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Vassili Grossman's "meticulous reconstruction"

Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:26 am)

The following is from a review of A Writer at War: Vasily Grossman with the Red Army, a collection of texts by Soviet-Jewish journalist/writer Vassili Grossman edited and translated by Antony Beevor and Luba Vinogradova. It appeared in The Jerusalem Report on May 15 2006 and was written by Matt Nesvisky. Bolds by me.

The Jewish issue was especially painful for Grossman. Since the first days of the Nazi attack, the writer had been tortured by his failure to extricate his beloved mother from Berdichev. For years Grossman could not determine if she was alive or dead. It would eventually be Grossman's fate to enter his hometown with a liberating Soviet army in 1944 and to discover the truth for himself: All 30,000 of Berdichev's Jews, including his mother, had been methodically massacred.

Yet another equally shattering experience awaited Grossman. It was his fate once again to be with the Soviet troops who discovered Treblinka. His report, based on relentless interviewing of survivors, of captured death-camp personnel and of peasants from the area, made for an article of staggering impact. Yet it is only in his diary, and not in the account published in November 1944, that Grossman could refer to the victims as Jews.

The piece, replete with Grossman's outrage and disgust, was eventually cited at the Nuremberg trials, and one can only imagine its effect when it first appeared in print. Entitled "The Hell Called Treblinka," the article is a meticulous recreation of the killing ground. Beevor quotes more than 20 pages of the article, and even readers who think they "know what happened" in the death camps are likely to be staggered and sickened anew. I will quote only from Grossman's conclusion:

"The earth is throwing out crushed bones, teeth, clothes, papers. It does not want to keep secrets. And the objects are climbing out from the earth, from its unhealing wounds. Here they are, half- ruined by decay, shirts of the murdered people, their trousers, shoes, cigarette cases... towels with Ukrainian embroidery, lace underwear, scissors, thimbles, corsets, bandages.... And further on - it is as if someone's hand is pushing them up into the light, from the bottomless, bulging earth - emerge the things that the Germans had tried to bury, Soviet passports, notebooks with Bulgarian writing in them, photographs of children from Warsaw and Vienna....

"We walk on and on across the bottomless unsteady land of Treblinka, and then suddenly we stop. Some yellow hair, wavy, fine and light, glowing like brass, is trampled into the earth, and blonde curls next to it, and then heavy black plaits on the light- coloured sand, and then more and more. Apparently, these are the contents of one - just one sack of hair - which hadn't been taken away. Everything is true. The last, lunatic hope that everything was only a dream is ruined.... And one feels as if one's heart could stop right now, seized with such sorrow, such grief, that a human being cannot possibly stand it."

Thus the response of a battle-hardened war correspondent - a man who with much justification believed he had already seen the worst mankind could offer. But the Treblinka experience was only part of the grief that would dog Grossman to the end of his days. In late 1943, Grossman joined fellow writer Ilya Ehrenburg in a project to document Nazi war crimes for the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, a group at first endorsed by Stalin (in a ploy for gaining Western aid) and then later denounced by him. Most of the Jewish writers involved in the project would eventually be jailed or executed. Like Ehrenburg, Grossman unaccountably survived, but to his profound dismay and incomprehension, the findings of the committee, slated to be published as "The Black Book," were long suppressed.


The article do not mention that the "Black Book" is full of utter bs, that the Nuremberg trial documents were full of the same stuff, or that Ilya Ehrenburg was a genocidal propagandist who urged Red Army soldiers to rape and murder all Germans they encountered.

Nesvisky further do not mention that no names of the supposedly relentlessly interviewed survivors, peasants and captured "perpetrators" appears in Grossman's ridiculous Treblinka pamphlet.

How can Grossman's text be called "a meticulous recreation of the killing ground"? Let me give you some quotes from it (this is from The Treblinka Hell: Photographic Album of Martyrs, Heroes and Executioners by Vasili Semenovich Grossman Translated from the Russian Edited by Gershon Aharoni Tel-Aviv, 1984 Judaica Collection):

Grossman on the three murder methods employed at Treblinka

Various means were employed to effect this mass slaughter. One of them was by forcing into the chambers the exhaust fumes from the engine of a heavy tank that served as a motor at the Treblinka power station. These fumes contained two to three percent of carbon monoxide, which has the property when inhaled of combining with the hemoglobin of the blood to form a stable compound known as carboxyhemoglobin.
Carboxyhemoglobin is far more stable than the compound of oxygen and hemoglobin formed in the course of the respiratory process. In some
fifteen minutes the hemoglobin combines with carbon monoxide to form a stable compound and is no longer capable of serving as an oxygen carrier. The victim begins gasping for air, but no oxygen reaches the
suffocating organism; the heart beats as if ready to burst, driving blood into the lungs, but the poisoned blood can no longer assimilate the oxygen in the air. Breathing becomes hoarse, all the symptoms of painful
strangulation appear, consciousness dims, and the victim perishes just as ifhe had been strangled.
The second method, and one that was the most widely used, was pumping air out of the chambers with suction pumps until the victims were dead. As in the case of the first method, death was caused by depriving the victims of oxygen.
The third method, used less but nevertheless used, was murder with steam. This method, too, aimed at depriving the organism of oxygen, fothe steam was used to expel the air from the chambers. Diverse poisons, too, were employed, but this was experimentation; the first two were the methods generally used for mass murder on industrial scale.
(p.23)

Grossman on the victim figure

At average operations pace the lethal chambers of the Treblinka hell were filled at least two ro three times a day (there were days when they were filled as many as six times). At the lowest estimate, two loadings a day of the new chambers alone meant the destruction of some 10,000 persons daily or some 300,000 every month. Treblinka was in operation every day for thirteen months. If however, we allow ninety days for stoppage, repairs and hitches in the delivery of the victims, it still leaves ten months of continuous operation. If the average number of victims a month was 300,000, in ten months Treblinka destroyed three million lives. Again we have the same fearful figure: three million; the first time we arrived at it through a deliberately low estimate of hte number of victims brought in by train.
(p.23)

Some tearjerking greuelpropaganda from Grossman

The SS men subjected the group of rebels from the Warsaw ghetto to especially- vicious torture. They picked out the women and children and took them not to the gas chambers but to the cremation ovens. They forced the mothers, half crazed with terror, to lead their children between the red-hot bars on which thousands of dead bodies writhed and squirmed from the heat, twisting and turning as though alive; where the bellies of dead women with child burst open from the heat and still-born infants burned up inside rent wombs. This spectacle was enough to rob the strongest man of his reason, but the Germans knew that its effect would be a thousand times more terrible on a mother who was frantically trying to shield the eyes of her children from the ghastly sight while they shrieked in terror: "Mama, mama, what are they going to do to us? Will they burn us?" There were no such scenes in Dante's inferno.
After they had amused themselves sufficiently with this spectacle, the Germans actually did throw the children into the names.
[text missing in translation] superhuman effort to obtain a whit more breathing space for her child in order that his last anguished gasps might be alleviated if only by one-millionth by this last evidence of maternal solicitude. We can hear some young girl, her tongue turning to lead, ask
piteously: "But why are they suffocating me, why?" What visions passed before the glassy eyes of the victims as their heads spun and their breath was stifled in their bodies? Their childhood, the happy days of peace, the last painful journey. Someone may have remembered the leering face of the SS man on the station square and thought: "So that is why he laughed!" The brain swam, consciousness faded and the last moment of terrible agony came ....
(p.23-4)

Some typical anti-German propaganda

There is no doubt that had it been convenient or advantageous for the SS to extract the teeth from living people, they would have done so with no compunction, but evidently it was simpler to extract the teeth from corpses.
(p.24)

Grossman on the grave pits and cremations

The huge excavators operated day and night, digging huge dark ditches hundreds of metres long and many metres deep. And the ditches stood open. They were waiting. They did not wait long.
(p.24)

So where exactly are those mass graves? If Grossman was there, he should have been able to discern the outlines of the filled in pits. By the way how come other writers and "eye witnesses" claim the pits had widely different dimensions?

The SS Reichsfuhrer left the camp the same day. Before his departure Himmler issued an order to the camp command that dumb-founded them all - Hauptsturmfuhrer Baron von Pfein; his assistant Korol, and Captain Franz. The order was to .proceed immediately to burn all the buried corpses, every single one of them, and to carry the ashes and residue out of the camp and strew them over the fields and roads. Inasmuch as there were already millions of corpses in the ground this seemed an incredibly difficult task. Moreover, the freshly killed victims were not to be buried, but burned at once.


Yes, burning 3 million corpses on a few rail road grates within the space of a few months seems quite impossible, but not to Grossman.

At first there was considerable trouble with the cremation: the bodies would not burn. True. it was observed that the bodies of the women burned better. Large quantities of gasolene and oil were used up, but this was expensive and in any case the effect was insignificant. Things began to look serious, when there arrived from Germany a thickset SS man of about fifty, an expert in his line. One cannot but marvel at the experts begotten by the Hitler regime - there were expert baby killers, expert stranglers, expert gas chamber designers and experts who specialized in the scientifically organized destruction of large cities in the course of a single day. So, too, an expert specializing in exhuming and buming millions of human bodies was found. Under his' direction they, began to build furnaces. These were a special type of furnace, for neither the Lublin furnace nor those of the largest crematorium in the world could ever have handled such a gigantic number of corpses in so short a time as was required at Treblinka.
(p.24-5)

Hmm... so outdoor incinerations are more efficient than crematory ovens? Strange that someone would actually build a crematory if that was true. Btw the Russian propaganda machine which Grossman clearly was a part from claimed that 1.5 million people were killed and burned in a few crematory ovens at Majdanek (Lublin which Grossman refers to)

The construction is patently absurd, at odds with both practical reality, "eyewitness accounts" and the (modern) orthodox Treblinka story:

The excavator dug a pit 250-300 m. long, 20-25 m. wide and 6 m. deep. Three rows of evenly spaced reinforced concrete pillars 100-120 cm. high were installed across the length of the pit to support steel beams that were laid along them. Rails were then laid crosswise across these beams at intervals of five to seven centimetres. The result was the grating of a titanic firebox. A new narrow-gauge railway was laid from the burial pits to the furnace pit. Soon afterwards a second and then a third furnace of like dimensions were built. Each of these furnaces took 3,500 to 4,000 corpses at a loading.
(p.25)

Where are the traces of those three gigantic ditches (which would have occupied more or less the whole area of the alleged "upper camp" aka "death camp" area)? Grossman surely must have seen traces of it if it was true!

Why dig a 6 meter deep ditch? It surely would have struck groundwater.

How could the fire be practically maintained with the dimensions and construction alleged by Grossman?

More than 800 prisoners (which is more than the number of workers in the blast-furnace or open-hearth departments of big iron and steel plants) were engaged in burning the corpses. This monster workshop operated day and night for eight months wihtout let up, but it could not cope with the millions of buried bodies. True, new batches of victims continued to arrive all the time, which added to the load on the furnaces.
(p.25)

800 workers? All other sources I have seen claims that the workers in the "death camp" part numbered around 300.

Operated for eight months? Grossman claims, without giving dates, that the cremations were begun some time after the visit of Himmler to Treblinka at the "end of winter 1943" (p.24). However, Treblinka was shut down in mid-August 1943, which would place Himmler's visit in the earliest days of January 1943 or in December 1942. Most orthodox historians claim that the incinerations lasted for about 4 months.

Grossman on "truth"

It is the duty of a writer to tell the truth however gruelling, and the duty of the reader to learn the truth. To turn aside, or to close one's eyes to the truth is to insult the memory of the dead. The person who does
not learn the -whole truth will never understand what kind of enemy, what sort of monster, our great Red Army is waging battle against to the death.
(p.25)
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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:46 am)

Some more ridiculous greuelpropaganda of Grossman:

The camp's chief commandant selected a few children from one batch of prisoners, killed their parents, dressed up the children in fine clothes, fed them with sweets, played with them, and a few days later, when he was bored with them, ordered them to be killed.
(p.26)

Note that Grossman never produces any sources to his grotesque tales.

Grossman also claims that the Germans routinely raped Jewish women:

One of the chief sources of entertainment were the night orgies of violence against young and beautiful women and girls who were selected from every group of victims. The next morning the rapers personally
escorted their victims to the lethal chambers. This was how the SS, the bulmark of the Hitler regime, the, pride of fascist Germany, amused themselves at Treblinka.
(p.26)

Grossman on the disposal of the ashes:

Charred bones and ashes were carried outside the camp grounds. Peasants from the village of Wulka were mobilized by the Germans to load the ashed on carts camp to the Polish labour camp. Child prisoners threw shovelfuls of ashes onto the road from the carts. Sometimes they would find melted gold coins or gold dental crowns among the ashes. These juvenile prisoners were called the "children from the black road,"
because the ashes made the road black as a mourning ribbon. Car wheels made a peculiar swishing sound as they rolled over this road. When I travelled this way kept hearing mournful swoosh; coming from beneath the wheels like a low, timid plaint.
The peasants carted the charred bones and ashes from the spring of 1943 until the summer of 1944. Every day twen ty ca rts wen t ou t, each one making six or eight trips in the course of the day. In every load
(p.26-7)

This road is visible on aerial photographs of the area, so how come no excavations of this area have turned up the ashes from millions of murdered people?

I will be back with more excerpts from Grossman's "meticulous reconstruction of the killing ground".

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Postby J William » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:32 am)

There is no doubt that had it been convenient or advantageous for the SS to extract the teeth from living people, they would have done so with no compunction, but evidently it was simpler to extract the teeth from corpses.


Wouldn't it have been even easier to just pick up the melted gold from the teeth after cremation? Kind of like gold prospecting for nuggets from the cremains. Just pick up the gold after the bones are removed after cremation. Dental gold melts in the 12-1500 degree F range while the crematoriums operated in the 1800-2000 degree F range. A much more efficent system to recover all the dental metals as I doubt there was an inspection by the SS to ensure that no teeth with gold were overlooked. Of course this method of recycling metals woundn't be too efficent in the alleged pit burnings.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:10 pm)

This is so typical, statements like:
His report, based on relentless interviewing of survivors, of captured death-camp personnel and of peasants from the area, made for an article of staggering impact.

... the article is a meticulous recreation of the killing ground ...

Everything is true.

are supposed to intimidate the reader into accepting the garbage in, garbage out conclusions. It's part of the facade which tells us that everything is as claimed. Judeo-supremacists are essentially telling everyone:
'Don't bother to fact check, don't think rationally, don't think scientifically, just believe and do what we say'.

And of course, if you don't accept the tin-foil hat, bizarro world of judeo-supremacist 'facts', they will have you arrested for Thought Crimes.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:02 am)

The quotes I made above are all from the last three pages of a total 26 (in this translation and edition), you can find a dozen outrageous statements I will be back with some more quotes later on.

The "black road" made by ashes is an especially damning detail of Grossman's yarn. Since Grossman allegedly was in Treblinka in 1944, just a few months after the "road work" was supposedly finished, he would have been able to see this ash road for himself, as well as verify that it contained human ashes.

Grossman seems to have no concept of the amount of ashes hundreds of thousands of incinerated corpses would generate, not to mention the 3 million corpses he alleged. If we say that the small road between Treblinka II and Treblinka I is 1 kilometer, it would mean at least 1 ton of ashes per meter road, even if just a fraction of the alleged ashes were used.

Moreover, the notion that someone would try to hide the traces of a gigantic mass murder through using the ashes from the dead in building a road leading from the killing ground itself is ridiculous. It would be almost impossible to get rid of thousands of tons of ashes anyway.

As a bonus, this black ash road is not mentioned in the highly spurious Soviet-Polish commission report, at least not as far as I am aware.

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Postby diaz52 » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:28 am)

"The earth is throwing out crushed bones, teeth, clothes, papers. It does not want to keep secrets. And the objects are climbing out from the earth, from its unhealing wounds. Here they are, half- ruined by decay, shirts of the murdered people, their trousers, shoes, cigarette cases... towels with Ukrainian embroidery, lace underwear, scissors, thimbles, corsets, bandages....


Immediately after the war, the Earth apparently changed its mind, and decided that it does in fact want to keep secrets... The Earth is so fickle that way. That must explain why there's no physical evidence of 3 million burned bodies anywhere in the vicinity of Treblinka... Haw haw!!! :lol: Honestly, the ridiculous nonsense that these people put out day after day, year after year, decade after decade just cracks me up man... Haw haw!! :lol:
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Postby Henry » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:48 am)

It really is simply stultifying that the Powers That Be would like us to believe a Pravda shill.

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Postby Malle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:32 am)

Laurentz Dahl wrote:If we say that the small road between Treblinka II and Treblinka I is 1 kilometer...


About the distance between Treblinka I and II.

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=150
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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:37 pm)

Malle wrote:
Laurentz Dahl wrote:If we say that the small road between Treblinka II and Treblinka I is 1 kilometer...


About the distance between Treblinka I and II.

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=150


Thank you for clearing this up.

Your photo of the black road and the sign seems to be offline. Could you upload it anew?

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:13 pm)

1. Grossman on the location of Treblinka

Many of those who were brought to Treblinka in 1942 may have had occasion to travel this way before the war. Staring out over the desolate landscape of pines, sand, more sand and again pines, scrubland, heather, unattractive station buildings and railway crossings, the pre-war passenger might have allowed his bored gaze to pause for a moment on a single-track spur running from the station into the forest to disappear amid the dense pines. This spur led to a pit where white sand was extracted for industrial purposes.
The sand pit is situated about four kilometres from the station in an open stretch of country surrounded on all sides by pine woods. The soil here is poor and
barren, and the peasants do not cultivate it. And so the land is bare but for a few patches of moss and an occasional sickly pine. Now and then a jackdaw or a bright-combed hoopoe wings past, but no bird stops to build its nest here.
This desolate wasteland[b] is the spot Heinrich Himmler, the SS Reichsfuhrer, selected and approved for the site of a slaughterhouse the like of which the human race has not known from the age of primitive barbarism to these cruel days of ours. The main SS slaughterhouse, surpassing those at Sobibor, Majdanek, Belzec and Oswiecim. was located here.
(p.13 [the first page of the text])

Desolate wasteland? As Mattogno and Graf points out in their monograph on Treblinka camp:

As pointed out in our Introduction, the Treblinka camp was surrounded by quite a number of villages and hamlets. Within a radius of 10 km were the small towns of Wólka Ogralik, Poniatowo, Grady, Treblinka, Malkinia, Zawisty Dzikie, Rostki Wlk., Rytele, Swieckie, Olechny, Wszolki, Jakubiki, Tosie, Kosów Lacki, Debe, Zochy, Rostki, Maliszewa, Guty, Bojewo, Brzózka, Kolodziaz;, Orzelek, Zlotki, Prostyn, Kielczew.


It may or may not be true that the soil surrounding the gravel pit (or sand pit as at least the translation has it) was not cultivated, but as is evident from air photographs, the fields surrounding the "extermination camp" were cultivated.

[b]2. Grossman on the liquidation of the Treblinka labor camp


Early in the morning of July 23 [1944], the guards and SS men took a stiff drink and set to work to wipe out all trace of the camp. By nightfall all the inmates had been killed and buried. Only one man survived - Max Levit, a Warsaw carpenter, who was only wounded and lay beneath the bodies of his comrades until nightfall, when he crawled off into the forest. He told us how as he lay there at the bottom of the pit he heard a group of some thirty yound lads singing a popular Soviet song, "Vast Is My Native Land," before being shot down; heard one of the boys cry out:" the Allies will avenge us!"; heard the boys' leader, young Leib, who had been everyone's favourite in the camp, scream after the first volley: "Panie Watchman, you didn't kill me! Shoot again, please! Shoot again!"
(p.14)

Seems more like Soviet propaganda fiction than reality to me.


3. Grossman knows a lot about Treblinka I

We know of the savage orgies in which the Germans indulged; we know that they raped girls and shot them immediately afterwards; that they pushed people off a tower six metres high; that drunken Germans broke into the barracks at night, grabbed ten or fifteen prisoners and calmly commenced to demonstrate their adeptness in murdering their victims by shooting through the heart, the back of the head, the eye, the mouth or the temple. We know the names of the SS men in this camp, we know their characters and idiosyncracies. We know about the chief of the camp, a Dutch German named Van Eipen, an insatiable murderer and sex pervert who had' a passion for good horses and reckless riding. We know about the massively-built young Stumpfe who was invariably overcome by a paroxysm of uncontrollable laughter whenever he killed anyone or when executions were carried out in his presence.

[...]

We know Sviderski, the one-eyed German from Odessa, known as the "hammer expert" because of his consummate skill at killing without firearms. Within the space of a few minutes he hammered to death fifteen children between the ages of eight and thirteen declared unfit for work. We know the skinny SS man known as "old Preifi," a gloomy and morose individual who looked like a Gypsy. "Old Preifi" relieved the monotony of his existence by sitting near the garbage dump and shooting camp inmates who would steal over to pick up potato peels. He would force his victim to open his jaws and then shoot him in the mouth.
We know the names of the professional murderers Schwarz and Ledeke who amused themselves by shooting at prisoners returning from work. They killed twenty to forty people every day.
(p.14)

Grossman knows a lot about sadistic Germans at the labor camps and their indescribable deeds, but he won't give any sources to his "knowledge", as usual.

And of course, Ilya Ehrenburg's pal does not forget to connect this alleged sadistic violence with the German national character:

The order that existed in the camp; the documentation of the murders; the predilection for monstrous practical jokes faintly reminiscent of the jokes of drunken German student brawls; the chorus singing of sentimental songs amid pools of blood; the speeches they were continually delivering to their doomed victims; the sermons and pious, neatly printed texts hung all over the place - all these were the monster dragons and reptiles that had sprung from the embryo of traditional German chauvinism, the arrogance,
conceit, vanity, self-assurance, slobbery nestfeathering and utter indifference to the fate of all living beings, arising from a fierce, blind conviction that German science, music, poetry, language, flower beds, waterclosets, sky, beer and homes were the finest
and best in the whole universe. The horrible vices and fearful crimes of these people were offshoots of the vices of the German national character.
(p.14)


4. Grossman on the alleged secrecy of Treblinka II

Within three kilometres of the labour camp the Germans built a slaughterhouse for Jews. Construction was started in May, 1942, and proceeded at a rapid pace with more than a thousand workers on the job. Everything in this camp was adapted for death. It was
Himmler's intention to keep this camp a dead secret. Not a single human being was to leave it alive. And no outsider was permitted to approach the place. Anybody who chanced within a kilometre of the camp was shot at without warning. Luftwaffe craft were forbidden to fly over this area,
(p.14)

Grossmans allegation that anyone within a kilometer of the camp would be shot by guards is nonsense. There are many local witnesses who mention working close to the camp perimeter. Robert Faurisson met one of them:

http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/1/Faurisson78-82.html

This by the way is how Grossman claims the arriving trains were managed:

When one batch of cars had been unloaded, the non-commissioned SS officer on duty would signal for the next twenty cars. When all sixty cars were empty, the camp officials would telephone to the railway station for the next train, while the empty train would proceed further up the line to the sand pit, where it would load up with sand and pull out for Treblinka and Malkinia.
(p.15)

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:56 pm)

5. Grossman's calculation of the number of victims

For thirteen months the trains rolled in to Treblinka. Each train consisted of sixty cars, and on each,'car were chalked the figures 150, 180, 200, depending on the number of people inside. Railway workers and peasants secretly kept count of these trains. Kazimierz Skarzunski, a sixty-two-year-old peasant from the village: of Wulka (the inhabited point nearest to the camp), told me that on some days as many as six trains
would pass along the Siedlec line alone and hardly a day passed throughout these thirteen months without at least one train passing by. And yet the Siediec line was but one of the four railways supplying Treblinka. Lucjan Zukowa, a railway section hand mobilized by
the Germans for work on the line between Treblinka and Camp No.2, said that from one to three trains were sent up to the camp from Treblinka. every day between June 15, 1942, and August 1943, the period he worked there. Each train had sixty cars and in each
car there were no less than one hundred and fifty people. We are' in possession of dozens of similar statements. Even if we were to cut the figures cited by witnesses of the movement of trains to Treblinka by one half, the number of people brought there during
the thirteen months would amount to something like three million.
(p.15)

So Grossman apparently sees his absurd 3 million figure as a lowest estimate...


6. Grossman on the dimensions of Treblinka II

The fenced-in area of the camp with its warehouses for the belongings of the executed, platforms and other auxiliary premises occupied an insignificant area, 780 metres in length and 600 metres in width.
(p.15)

The actual area of Treblinka II was approximately 14 hectars, not the 46.8 hectars Grossman makes it out to be. Also, it was not rectangular in shape as Grossman seems to claim here.


7. Grossman on his sources

Everything recorded here has been compiled from the accounts of living witnesses, the testimony of people who worked in Treblinka from the first day of its existence until August 2, 1943, when the doomed people who made up its population rose up against their executioners, set fire to the camp and escaped into the woods, and from the testimony of apprehended guards who bit by bit confirmed and in many respects supplemented the stories of the eye-witnesses. I have seen these people and heard their stories and have their written testimony before me as I write this. All this voluminous evidence emanating from so many different sources dovetails in every respect, beginning with the description of the habits of Bari, the commandant's dog, and ending with the technology of murder and the rnechanism of the death conveyor.
Let me conduct you through the hell on earth that was Treblinka.
(p.15-16)

8. Grossman on the number of daily arrivals

Anything up to 20,000 people passed through Treblinka every day. Days when only six or seven thousand came out of the station building were considered wasted. The square was filled with people four and five times a day. And all these thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people with the frightened, questioning eyes, all these young and old faces, these pretty dark-haired and fair-haired girls, the stooped and baldheaded old men, the timid youngsters - all of them merged into a single flood that swept away reason, human knowledge, maidenly love, childish wonder, the coughing of old men and the throbbing hearts of living human beings.
(p.16)

The absurd figure of 20 000 arrivals per day recalls the "reports" by Kurt Gerstein, who also wrote that Belzec and Treblinka had a capacity of 20 000 victims per day. Most likely both Gerstein and Grossman derived this figure from the same source, "intelligence reports" spun by allied black propaganda experts.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:58 pm)

9. The camouflaged fence surrounding Camp II

According to Grossman, the fence surrounding Camp II (the "death camp" part of Treblinka II) was not just an ordinary barbed-wire fence with tree branches woven in.

What was behind that massive six-metre wall completely covered with yellowing pine branches and blankets? The blankets too inspired fear: they were quilted or gaily coloured, silk, or in calico covers, exactly like those lying in the bedrolls of the newly arrived travellers. How had they come here? Who had brought them? And where were their owners? Why had they no further use for their blankets? And who were these men with the blue bands on their arms? They began to recall all the stories they had heard recently, all the terrifying rumours that had been whispered back and forth. No, no, it could not be! And they dismissed the fearful thought.
(p.17)

A massive six meter wall? Shouldn't this be visible from even outside the camp? And wouldn't it be very laborious to have to change the pine branches covering this huge wall every now and then?

The six meter wall, now transformed into a fence (which might have to do with the translation) reappears in the following passage describing what the victims would pass by on their way to the gas chambers. Note that it does not fit very well with most maps of Treblinka (for example http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap9.jpg btw note the proximity of the "waste combustion area" to the alleged "death camp" with its "roasts"... hmm...).

Inside they walked past tank obstacles, past the barbed-wire fence three times the height of a man, past an anti-tank ditch three metres wide, past thin coils of steel wire strewn on the ground to trip up the fugitive and catch him like a fly in a spiderweb, and again past a high barbed-wire fence.
(p.17)

10. Of gas chambers and soaps

This is according to Grossman's account the orders that were given to the victims before entering the gas chambers disguised as baths:

"Women and children are to remove their footwear on entering the building," barks the same voice.
"Stockings are to be placed inside shoes. Children's stockings inside children's sandals, boots and shoes. Be orderly."
And again: "On entering the bathhouse take with you valuables, documents, money, soap and towel .... I repeat .... "
(p.19)

So the Jewish slave workers who supposedly dragged the corpses from the gas chambers would have to take care of thousands of soaps and towels, too. Seems a bit impractical... at least if one is not heretic enough to suggest that "the victims" were to take a real shower.

But wait, Grossman claims that the soaps and towels never reached the gas chambers:

Suddenly the soap and towels were knocked out of their hands. They were lined up five in a row and marched off to the accompaniment of rapped out commands:
"Hande hoch! Marsch! Schneller! Schneller!"
They were marched down a straight avenue about 120 metres long and two wide, and bordered by flowers and firs. This path led to the place of execution.
(p.20)

This is what happened to the cut of women's hair:

I asked many people what the German did with all the hair they removed from the heads of these living corpses. According to all the witnesses, the huge mountains of black, golden, chestnut hair, straight, curly and braided, were first disinfected and then pressed into sacks and shipped to Germany. All the witnesses questioned confirmed that the sacks containing this hair had German addresses on them. What was it used for? None of the camp personnel could answer this question. According to the written testimony of one Kohn, however, the hair was used by the navy to fill mattresses, to make hausers for submarines and for other similar purposes.


Where was the hair disinfected? I am not aware of any Treblinka map which shows the facility necessary for disinfecting large amounts of hairs (or clothes for that matter). Could it be because it was located in Camp II were only the gas chambers, mass graves, roasts and worker barracks were supposed to be?

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:27 pm)

11. German devils in the "tube"

According to Grossman, the Germans switched their tactic from deception to "senseless and inexplicable" violence once the victims entered the "tube":

The Germans called it "the road from which there is no return."
Smirking and grimacing, a fiend in human shape whose name was Suckhomil, ran alongside shouting in deliberately distorted German:
"Now then, lads, faster, faster! Your bath water is cooling. Schneller, Kinder, schneller!"
And bursting into loud guffaws the creature danced in a frenzy of delight. The victims moved on in silence with upraised arms between the two rows of guards, who beat them with rifle butts and rubber truncheons as they went by. Children ran to keep up with the grown-ups.
The brutality of one of the fiends, an SS man called Zepf, especially impressed itself on all who witnessed this mournful procession. Zepf specialized in childkilling. Endowed with unusual physical strength, this creature would suddenly snatch up a child from the ranks and either dash out his brains by flinging him
against the ground or tear him in two. When I heard about this creature who had evidently been born of a woman I could not believe the unimaginable and incredible things that were told of him. But when these stories were repeated to me by people who had seen with their own eyes, I believed and I realized that what they had seen was merely one of the details that fitted perfectly into the whole gruesome picture of Treblinka.
(p.20)

:roll:

12. The gas chamber building

Before them stood a handsome stone building decorated with wooden fretwork and built in the style of an ancient temple. Five broad concrete steps led up to a low, massive and handsomely decorated door. Flowers grew at the entrance. For the rest, however, chaos reigned. There were mountains of fresh earth everywhere. A huge excavator clanked and rattled as it dug up tons of yellow sandy soil with its steel jaws,raising a cloud of dust that blotted out the sun. The roar of the machine digging huge graves from morning
till night mingled with the savage barking of dozens of Alsatian dogs.
On either side of the temple of death ran narrow-gauge lines over which men in loose overalls pushed small self-dumping waggonettes.
(p.21)

Having thousands of people climbing a stair on the way to the gas chambers does not jive very well with the German efficiency Grossman stresses elsewhere.

13. Kurt Franz and "Bari"

According to Grossman, Kurt Franz oversaw the gassings accompanied with his dog, whose name Grossman gives as "Bari". Grossman takes the chance to put in some anti-Vatican propaganda:

At that moment Kurt Franz, one of the Treblinka commandants, would appear, leading his dog Bari on a leash. Bari had been trained by his master to tear out the victims' sex organs. Kurt Franz had made quite a career for himself in the camp. Beginning as a junior
non-commissioned SS officer, he had been promoted to the fairly high rank of an Untersturrnfuhrer. This tall, skinny thirty-five-year-old SS man not only displayed organizing abilities, not only loved his work and imagined no occupation for which he was better suited than the supervision of Treblinka, but, in addition to all this, he was something of a theoretician and loved to generalize and explain the meaning and significance of his work. It would have been a good thing if during these terrible moments the Pope and Mr. Brailsford and all the other humane defenders of Hitlerism had come to the gas chambers in the capacity of spectators, of course. They would have been able to add new arguments to their humanitarian preachings, books and articles. Incidentally, the Holy Father, who so benignly kept silent while Himmler was committing
his atrocities against mankind, would have been able to calculate the number of batches in which the Germans could have put his whole Vatican through Treblinka.
(p.21)

14. Communist Grossman goes on an absurdist tear jerking spree

I was shaken to the very depth of my being by the stories of how the living corpses of Treblinka up to the last minute preserved their human souls although they had lost everything else, how women tried to save their sons and for their sake accomplished feats of hopeless bravery, how young mothers tried to shield their infants with their bodies. No one knows and no one will ever know the names of these mothers. There are stories of little girls of ten who with divine wisdom comforted their sobbing mothers, of a little boy who on entering the gas chamber shouted: "The Russians will avenge us, mama, don't cry!":roll: No one knows and no one will ever know the names of these children. We were told about dozens of doomed people who fought one against a legion of SS men armed with automatic weapons and grenades, and died standing up, their breasts riddled with bullets.:roll: We were told about the young man who stabbed an SS officer, about the lad who had taken part in the mutiny in the Warsaw ghetto' and who by some miracle had managed to hide a grenade from the Germans and flung it into a group of executioners at the last moment.:roll: We heard about the battle that lasted all of one night between a group of the condemned and detachments of guards and SS men. The shooting and grenade explosions went on all through the night and when the sun rose the next morning the whole square was covered with the bodies of the fighters. Beside them lay their weapons - palings wrenched out of the fence, a knife, a razor.:roll::roll::roll: Never on this earth now will the names of these fallen fighters be known. We heard about the tall girl who tore a rifle out of the hands of a guard on the "road from which there is no return," and fought against dozens of SS men. Two beasts were killed in that fight, and a third lost his arm. :roll: :roll: :roll: Terrible were the tortures to which this brave girl was subjected before she was finally put to death. She too, is nameless.
(p.21-22)

Some real propaganda whoppers XL here. How could a naked guy hide a hand grenade? How could a group of ghetto Jews armed with knifes, razors and palings fight a whole night against dozens of guards armed with rifles and even heavier weapons? They wouldn't last even a minute, since the guard towers surrounding Camp II supposedly had machine guns installed in them. The story of the girl (who is referred to later on the same page as "the naked girl who, like some ancient Greek goddess, fought alone against dozens")is equally ridiculous.

Some bonus nonse from the same page:

Inhabitants of the village of Wulka, the settlement nearesr Treblinka, say that sometimes the shrieks of the women who were being murdered were so terrible that the whole village would run for miles into the forest to get away from the piercing maddening cries that rent the air. Presently the screaming would subside only to break out again as terrible and soul-tearing as before .... And this was repeated three and four times a day.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:42 pm)

15. The Gas Chambers revisited

Grossman now goes further into the layout of the gas chamber buildings, as well as providing some new absurd methods of mass murder:

And like any industrial enterprise, Treblinka did not always work as efficiently as has been described above. It developed gradually as new equipment and new rationalization methods were introduced. In the beginning there were three small gas chambers. While
these were under construction several trainloads of victims arrived and the killing was done with axes, hammers and truncheons instead of fire-arms. This was done to prevent the surrounding population from suspecting the nature of the work at Treblinka. The first three [b]concrete chambers were 5x5 metres in size, i.e., they had an area of 25 sq.m. each. The height was 190 cm. Each chamber had two doors, one to admit the living, the other to serve as an exit for the gassed corpses. This second door was very wide - approximately two and a half metres. The three chambers were erected on one foundation.
These three chambers did not have the capacity Berlin demanded. It was then that the construction of the building described above was begun. Treblinka officials took pride in the fact that their gas chambers surpassed those of all the other Gestapo death factories in Majdanek, Sobibor and Belzec for capacity and production floor space.
(p.22)

Grossman on the second gas chamber building:

The new gas chambers, of which there were ten in all, were built symmetrically on the two sides of a wide concrete-floored corridor. Like the old three, they each had two doors, one from the corridor for the live victims, and another in the opposite wall to provide an outlet for the corpses. The latter led to platforms running on both sides of the building. Narrow-gauge tracks led up to the platforms. The corpses were first dumped onto the platforms and then loaded into waggonettes to be carried to the huge burial pits the excavators dug day and night. The floor of the gas chambers was laid at an incline toward the platforms to make it easier and faster to drag out the corpses. This was a substantial improvement over the old chambers where the corpses had to be carried out on stretchers or dragged out with straps.
Each new gas chamber was seven metres wide and eight long, 56 sq.m. in all. The area of all the new chambers totalled 560 sq.m. and the three old chambers, which continued to operate when there were smaller groups to be wiped out, brought the total
lethal floor space of the Treblinka death factory up to 635 sq.m. From 400 to 600 were herded into each gas chamber at a time, which means that working at capacity the ten new chambers destroyed 4,000 to 6,000 lives at once.
(p.22-3)

Grossman on the daily and monthly capacity and repeats the 3 million figure:

At average operations pace the lethal chambers of the Treblinka hell were filled at least two to three times a day (there were days when they were filled as many as six times). At the lowest estimate, two loadings a day of the new chambers alone meant the
destruction of some 10,000 persons daily or some 300,000 every month. Treblinka was in operation every day for thirteen months. If however, we allow ninety days for stoppage, repairs and hitches in the delivery of the victims, it still leaves ten months of continuous operation. If the average number of victims a month was 300,000, in ten months Treblinka destroyed three million lives. Again we have the same fearful figure: three million; the first time we arrived at it through a deliberately low estimate of the number of victims brought in by train.
(p.23)

16. The time required for the gassing (or vaccuming, or steaming) procedure

To snuff out life ten to twenty-five minutes were required. In the early period after the starting of the new chambers, when the executioners had not yet established the efficiency peak and were still experimenting, the victims were subjected to fearful torture lasting for two and three hours before life left their tormented bodies. During the very first days the intake and outlet installations worked badly and the victims
writhed in agony for anything up to eight or ten hours.
(p.23)

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:45 am)

Laurentz,

This is excellent work.

I hope you'll give us a summary of points, their significance and implications, for our readers who may be new and lack the background necessary to draw important conclusions.

Thanks, Hannover
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