi Yar was photographed by a German reconnaissance aircraft. The air photo shows no fires, no open graves and no traces of human activity.28 As a matter of fact, there are some photographs of human remains at Babi Yar, although they do not appear in the file of the Soviet commission. Mattogno has analyzed these photographs. But I do not want to go into details here, so I suggest simply deleting this sentence.

So the report from 7 October 1941, which mentions an imaginary slaughter, is a fraud. This means that all other Einsatzgruppen reports are equally suspect from the beginning.

And.
Air Photo Evidence JOHN CLIVE BALL


4.3. Babi Yar

It is said that after the city of Kyiv was occupied by German troops the Jews of this city were taken to Babi Yar, a ravine at the northwestern edge of the city, near the Jewish cemetery. According to eyewitness accounts, they were shot there, thrown into the ravine, and buried - according to some witness statements, the ravine was also blasted and the bodies buried under the rubble.

In late summer of 1943, when the Front retreated again, the bodies were allegedly exhumed and cremated on gigantic funeral pyres or in pits. These activities allegedly ended on September 28, 1943, when the Kyiv area was already part of the main battle zone.[14]

Illustration 3 Imageshows the ravine of Babi Yar in an air photo taken by the Luftwaffe on September 26, 1943.[15] The part of the ravine (near the Jewish cemetery) where the massacre allegedly took place is shown as enlargement in illustration 4.Image What we see is in fact a placid and peaceful valley. Neither the topography nor the vegetation has been disrupted by human intervention. There are no access roads for the transport of humans or fuel, no fuel depots, no excavations, no burning sites, and no smoke.

We may conclude with certainty that no part of the Babi Yar ravine was subjected to topographical changes of any magnitude during the war years right up to the Soviet reoccupation of the area. The vegetation in this valley was also not disturbed.[16] Hence, there can have been no mass graves in these locations, and the mass cremations attested to can also not have taken place at this time.

[14] Cf. the chapter by H. Tiedemann, this volume.
[15] Ref. No. GX 3938 SG, exp. 104 and 105.
[16] This statement can be documented with further air photos showing the valley prior to the war and again after Soviet reoccupation: the vegetation in the valley has grown, but nothing else has changed (May 17, 1939: GX 988 - exp. 48, 49; April 18, 1944: GX 4793 SK - exp. 39, 40). Due to space limitations we have dispensed with showing these pictures here, and chosen one instead that shows the location during the time of the attested-to mass exhumation and mass cremation.

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Postby Hannover » 2 years 1 month ago (Fri May 20, 2016 9:41 pm)

onetruth says:
Here is the order posted telling all the Kievan jews to assemble in the Russian , ukraine and german languages :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar# ... ijar14.jpg

Now take a look at this ridiculous thing.

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Wikipedia claims it says:
"All Yids[a] of the city of Kiev and its vicinity must appear on Monday, September 29, by 8 o'clock in the morning at the corner of Mel'nikova and Dorohozhytska streets (near the Viis'kove cemetery). Bring documents, money and valuables, and also warm clothing, linen, etc. Any Yids[a] who do not follow this order and are found elsewhere will be shot. Any civilians who enter the dwellings left by Yids[a] and appropriate the things in them will be shot."
- Order posted in Kiev in Russian, on or around 26 September 1941.[10]
- Where is the proof that this is an actual German 'order' and not a communist / Zionist creation?
- It looks like something any typical propaganda unit with a crude printing press could have printed up.
- Why would the Germans post such an alleged public notice throughout the city knowing full well the potential for propaganda it would make?
- Why would the Germans allow such a public notice of alleged 'secret' actions?
They wouldn't.

Want another laugh?
Then search the alleged source, Michael Berenbaum, at this forum and witnesses yet another beat down of yet another Zionist charlatan.

Yes, this is the sort of laughable nonsense that passes for 'holocaust' proof.
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Postby flimflam » 2 years 1 month ago (Sat May 21, 2016 8:59 am)

Mass Graves at Vinnitsa / Poems at Babi Yar

from www.holohoax101.org/201/

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"Wild grasses rustle over Babi Yar,
The trees look sternly, as if passing judgement.
Here, silently, all screams, and, hat in hand,
I feel my hair changing shade to gray.

And I myself, like one long soundless scream
Above the thousands of thousands interred,
I'm every old man executed here,
As I am every child murdered here."


Yevtusheko's famous poem refers to 'the thousands of thousands interred', but in fact there are no bodies interred at Babi Yar. The mass grave shown in the photo is in Vinnitsa, Ukraine. There are no poems about Vinnitsa.

In the midst of WW II, the Nazis discovered mass graves in Vinnitsa, Ukraine. In the summer of 1943 they invited an international team of forensic experts, including pathologists from Belgium, France, Netherlands, and Sweden, to examine the bodies and to conduct autopsies. They exhumed 9000+ bodies. Over 600 were identified. For a full account see https://web.archive.org/web/20110101220 ... 14911.html

Babi Yar is a ravine just outside of Kiev, Ukraine, where the Nazis are alleged to have massacred and buried, according to the source, from 30,000 to 100,000 Jews. There are no mass graves at Babi Yar. There have been no excavations. There is not a shred of physical evidence of a massacre at Babi Yar. According to the holohoax, in the summer of 1943, concurrent with the international delegations at Vinnitsa not 100 miles away, the Nazis used Jewish prisoners to dig up the bodies at Babi Yar, cremate them on grates made from headstones from a nearby Jewish cemetary, and scatter the ashes in nearby farmland. Not a trace of the bodies, no bullets, no artifacts of any type, remain as evidence of the bodies, graves, or cremation. Since there are no graves there have been no excavations. Compare the evidence of the real massacre at Vinnitsa, perpetrated by the Soviet NVKD and investigated by the Germans and an international team of experts, with the non-existent evidence of the hoax massacre at Babi Yar, investigated by no one.

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Re: Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked

Postby onetruth » 2 years 1 month ago (Sat May 21, 2016 10:44 am)

I see not why this document of the Einsatgruppen could not be included in this thread. This is an early document of the Einsatgruppen dating 2 october 1941.

It states clearly that 33,771 Jews where executed on the 29 and 30 0f 9.1941

I have read the rebuttal on this thread of the Einsatgruppen documents but non of this particular document Einsatgruppen C , nor did i find anywhere in this forum a copy of this document.

I think it would only be fair for people to look at this document , provide accurate translation and impression . it is not serious to ignore this :

Here it is :

Einsatgruppen C , cover page

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Einsatgruppen C , 2nd page :

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Postby Dresden » 2 years 1 month ago (Sat May 21, 2016 3:48 pm)

onetruth said:

"I think it would only be fair for people to look at this document , provide accurate translation and impression . it is not serious to ignore this"

I don't speak German, so I can't provide an accurate translation of the document, but if you want an accurate impression, Atigun already provided that; just scroll up a little on this page.....here it is:

"Can anyone explain to me why we should believe what is written on a piece of paper over absolutely NO demonstrable physical proof? For example, we have alleged eyewitnesses who have written that hundreds of thousands were gassed and buried at Treblinka yet there are NO mass graves at Treblinka. The notion that umpteen million were killed in "the East" but simply can't be found is beyond ridiculous, Father Desbois' claims notwithstanding. Such nonsense"

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